Post Game Observations Oklahoma State

[AKRowdy]

Lol. If you don’t see, then shame on you.

Shame on me then lol. Bigger tragedies in life.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

His w/l record does. His ability to lose vs lesser talent relates.

You should probably call it a day, and enjoy your therapist's couch this week.

 

[Irish2155]

I don’t want any comparison. A comparison of a coach who has 1 game under his belt vs a top 10 team, And a coach who had a 5 year body of work makes zero sense. A 2nd grader could see that.

Hope I’m wrong. But this is clear, to me anyways.

These aren’t games that were used to loosing. But here we are, again

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Fair enough. What comparison/opinion would you like? I think Weis is appropriate given what we just watched

Let's draw a comparison when Freeman has been here for 5 years. Make sense? Because comparing 5 years vs 5 weeks is dog shit.

 

[NDisme]

Hope I’m wrong. But this is clear, to me anyways.

These aren’t games that were used to loosing. But here we are, again

right I would have rather it have been 2017 Miami and just gotten smacked from the jump

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Let's draw a comparison when Freeman has been here for 5 years. Make sense? Because comparing 5 years vs 5 weeks is dog shit.

Not only was it Freeman’s first game as a HC but also Elston hadn’t called the plays on D since 2016 (which also took some focus away from his DL duties). Some of the staff are likely gone (Alexander, Quinn, etc.) as well. I’m as disappointed as anyone with the game result but as you say, let’s give some time for the pieces to fall into place before we go into full “shit the bed” mode.

 

[irish o'phile]

Maybe this ends up being a net positive someday in that it motivates Freeman to bring in a defensive coordinator that he knows/trusts to call the game a. Different way. If ND skated by in a close game today, they may have gone the wrong direction with defensive coordinator and never corrected a core issue.

Some different support staff can go a long way.

The O-line, which was my main concern. Gave Coan a ton of time and the future looks super bright to me.

 

[ulukinatme]

Brian Kelly wins this game

That dude bailed. Thanks for making the program better, but now...fuck 'em.

 

[ulukinatme]

He did. I would be interested in seeing him at left guard. That side could be devastating.

GoldenToTheGrave already pointed out he's better served at Tackle, but Fisher was also the highest graded offensive player today along with Styles...and that's with missing the entire year after only playing a series against Florida State. The mayor is a phenom.

 

[SBirishlawyer]

GoldenToTheGrave already pointed out he's better served at Tackle, but Fisher was also the highest graded offensive player today along with Styles...and that's with missing the entire year after only playing a series against Florida State. The mayor is a phenom.

Yeah you probably let the Mayor play wherever he wants to play and then fill in from there.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I know no one wants to hear this optimism. I truly think a close loss like this can springboard ND forward more than a blowout ISU type of win. The reason I say this is because I think Freeman is the kind of guy that's pissed off for greatness. He's going to be a man on fire for the next 9 months

If Kelly loses this game,he blames someone else then goes golfing tomorrow.

Freeman will close the talent gap and will find his stride in sideline management.
The future is bright.

Yes,I wanted to win. But in the playoff era with kids sitting out, I think there's something lost here.the game matters still, I think.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I know no one wants to hear this optimism. I truly think a close loss like this can springboard ND forward more than a blowout ISU type of win. The reason I say this is because I think Freeman is the kind of guy that's pissed off for greatness. He's going to be a man on fire for the next 9 months

If Kelly loses this game,he blames someone else then goes golfing tomorrow.

Freeman will close the talent gap and will find his stride in sideline management.
The future is bright.

Yes,I wanted to win. But in the playoff era with kids sitting out, I think there's something lost here.the game matters still, I think.

I wanted to hear it, and legitimately feel bad for MF.

He trusted his coordinators to do their job, and one did not.

He will learn, he will lead.

MF strikes me as someone who has the pride, without the ego. If something is broken, I doubt he will bring in another yes man to fix it.


