Post Game NC State (For Kmoose)

[ulukinatme]

Look at it from a coaching perspective. The coaches put together the game plan. The game plan called for 38 rushes, and only 26 pass attempts. I didn't get to see the game, but looking at the replays/highlights................. I can't believe that they played this game on that POS field. It should never have happened.

I agree, the field conditions were crazy. The announcers pointed out the same thing, a lot of teams moved their game to Sunday. BK said they would be available to play anytime from Saturday-noon Sunday. I'm curious why they didn't move it to Sunday tbh. If they expected to get the worst of it Saturday, and knowing that we rely a lot on speed and passing, you would think Sunday would have been the better alternative. According to the weather channel, rain is supposed to be out of Raleigh by 7am Sunday. I love a good rain game, but this was nothing like a good game. Both offenses were lucky to eek their FGs through the uprights, and the only TD came on a special teams blocked punt. The kicks came out like line drives because of the wind.

 

[irisheyes]

Who did Kelly throw under the bus today? Who did he criticize that didn't deserve to be?


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He threw mz under the bus on what ever game he played 2 plays. one which he was a receiver at the start of the game and got like 4 yards. All these losses are running together because of the drinking. He specifically mentioned mz in the post press, and said something like mz should of thrown the ball away and not taken the sack, youll never see that again.

 

[irishff1014]

Both teams played in this crap yet we are only making excuses for one. This was a horrible game and we didn't show up with an executable or realistic game plan.

I hope everyone gets the chance to see some highlights or actually watch the Washington game from today. Talk about a fundamentally sound football team that has an agenda to kick the other teams ass. It was a great thing to watch!

Yes it was.

 

[NDRock]

Look at it from a coaching perspective. The coaches put together the game plan. The game plan called for 38 rushes, and only 26 pass attempts. I didn't get to see the game, but looking at the replays/highlights................. I can't believe that they played this game on that POS field. It should never have happened.

No way that is correct. How many times did Kizer tuck it and run after a designed pass play? That counts as a run. I know that sacks are subtracted from rushing totals but I'm not positive if they are counted as a rushing attempt (think they do). We gave the ball to our RBs 20 times in a hurricane.

If your totals are correct, I'd say the real numbers are flipped and we attempted 38 passes and 26 rushes.

 

[NDBoiler]

Most of my thoughts have been covered already, but I would like to point out that I thought the defense played very well. Only major disappointment that stood out to me on that side of the ball was 2 plays where Studstill had a clear shot to bring a guy down on a tackle and just threw a shoulder into him instead of wrapping him up. On both plays hebounced off the ball carrier and gave up additional yardage. Nyles hit on their running back was nasty, dude looked pretty dazed afterward.

 

[kmoose]

No way that is correct. How many times did Kizer tuck it and run after a designed pass play? That counts as a run. I know that sacks are subtracted from rushing totals but I'm not positive if they are counted as a rushing attempt (think they do). We gave the ball to our RBs 20 times in a hurricane.

If your totals are correct, I'd say the real numbers are flipped and we attempted 38 passes and 26 rushes.

I'm just going off of the final stats. If you want to go through the play-by-play and try to figure out which of Kizer's 15 carries were actual QB runs and which were broken down pass plays, have at it.

Or, you could just be really emotional about it, and not care what the actual numbers are....just like all of the other girls.

 

[NDRock]

I'm just going off of the final stats. If you want to go through the play-by-play and try to figure out which of Kizer's 15 carries were actual QB runs and which were broken down pass plays, have at it.

Or, you could just be really emotional about it, and not care what the actual numbers are....just like all of the other girls.

You didn't even watch the game. I'm sure you were conducting a meeting of the Joe Schmidt fan club and as President and founder, you were quite busy.

In your own fucking post, you said:

"The coaches put together the game plan. The game plan called for 38 rushes, and only 26 pass attempts."

If you watched the game, instead of discussing Joe's "dreamy eyes" or whatever you do at your meeting, you would have known that the game plan called for more than 26 pass plays. But hey, you read the box score, so there's that.

 

[kmoose]

You didn't even watch the game. I'm sure you were conducting a meeting of the Joe Schmidt fan club and as President and founder, you were quite busy.

In your own fucking post, you said:

"The coaches put together the game plan. The game plan called for 38 rushes, and only 26 pass attempts."

If you watched the game, instead of discussing Joe's "dreamy eyes" or whatever you do at your meeting, you would have known that the game plan called for more than 26 pass plays.

