Also, Joe too was a self-described Liberal who basically feels like the party moved so far left that he can't support many of their issues. He's also spoke on this topic many times. So yeah, it's easy to see why Joe would align more with someone like Trump and less with someone like Harris. We all have our biases and Joe absolutely would push back on trans/vaccines with Harris. And in his defense, he tried to push back on Trump when it came to climate, he just didn't push as hard as he probably should've. When he mentioned RFK and how he differs with Trump on different topics, Trump basically said "yeah, stick to health and do what you want but stay out of everything else" and Joe just sort of left that alone even though he knows RFK is a huge climate guy and will likely butt heads in the administration when it comes to climate policy.