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[T-Boone]

Yeah you probably let the Mayor play wherever he wants to play and then fill in from there.

yeah totally agree. I am just thinking why cant we have two of him.

 

[chicago51]

More of an observation about the defense for the season than just this game.

The secondary was never that good. LBs were good gap fillers but never that good in space. What did the defense have going for it? A good d-line.

The d-line hid a lot of problems. However FSU, VT, Toledo, NC, OkSt the defense had problems. Why? It's not like OkSt had better offense than Cinci (only scored 14 points really against the defense) or even Purdue. It's because they had mobile QB.

Against mobile QBs you have to really be disciplined how you rush the QB unless you have a LB that just run down and get that QB every time he takes off. Well being extra disciplined slows your pass rush down, it just does. It leads to our secondary which I would argue was never good getting exposed having to cover longer.

Also even if you spy. You are forced to play a lot of zone, or run man with 1 high safety, 4 man rush, 1 spy type of defense. It makes your coverages kind of predictable.

So at the end of the day rather it's through recruiting or better player development ND needs to be better in the secondary or/and get faster LBs. OR find a way to still get pressure without giving up the scramble.

We can cry about not making adjustments. There's only so many coverages you can run folks. From what I saw ND played man they played different zone coverages, the secondary wasn't good enough. Maybe they could have played Ryan Barns (Tariq Bracy was already on the field in nickel a lot of the game).

Honestly maybe they should have cut the d-line lose (forget rush discipline just get back there) and made Spencer Sanders rush for 200 yards and just hope he ran out of gas or gets popped / gets hurt on a run.

But mobile QBs that we couldn't just cut our pass rush lose on were any issue all season, even if it was a bad offense.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Maybe this ends up being a net positive someday in that it motivates Freeman to bring in a defensive coordinator that he knows/trusts to call the game a. Different way. If ND skated by in a close game today, they may have gone the wrong direction with defensive coordinator and never corrected a core issue.

Some different support staff can go a long way.

The O-line, which was my main concern. Gave Coan a ton of time and the future looks super bright to me.

Sometimes you need an explosive diarrhea performance to make changes.

 

[IrishTusker]

Absolutely, I was on Martha’s Vineyard.

game won. Not pretty but another W. Today we got beat, after dominating for a half.

Im not here to bag on Coach Freeman, at all. But today just can’t ever, ever happen. If you can’t agree with that, then fuck off

Yes, it was a bad loss, but Kelly had 11 years to win a NY6 game. Good grief.

 

[Irishize]

More of an observation about the defense for the season than just this game.

The secondary was never that good. LBs were good gap fillers but never that good in space. What did the defense have going for it? A good d-line.

The d-line hid a lot of problems. However FSU, VT, Toledo, NC, OkSt the defense had problems. Why? It's not like OkSt had better offense than Cinci (only scored 14 points really against the defense) or even Purdue. Because they had mobile QB.

Against mobile QBs you have to really be disciplined how you rush the QB unless you have a LB that just run down and get that QB every time he takes off. Well being extra disciplined slows your pass rush down, it just does. It leads to our secondary which I would argue was never good getting exposed having to cover longer.

Also even if you spy. You are forced to play a lot of zone, or run man with 1 high safety, 4 man rush, 1 spy type of defense. It makes your coverages kind of predictable. If you dedicate a LB to spy it makes your coverage more presidictable.

So at the end of the day rather it's through recruiting or better player development ND needs better in the secondary or/and get faster LBs. OR find a way to still get pressure without giving up the scramble.

We can cry about not making adjustments. There's only so many coverages you can run. From what I saw ND played man they played ran different zone coverages, the secondary wasn't good enough. Maybe they could have played Ryan Barns (Bracy was already on the field in nickel a lot of the game).

Honestly maybe they should have cut the d-line lose (forget rush discipline just get back there) and made Spencer Sanders rush for 200 yards and just hope he ran out of gas or gets popped / gets hurt on a run.