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I didn't get to watch the game because I was at the Penn State/Maryland game, then the Rutgers/Michigan game. Joe Schmidt is gone from ND, and you are still crying about him? It's not my fault if you cannot handle disappointment and still maintain perspective. Which of your kids did you beat, in your blind rage about Brian Kelly, last night? When I saw someone toss out a stat last night that I thought didn't look right, I went to the play by play and looked it up myself before expressing my disbelief with it. If you had done the same, then you would have realized that I was just using the official game stats.

But you're probably right, and I am probably wrong............. YOU probably know better about play calling than a coach who has a 108-45 record at the D-IA level! I'll not interrupt your aneurysm-inducing idiocy again.

 

[NCND]

Both teams played in this crap yet we are only making excuses for one. This was a horrible game and we didn't show up with an executable or realistic game plan.

I hope everyone gets the chance to see some highlights or actually watch the Washington game from today. Talk about a fundamentally sound football team that has an agenda to kick the other teams ass. It was a great thing to watch!

Agree. They look sound, efficient and mean as fuck.

 

[Meatloaf]

Some funny posts from the Reddit post game thread because all you can do is laugh right now:

Hey lets throw the ball a ton!
-Brian "Mensa" Kelly

Pro lifers started showing up outside the stadium during the game to protest Brian Kelly's gameplan.

I haven't seen a Kizer-led powerhouse lose this badly since World War 1.

There was only one thing stronger than Hurricane Matthew in Raleigh today, and that was Brian Kelly's ego.
Throwing it that much in a hurricane. Jesus.

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[NDRock]

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I didn't get to watch the game because I was at the Penn State/Maryland game, then the Rutgers/Michigan game. Joe Schmidt is gone from ND, and you are still crying about him? It's not my fault if you cannot handle disappointment and still maintain perspective. Which of your kids did you beat, in your blind rage about Brian Kelly, last night? When I saw someone toss out a stat last night that I thought didn't look right, I went to the play by play and looked it up myself before expressing my disbelief with it. If you had done the same, then you would have realized that I was just using the official game stats.

But you're probably right, and I am probably wrong............. YOU probably know better about play calling than a coach who has a 108-45 record at the D-IA level! I'll not interrupt your aneurysm-inducing idiocy again.

Do you really think I'm upset about the game? You love to come across as the Yoda like Zen figure while everyone is flipping out around you. It's pretty funny. Either way, yes I am right and you were wrong. You indicated that the game plan was to throw 26 times when it was to throw many more than that. Nothing emotional about that. Just the facts. Thank you Mr. Miyagi. I will try to reach your level of calm. You're like the calm eye of the Hurricane. Off to beat my kids...

 

[Irish Insanity]

That stat is not correct. According to the play by play from the game (Notre Dame Football :: UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics), ND had 23 plays from the NC STATE 25 or closer, and they threw it 16 times for -3 yards total, and ran it 7 times for 9 yards.

So 16 of the 26 passes were when we were 25 yards or closer. That's even stupider than I originally thought. We opted to pass considerably more often when we there was less room for error in a tighter field.

Look at it from a coaching perspective. The coaches put together the game plan. The game plan called for 38 rushes, and only 26 pass attempts. I didn't get to see the game, but looking at the replays/highlights................. I can't believe that they played this game on that POS field. It should never have happened.

The field was unplayable, no doubt. But I don't think the coaches predetermined a split like that. And honestly, from the outside that split doesn't look like a poor plan. But when the majority of the passes came in, or close to, the red zone, and in groups of 3, it's ridiculous.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I'm just going off of the final stats. If you want to go through the play-by-play and try to figure out which of Kizer's 15 carries were actual QB runs and which were broken down pass plays, have at it.

Or, you could just be really emotional about it, and not care what the actual numbers are....just like all of the other girls.

There were only 3-4 designed QB runs.
The rest were passes that he tried to take off on.
Kizer struggled to complete bubble screens in the 40mph gusts and this idiot coach had him drop back almost every play.
Then when he actually put one in the receiver's hands, they couldn't hold on.
It was like trying to catch a wet bar of soap.


The game plan sucked.
The play calls sucked.
Try actually watching the game before deciding who's an overreacting "girl".
I promise you'll be screaming at the tv when you review the tape.


*this is coming from a Kelly supporter.

 

[BeatSC]

I watched the first half, went out, found out who won, rear many posts here then went back to watch the balance of the game so I could calmly evaluate it.

