Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[Irish Insanity]

Which ref threw the flag? The back judge?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Flipside of USC '05. Bush Push was a no call because it was an obscure infraction that happened on a game-deciding play. Refs were correct not to call it, and Weis said as much after the game. Refs should have done the same here. But after at least a dozen blatant holds by FSU's OL go uncalled, they suddenly reverse course and decide the game on a ticky-tack call that negated what was the game-winning TD. Atrocious officiating.

"Hardly ever called" is for whiners. It was a penalty, and if you get caught, you get caught.

Your contrarian shtick wears thin.

 

[ACamp1900]

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This was literally me, I thought complete personally rocking games were done after 2011... I might need a lawyer after tonight...

 

[Wild Bill]

Tell me again how its a call on Prosise. Ramsey grabs the back of Prosise.

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He grabs his inside shoulder too.

 

[Riddickulous]

Why did we get away from the running game? We ran for 114 yards in the first half compared to 43 in the second. Frustrating.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Which ref threw the flag? The back judge?

Seriously...seemed like kind of a late flag if anything i couldnt see who threw it. Complete BS. Defender engaged first and pulled s jersey. You cant make some shit call like that to determine a game

 

[Grahambo]

He grabs his inside shoulder too.

FSU had busted coverage. They didn't even attempt to fight through like they're supposed to. Its an obviously terrible call.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Also this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>To the FSU fan who threw a cup of liquor at my brother in a wheelchair and his 5 year old daughter I hope to see you one day...</p>— Devin Butler (@DevinButler_12) <a href="https://twitter.com/DevinButler_12/status/523694157404332034">October 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm still just shocked that such garbage could happen.

 

[BobD]

I'd rather make the argument that we should have never been in the situation where we were playing catch up. We held the lead most of the game. If we could have kept them outta the end zone one more time, that last play doesn't matter. We put ourselves in that position.

 

[IrishMoore1]

I'm sorry but I don't see how ND makes it in the playoff even if they win out. We drop to 8-10 after this loss. Plus a bye week, so we might drop again. Plus SEC bias, any one of those one-loss teams could easily be ranked ahead of ND.

Our quality win over Stanford is looking less impressive. ASU could be an impressive win, but again compared to any other one-loss SEC team, the polls are biased toward the SEC.

Shameful that this win was stolen from ND.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Seriously...seemed like kind of a late flag if anything i couldnt see who threw it. Complete BS. Defender engaged first and pulled s jersey. You cant make some shit call like that to determine a game

The other thing here is, who was it called on? I was listening to the audio and it sounds like it was on 7, not 20. Fuller isn't the block everyone is discussing.

 

[kmoose]

Flipside of USC '05. Bush Push was a no call because it was an obscure infraction that happened on a game-deciding play. Refs were correct not to call it, and Weis said as much after the game. Refs should have done the same here. But after at least a dozen blatant holds by FSU's OL go uncalled, they suddenly reverse course and decide the game on a ticky-tack call that negated what was the game-winning TD. Atrocious officiating.



Your contrarian shtick wears thin.

Then don't read it. Since when is it "contrarian shtick" to tell people not to whine and blame others? Especially if there is a good chance that they are wrong in their convictions that they have been wronged. Look, I get that no one wants to blame our players or coaches for a loss. But the bottom line is that all of those players and coaches are fallible. They make mistakes. It's not blasphemy to say so.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Herbstreit did more to sell that penalty than a hundred replays. It reminds me of the clip on the Rocket punt return for a TD vs Colorado in the Orange Bowl. If no flag is thrown, nobody complains. If a flag is thrown, it has to be pointed out & explained in detail.

 

[JT_IRISH]

We proved we can ball to the rest of the country. Best news is that there will be a lot more games like this under BK. Championship deciding games. We are way beyond schedule but close...

 

[Wild Bill]

Why did we get away from the running game? We ran for 114 yards in the first half compared to 43 in the second. Frustrating.