But mobile QBs that we couldn't just cut lose on were any issue all season, even if it was a bad offense.

Well said. Jamie at ISD basically echoes this in his instant analysis. ND needs athletic LBs and a solid secondary. They had neither & OSU made them pay. I hope Liafau (sp?) can return 100% next year b/c they’re going to need him. Bertrand/Kiser/White/Bauer are not equipped to be elite. That back 8 had zero PBUs despite all the attempts by Sanders. That’s not good.

 

[CoachB]

Just like all the rest, the lack of adjustments is concerning. Maybe we can get some notes from Clark "Mr. Adjustment" Lea on those. My positive takeaway is the pass pro was great considering we were playing the nation's sack leaders.

 

[BeatSC]

No, he doesn’t, unless what you’re implying is they the defense would’ve been better with a real DC.

Zero percent chance that Kelly allows Rees to put in that genius first half gameplan. Zero percent chance that a Kelly offense puts up 600 yards on a top defense. Kelly probably loses that game 31-14.

Zero percent chance Kelly makes zero adjustments at halftime and watches this happen. Has Kelly ever shit the bed this bad at ND or even anywhere?

 

[Irishbounty28]

Zero percent chance Kelly makes zero adjustments at halftime and watches this happen. Has Kelly ever shit the bed this bad at ND or even anywhere?

Does everyone on this board suffer from dementia or something? How can no one remember all of the games Kelly “shit the bed” in? I have a news flash, Kelly was a great coach, but he had some real blunder games as well. Most happened on this, or a bigger stage. Some were Miami/Michigan games where the team wasn’t even prepared, or competitive.

Newsflash, Alabama has lost games where the other team made better halftime adjustments as well. The sky isn’t falling!

 

[Bluto]

Zero percent chance Kelly makes zero adjustments at halftime and watches this happen. Has Kelly ever shit the bed this bad at ND or even anywhere?

Michigan 2011. Stanford 2015. Texas 2016. Duke 2016. Michigan 2019. Miami 2017. Northwestern 2014. Navy 2010. Tulsa 2010. South Florida 2011.

The two Michigan loses were as bad/worse than this.

This was bad and raises red flags for Freeman but Kelly had all kinds of mind numbingly bad loses over the years on a pretty consistent basis.

 

[andre784]

Maybe this ends up being a net positive someday in that it motivates Freeman to bring in a defensive coordinator that he knows/trusts to call the game a. Different way. If ND skated by in a close game today, they may have gone the wrong direction with defensive coordinator and never corrected a core issue.

Well it seems like a genius move getting James Laurinaitis on board as soon as he did after what we saw today. Hiestand is a better coach and developer at OL than Quinn so its not hard to imagine if they go back to Hiestand the OL will play with more dominance.

 

[NorthDakota]

Michigan 2011. Stanford 2015. Texas 2016. Duke 2016. Michigan 2019. Miami 2017. Northwestern 2014. Navy 2010. Tulsa 2010. South Florida 2011.

The two Michigan loses were as bad/worse than this.

This was bad and raises red flags for Freeman but Kelly had all kinds of mind numbingly bad loses over the years on a pretty consistent basis.

This is embarrassing for game #1 but I'm not gonna hang Freeman. I'm pretty sure it takes a year or two for a coach to make his mark.

Had Kelly coached today, I believe ND wins. But Freeman didn't get hired to win today. He got hired to win games the next decade. Further, if Hamilton played, we win this going away. That's no excuse though for letting Lewis get torched by their only weapon all day..

Idk why they didn't give Buchner a series... the offense completely broke in the second half. There was nothing to lose letting him play.

Hopefully today is a wakeup call for MFMF that A) we need better players in the secondary, and B) we need to do better at making adjustments.

 

[Bluto]

This is embarrassing for game #1 but I'm not gonna hang Freeman. I'm pretty sure it takes a year or two for a coach to make his mark.