My take is that this was a total Kelly schitt show and yes a few players underwhelmed and the weather was our twelfth man on D but this team is still being set up to fail. This week it was on offense. Not taking a page from the NC St playbook and running the Wildcat with Zaire is just flat out embarrassing. Kelly made no brave bold coaching decisions it was like the coaches stayed dry in the locker room. Fundamentals especially tackling, shedding blocks no holding blocks are still horrible. Good to see Studstill in the area where the action is but his shoulder bump BS needs to be singled out in the film room and his job threatened by anyone who will use their arms to tackle! Yes players underachieved like but after reviewing the film and decision making or lack thereof Kelly needs to apologize at his press conference and do a better job than that ego maniacal Trump who should get out of the way for Pence just like Kelly should for Sanford.

 

[Meatloaf]

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[IrishinSyria]

Yeah dude, I can see how if you jus looked at the stats it would look like Kelly ran a run heavy offense but that's not true.

Of our runs, 15 were by Kizer. Some of these were read options or QB draws, but a lot were scrambles on designed pass plays. Kizer had more carries than any of our running backs. When you consider we were running a horizontal first running attack that sucked in the conditions, it was way way worse than the final stats made it seem.

Throws were equally infuriating. A mind blowing number of deep balls seeing as they just were not going to work. Pass happy attack in the red zone when we were starting to gain momentum running downhill out of the pistol.

Players played their hearts out in terrible terrible conditions. This one was on Kelly. He came in with a dumb game plan and then refused to change in the face of overwhelming evidence that it wasn't working. We were never going to put up huge points yesterday, but we could have at least let the game be a test of will between our line and theirs.

 

[Classic Irish]

I sat in a monsoon to watch that debacle. After winning ten games last year, we've fallen off a cliff. Seven years into his tenure, and we're losing to the likes of Duke and NC State. It's painful to watch.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't know why any of you guys are taking anything away from a game played in that hurricane.

It's not like North Carolina State scored a touchdown running the ball. Both offenses scored three points.

Go have a beer and take a nap or something.

This. I was at a wedding last night. A friend of mine's gf is a NC St alum and was showing me snaps of what Raleigh loozed like.

Tough to take much from this game(that should not have been played anyway). ND's style, for better or worse is nothe going to work in that weather. Ala fucking bama's style is not going to work in that weather. It looked like a sloppy shit show. I'm all for playing in the elements like men but that was dumb.

BTW, still on team Kelly

 

[dkuhn12]

The game can be summed by the fact that Notre Dame had multiple chances to put at least 4 or 5 field goal attempts on the board and every time we got into the redzone, Kelly's ignorance to pass all the time set the offense for failure. There is no excuse to throw the ball 31 times. Just run the all between the tackles and avoid mistakes in the way of turnovers and sacks.


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[irishandy]

My postgame observations:
(without watching the game and hearing/reading information about the game)
1. Jaylon Smith
2. Will Fuller
3. CJ Prosise
4. Ronnie Stanley
5. Sheldon Day
6. Nick Martin
7. KeiVarae Russell
8. Steve Elmer
9. Elijah Shumate
10. Romeo Okwara
11. Chris Brown
12. Amir Carlisle

Bonus-- Aliz'e Jones and Max Redfield (not playing this year)

I thought this team would overcome it's youngness and be better than a 2-4 team.

These guys above are missed more than we know this year.

I hope we don't go 2-10 and getting rid of Kelly is not the answer.

Go Irish!!

 

[stlnd01]

My postgame observations:
(without watching the game and hearing/reading information about the game)
1. Jaylon Smith
2. Will Fuller
3. CJ Prosise
4. Ronnie Stanley
5. Sheldon Day
6. Nick Martin
7. KeiVarae Russell
8. Steve Elmer
9. Elijah Shumate
10. Romeo Okwara
11. Chris Brown
12. Amir Carlisle

Bonus-- Aliz'e Jones and Max Redfield (not playing this year)

I thought this team would overcome it's youngness and be better than a 2-4 team.

These guys above are missed more than we know this year.

I hope we don't go 2-10 and getting rid of Kelly is not the answer.

Go Irish!!

Corey Robinson, Devin Butler, Nick Watkins and Shaun Crawford too. And Folston is not what he used to be.
Not making excuses. Attrition and injuries are a part of college football, and good teams overcome. But the idea of us as a top ten/playoff contending team rested on a lot of assumptions about unproven players, most of whom are playing like the rookies they are.
Thing is, I feel like we have the foundations of a very good team. Thats the biggest reason I like Kelly, because he has built our talent and depth in ways you can see on the field even if we're not winning. There is zero reason we can't make a serious playoff run next year. What worries me is if these young guys get too used to losing. That becomes infectious. We need a couple of wins badly.

 

[kmoose]

Do you really think I'm upset about the game?

The two most obvious possibilities are that you are upset, or that you are the dumbest poster even to (dis)grace the pages of IE(and that is REALLY saying something)

You love to come across as the Yoda like Zen figure while everyone is flipping out around you.

