'14 WI DT Craig Evans (Michigan State Verbal)

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Why isn't ND on this guy?

No thanks. It's one thing to commit to a school and change your mind and then commit to a different school (our roster is littered with guys who have done that). But to commit to a school, then decommit, then recommit to the same school, and STILL want to take visits, and we're still 8 months from NSD???

I haven't even followed the kid closely, but there are too many red flags to even consider him IMO. These guys just don't usually make it at ND...
 

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Is there a three-star or better recruit in the entire country that Alabama hasn't offered?

I been saying this for a long time, its outrageous how they offer everybody no matter what. No other team offers so many scholarships, not even close. I think there should be a limit of scholarships offered.
 

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I been saying this for a long time, its outrageous how they offer everybody no matter what. No other team offers so many scholarships, not even close. I think there should be a limit of scholarships offered.

The Bama offer is simply to put a little heat on Carter and a few others who are their primary targets. I would be shocked of Saban takes this guy in the end. The old saying "if you're shopping so are we" applies here.
 

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The Bama offer is simply to put a little heat on Carter and a few others who are their primary targets. I would be shocked of Saban takes this guy in the end. The old saying "if you're shopping so are we" applies here.

That's not the point because i do not care for what purpose he offers a kid, anyway is good to know that he uses a kid to make some pressure on other targets.

The "no committable" offer is just stupid. And i am saying this in general, not in any particular case.
 

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That's not the point because i do not care for what purpose he offers a kid, anyway is good to know that he uses a kid to make some pressure on other targets.

The "no committable" offer is just stupid. And i am saying this in general, not in any particular case.

But it happens all the time at most every school. We can't expect any coach to wait on a kid to decide. I believe most high school players know where they want to go fairly early and play the recruiting game up. I don't blame them as they should enjoy the moment. But I also don't blame a coach for moving on either. It is a two way street at the end of the day.... whether we like it or not. Thanks.
 

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Yeah, that happens. But its weird when he already has two DT's committed and leading for another one. Is not enough pressure have two DTs committed? Looks like the next is to put a gun on Elam's neck.

I understand the coaches have to play his cards and i understand when a coach try to make some pressure for an early commitment or things like that, but i will never understand how a coach can offer so many scholarships when he is always hurried with the 85 scholarship limit.

And the no committable offers is the best way to use a kid for our your own advantage. A no committable offer and no offer is the same.
 

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No thanks. It's one thing to commit to a school and change your mind and then commit to a different school (our roster is littered with guys who have done that). But to commit to a school, then decommit, then recommit to the same school, and STILL want to take visits, and we're still 8 months from NSD???

I haven't even followed the kid closely, but there are too many red flags to even consider him IMO. These guys just don't usually make it at ND...

I pretty much agree with your post, but don't forget he de-committed the first time due to a major coaching change, which is reasonable. In this case, the new regime probably understood his recommitment wasn't solid but they pressured him into it to committing again to build some momentum for a class they were just starting to construct knowing he was going to look around. He's a big in-state kid for Wisky.

I think our staff has backed off for a reason, likely seeing the same (and more) red flags that some of us see.

The Bama offer is simply to put a little heat on Carter and a few others who are their primary targets. I would be shocked of Saban takes this guy in the end. The old saying "if you're shopping so are we" applies here.

So Bama offered a DT from Wisconsin to put pressure on their top JACK LB target? That makes sense.

I understand the coaches have to play his cards and i understand when a coach try to make some pressure for an early commitment or things like that, but i will never understand how a coach can offer so many scholarships when he is always hurried with the 85 scholarship limit.

It's very simple, Euro. In the same way we see so many players not honor their 'verbal' commitment, some college coaches will accept a verbal and then push the player out when bigger targets commit. Some even do it when a player is on scholarship. The polite term for this is roster management and Saban is the best roster manager in the world.

In June it's "You're a great fit for our program. I can develop you better than anyone for the NFL". In December, months after the player has committed and bigger targets have also signed up, it's "Son, I am not sure our school is the best option for you. It's probably best you start looking around".
 