Had Kelly coached today, I believe ND wins. But Freeman didn't get hired to win today. He got hired to win games the next decade. Further, if Hamilton played, we win this going away. That's no excuse though for letting Lewis get torched by their only weapon all day..

Idk why they didn't give Buchner a series... the offense completely broke in the second half. There was nothing to lose letting him play.

Hopefully today is a wakeup call for MFMF that A) we need better players in the secondary, and B) we need to do better at making adjustments.

Those are all good points. Outside of 2012 in Kelly’s first 7 years he had at least one and sometimes multiple games that reached this level of bad. He got really lucky in that 2012 Pitt game too.

 

[irishtrain]

Poor coaching plain and simple to the point-run the ball with a 3 td lead in first half know your opponent is a point scoring jessy of a coach and keep the ball from his offense-poor management and he knows it. My eyes told me for the first time in a NYS 6 game Notre Dame was the better team-but he played right into Gundy's hand.

 

[MacIrish75]

Slept on it. Woke up. Still can’t fully articulate how I feel about what I witnessed yesterday in that game. Such bliss to such agony. You want to run the gamut of emotions contained in the ND Football experience? Peep that game thread.

I’ve got a lot of thoughts, but honestly moving forward I feel like it should give Freeman some solid foundation for the directions he needs to go with the team. We definitely saw some strengths that we can bank on, as well as a lot of glaring weaknesses that need addressed. Now it’s just incumbent upon him to fix them. I believe he is motivated and will work tirelessly to do so.

Cheers, boys. What a ride it’s been over the last 6-7 weeks.

 

[irishff1014]

I know no one wants to hear this optimism. I truly think a close loss like this can springboard ND forward more than a blowout ISU type of win. The reason I say this is because I think Freeman is the kind of guy that's pissed off for greatness. He's going to be a man on fire for the next 9 months

If Kelly loses this game,he blames someone else then goes golfing tomorrow.

Freeman will close the talent gap and will find his stride in sideline management.
The future is bright.

Yes,I wanted to win. But in the playoff era with kids sitting out, I think there's something lost here.the game matters still, I think.

At no point yesterday did he look pissed off.

 

[MacIrish75]

At no point yesterday did he look pissed off.

As much as I support MFMF, I absolutely agree with this. I thought during the second half he looked a lot like I looked the first time my wife left me home alone with all four of our kids.

 

[chicago51]

Since we're throwing blame around can we throw a bit Matt Balis way? We looked out of shape for a 60 minute game.

I've been thinking about lack of adjustments . Honestly they tried folks. They tried zone, they tried man to man, they tried dropping 7, they tried sending pressure. There's a good amount of window dressing but there's only so many ways to play defense in the end, ND tried them.

Only adjustment they could have tried is personel adjustments. Clarence Lewis is good young man.
He's not a lockdown corner but he's better than what he showed yesterday. He lost confidence in himself. I've seen this happen to DBs as a coach, and to myself when I was a very bad high school DB. When a player goes mentally like that, it's almost impossible to get them back.

You can try Cam Hart on their best WR. But Cam was already playing boundary corner where you typically put your best corner. I can tell that Clarence has trouble in the boundary yesterday even on 2nd best WR. You can try Ryan Barns in the spot I suppose. He probably would have been better yesterday, how much though I'm not sure.

 

[chicago51]

Neither side of the ball made adjustments at halftime. That's unacceptable. OSU did and that's why the won. The defense total dogshit in the second half. The offense didn't help them at all. OSU tried to give the game back to ND by coughing up the ball twice at the end and the offense couldn't even get a first down either time. A few bright spots would be Styles, Mayer, Tyree, and Foskey. Alt and Fisher too. I'd love to say Coan was a bright spot but as great as he looked in the first half he looked equally as bad in the second. We need a DC and QB coach.

Oh they did adjust defensively . They played mostly zone early. Later they tried man to man. They tried more nickel personnel. They sent a lot of pressure at times this game, other times they tried dropping 7 and playing coverage. It wasn't working.