Yes, we were running downhill. I think they were a bit surprised, given our first half success, we didn't try to cram it down their throat.

It's tough to make that call during the game. If you're kelly, and winston comes out smoking hot, and then golson comes out and answers, it's hard to stay discipline and commit to the run.

 

[Junkhead]

By the time Fuller begins to run his 'slant', the ball is practically out of Golson's hand. Darby even puts his hands on Fuller to stop him. Look at the defender on Prosise, he immediately attacks him and doesn't attempt to disengage and even yanks Prosise. You can see Prosise's jersey being pulled.

It's a horseshit call.

4Q ND NOTRE DAME penalty, Offensive Pass Interference (NA) - ESPN Video - ESPN

Wow. After watching that video, it is a COMPLETE SHIT CALL. Well done refs.

 

[IrishYYC]

We just went toe to toe with the defending National Champions who have now won 23 straight games and did it in their house.

I'm proud of this team.

The penalty was awful. I watched the replay many times now and it looks like the FSU DB was holding onto Procise not the other way around. I know live it probably looked like Procise was blocking the DB but man that's a tough call to lose a game on. The DB turned around and started whining to the back judge which in turn made him throw the flag.

Regardless, ND showed everyone tonight that they're for real. Win out and they're in the playoffs.
How great would a rematch be against the Criminoles on a neutral site this time?

WeAreND

 

[dang227]

Great heart shown tonight. Tough tough place to play.

Winston is worse than toilet scum, but he's Heisman winner for a reason. With time, he finds someone; when blitzed, he knows who's open because of the blitz. And he doesn't make many even slightly inaccurate passes.

Related to this last point, VanGorder did what he could with a young defense, and needed a great effort by the DLine to do it, and he got it, and still Winston was just good enough.

Folston ran great. He appears to be taking the lead role, though I still want Bryant to get some action.

Robinson is going to be the great WR I've felt he would be ever since he drew that PI against Michigant State last year. Great instincts and developing the physical skills to be fantastic.

Generally, excellent work by the O Line.

I thought Golson played well, but I think he went down earlier than he needed to on the last-drive run to the eight yard line. He could have gotten to the five or closer. I think fumblelitis was on his mind and he wanted to protect the ball, but I would have liked the yards. It would change the subsequent play calls.

I also didn't care for the next play -- the pass in the flat to Prosise for a loss.

Still, they gave it their best on a pressure drive, in hostile circumstances, with young players. I don't know if that was the right call or not -- I defer to those with better knowledge of the rules than me -- but you don't see that called very often, that I know. Also, I don't know if it is still pass interference if the block has no effect on the play, because Robinson was getting pass because no one was covering him. Prosise didn't block the back covering Robinson. There was no back covering Robinson. The guy Prosise blocked was holding Prosise at the beginning of the play.

A lot of composure by young guys. Extremely proud of them. Extremely proud to be a fan. Kelly is showing that he really is elite.

Agree in Golson's late run. Thought he could have at least made it to the 5. Shame he was worried about fumbling.


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[Whiskeyjack]

I'd rather make the argument that we should have never been in the situation where we were playing catch up. We held the lead most of the game. If we could have kept them outta the end zone one more time, that last play doesn't matter. We put ourselves in that position.

C'mon, Bob. We deserved to win that fvcking game. FSU is arguably the most talented team in the country, and we lead them for most of regulation, only be robbed of victory by a bullsh!t call.

Self-flagellate if you want, but don't expect others to praise it as a virtue here. We got jobbed.

 

[Wild Bill]

Then don't read it. Since when is it "contrarian shtick" to tell people not to whine and blame others? Especially if there is a good chance that they are wrong in their convictions that they have been wronged. Look, I get that no one wants to blame our players or coaches for a loss. But the bottom line is that all of those players and coaches are fallible. They make mistakes. It's not blasphemy to say so.