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So Bama offered a DT from Wisconsin to put pressure on their top JACK LB target? That makes sense.

Much the same way Saban signs a DL the day after Elam left and didn't give him a commitment. I know the SEC gets 25 more scholarships every year than every other conference or team but there is only room for so many... even for Little Nicky. Call it roster management.... recruiting to your needs.... being a first class jerk.... it doesn't matter in the end. The road goes both ways in recruiting. And sometimes people forget that.
 

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I know the SEC gets 25 more scholarships every year than every other conference or team but there is only room for so many... even for Little Nicky.

Your sarcasm doesn't change the fact you approve of an unethical practice, therefore are unethical yourself.
 

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Your sarcasm doesn't change the fact you approve of an unethical practice, therefore are unethical yourself.

Really dude? That's like me saying you are unethical because your avatar promotes food that clogs arteries and causes heat attacks. Good grief.
 

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Really dude? That's like me saying you are unethical because your avatar promotes food that clogs arteries and causes heat attacks. Good grief.

I have relatives near Huntsville. Huntsville is an interesting town. The joke, "it's not rocket science," doesn't go over too well. Why? Because the city is known for jet/missile propulsion and defense contractor industry. The city has an incredibly high percentage of extremely smart, very well educated people.

You are obviously not one of those people from Huntsville.
 

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I have relatives near Huntsville. Huntsville is an interesting town. The joke, "it's not rocket science," doesn't go over too well. Why? Because the city is known for jet/missile propulsion and defense contractor industry. The city has an incredibly high percentage of extremely smart, very well educated people.

You are obviously not one of those people from Huntsville.

While that's an epic burn, I hope Tommy and you both take this interaction in a mellow/fun-loving stride, since I dig on both of your posts.

Lets let this sleeping dog lie, shall we?
 

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wooly the peace maker? Did you take sabbatical with pot smoking monks?
 

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While that's an epic burn, I hope Tommy and you both take this interaction in a mellow/fun-loving stride, since I dig on both of your posts.

Lets let this sleeping dog lie, shall we?

I like you. From here out, easy like Sunday morning for me.
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I like Tommy a lot. But there resides at the core of our difference some fundamental questions. Alabama does some things we find morally or otherwise defunct. To take issue with these discrepancies is to question Tommy, because the inference is that Tommy freely chooses to be a fan of what is known to him to be a morally defunct program (since ignorance is not a presumption).

I totally get the live and let live proposition, as it allows us to get together on things we agree about. And make no mistake, Tommy is probably the best non-Irish poster I can recall, but there is a discussion that is inevitable.

That being said, I'd rather engage Tommy on the subject than some random person from the T-bomb show.

Word of the thread: Questionable.
 

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I'm a little confused on giving Tommy/Bama crap for noncommittable offers and using other offers to pressure recruits, given that Kelly does the same thing...
 

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Sorry don't crucify me for this pointless bump but does anyone know anything about Wisconsin HS Football? My cousin is coaching at a school in Wisconsin and I would love to go and catch a game where I can watch a big recruit too.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>MT <a href="https://twitter.com/craigevans18">@craigevans18</a> (Former Wisconsin DL commit Craig Evans) I have officially committed to MSU <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23GoGreenGoWhite&src=hash">#GoGreenGoWhite</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/430499933540458497">February 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>MT <a href="https://twitter.com/craigevans18">@craigevans18</a> (Former Wisconsin DL commit Craig Evans) I have officially committed to MSU <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23GoGreenGoWhite&src=hash">#GoGreenGoWhite</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/430499933540458497">February 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Michigan State's Craig Evans, Montez Sweat leave team | theScore.com

Michigan State is down a pair of defensive linemen, as Craig Evans and Montez Sweat have left the team.

The Spartans confirmed the duo's departure, saying they're no longer members of the program because of personal reasons.

Evans recorded 21 tackles and one sack last season. Sweat didn't dent the stat sheet after Week 1, and ran into trouble off the field.
 
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