It's hard not to read when you're calling people whiners b/c they disagree with your incorrect assessment of the play.

 

[pkt77242]

FSU had busted coverage. They didn't even attempt to fight through like they're supposed to. Its an obviously terrible call.

What does that have to do with it being a penalty?

I think it could have been called either way, Fuller did seem to block a little (CJ not really) and it probably shouldn't be called at the end of the game but "they didn't even attempt to fight through like they're supposed to" has nothing to do with it.

 

[dang227]

No way. @ObserverSports has a very good look from the other side that ABC never gave. https://t.co/UndMMqbg6S via @vine


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[ickythump1225]

Then don't read it. Since when is it "contrarian shtick" to tell people not to whine and blame others? Especially if there is a good chance that they are wrong in their convictions that they have been wronged. Look, I get that no one wants to blame our players or coaches for a loss. But the bottom line is that all of those players and coaches are fallible. They make mistakes. It's not blasphemy to say so.

Go watch some replays and tell me that was PI. Bulls**t. You probably haven't watched a single replay you're so busy riding in on your high horse to scold people are pissed off. This a ND fan forum. Fan is short for fanatic, even if I truly believed that call was correct I would never argue with our fans for being pissed about it. This is supposed to be a haven for ND fans to share the highs, and commiserate the lows together. It's so annoying and sickening to have a bunch of self righteous types come in here and defend the refs/FSU just to try to be "rational" and "unbiased." If I cared to read about and listen to a herd of people blindly defend the refs I'd watch ESPN or go to their website.

 

[nlroma1o]

Gentlemen... That was the most outrageous officiating call I have ever seen in my life.... And with that... I am done.... I am done with college football... The college game is flawed... Its a fucking joke that they ARE STILL FUKING USING CONFERENCE OFFICIALS!!!! THIS VERSION OF THE SPORT IS COMPLETELY CORRUPT!!!!! This is a fukin carbon copy of the shyte that happens in match fixing scandals!!!

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Go watch some replays and tell me that was PI. Bulls**t. You probably haven't watched a single replay you're so busy riding in on your high horse to scold people are pissed off. This a ND fan forum. Fan is short for fanatic, even if I truly believed that call was correct I would never argue with our fans for being pissed about it. This is supposed to be a haven for ND fans to share the highs, and commiserate the lows together. It's so annoying and sickening to have a bunch of self righteous types come in here and defend the refs/FSU just to try to be "rational" and "unbiased." If I cared to read about and listen to a herd of people blindly defend the refs I'd watch ESPN or go to their website.

A lot of reasonable assumptions in here.

 

[Grahambo]

The other thing here is, who was it called on? I was listening to the audio and it sounds like it was on 7, not 20. Fuller isn't the block everyone is discussing.

It doesn't even matter because neither committed a penalty. But it was called on CJ.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Especially if there is a good chance that they are wrong in their convictions that they have been wronged.

I've read some pretty solid analysis here regarding why it was a bad call, contrasted against naked assertion from 2-3 people that, "it was the right call." Followed by your finger-wagging admonition that it's "unmanly" to question such a call.

We just lost the biggest game of our season on a very questionable call. It's perfectly natural for us to feel wronged, and analyze the propriety of the call.

 

[Wild Bill]

Gentlemen... That was the most outrageous officiating call I have ever seen in my life.... And with that... I am done.... I am done with college football... The college game is flawed... Its a fucking joke that they ARE STILL FUKING USING CONFERENCE OFFICIALS!!!! THIS VERSION OF THE SPORT IS COMPLETELY CORRUPT!!!!! This is a fukin carbon copy of the shyte that happens in match fixing scandals!!!

I don't have any other hobbies, though.

 

[Irish Insanity]

It doesn't even matter because neither committed a penalty. But it was called on CJ.

I was asking because everyone seems to be picking apart CJ on the play when I'm fairly certain they listed Fuller. Neither may have been, but if you're going to defend something, it would be best to have it right.