I don't "love to come across" as anything. I simply offer my opinions. It's who I am, not some image that I would like to project.

Either way, yes I am right and you were wrong. You indicated that the game plan was to throw 26 times when it was to throw many more than that.

Sorry. I didn't realize that you are privy to the game plans. How about every Friday you give us a heads up on how many runs and passes are scheduled for the next day?

Again, if you had hair one on your sack, you would do some of your own work instead of relying on everyone else to research for you. The breakdown of plays from yesterday's game was 33 runs, 31 passes ( Notre Dame Football :: UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics ). That is what was called. There were 5 QB runs on passing plays. That is why the final stats show 26 attempts(31 pass plays called - 5 QB scrambles) and 38 rushing attempts (33 run plays called + 5 QB scrambles). So the play calling was very balanced. You're right that I didn't see the game and maybe am missing some nuance that made a big difference. But the idea that Kelly came into the game expecting to air it out, or that he kept dropping back to throw on every play, is just bullsh!t. So are you spouting bullsh!t because you are upset, or because you are stupid?

 

[IrishLion]

Kmoose, the problem isn't that he "aired it out."

The problem is that he called 30+ pass plays in a hurricane, when it was clear after one quarter of play that it was a fool's errand to ask Kizer to throw the ball more than 5 yards, or for the receivers to try and catch the ball past 5 yards.

They were most effective when they lined up in the pistol and got Adams going downhill or off-tackle. The problem is that they didn't try this until the fourth quarter... the run plays prior to that were ineffective stretch plays or QB scrambles.

It is simply unacceptable that they didn't go to the downhill pistol game earlier, and that they only had 13 RB carries prior to the 4th. That is a monumental coaching failure.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Corey Robinson, Devin Butler, Nick Watkins and Shaun Crawford too. And Folston is not what he used to be.

Not making excuses. Attrition and injuries are a part of college football, and good teams overcome. But the idea of us as a top ten/playoff contending team rested on a lot of assumptions about unproven players, most of whom are playing like the rookies they are.

Thing is, I feel like we have the foundations of a very good team. Thats the biggest reason I like Kelly, because he has built our talent and depth in ways you can see on the field even if we're not winning. There is zero reason we can't make a serious playoff run next year. What worries me is if these young guys get too used to losing. That becomes infectious. We need a couple of wins badly.

No love for Farley...or Schmidt.


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[kmoose]

The problem is that he called 30+ pass plays in a hurricane, when it was clear after one quarter of play that it was a fool's errand to ask Kizer to throw the ball more than 5 yards, or for the receivers to try and catch the ball past 5 yards.

They were most effective when they lined up in the pistol and got Adams going downhill or off-tackle. The problem is that they didn't try this until the fourth quarter... the run plays prior to that were ineffective stretch plays or QB scrambles.

It is simply unacceptable that they didn't go to the downhill pistol game earlier, and that they only had 13 RB carries prior to the 4th. That is a monumental coaching failure.

See? There's nothing wrong with this kind of reasoned criticism. But that's not what was happening in the thread before I entered into the debate. So now someone has called out the teenaged girl drama, and we've(hopefully) moved on to reasoned debate. I'm not defending Kelly's play calling yesterday. In fact, I've said that I think his time is up at ND in the Revisit thread:

I think Kelly has probably run his course at ND. But a couple of things:

1. He should, and most likely will, get to coach out the rest of this season.

2. Let's maintain some perspective: Kelly is a good coach, his record is absolutely proof of this, so let's quit talking like the guy is incompetent or is purposely tanking games.

3. Kelly did not throw anyone under the bus, and the players have to take ALL of the responsibility for not being able to execute the most basic of football functions like a snap. Kelly can take the fall for the game plan, but the players have to execute.

 

[stlnd01]

No love for Farley...or Schmidt.


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Oh, yes, we could use Farley, couldn't we?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Oh, yes, we could use Farley, couldn't we?

Would be the best option at safety.


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[tko]

Can't even imagine how dejected this team must feel right now. Hopefully someone can take the leadership reigns from within the locker room. It's about personal pride at this point because Kelly has lost the respect of these guys, my opinion obviously.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Can't even imagine how dejected this team must feel right now. Hopefully someone can take the leadership reigns from within the locker room. It's about personal pride at this point because Kelly has lost the respect of these guys, my opinion obviously.

Kelly looks and probably is a defeated man. You could see it in his face and hear it in voice after the game yesterday.


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[NDRock]

The game plan called for 38 rushes, and only 26 pass attempts.

Sorry. I didn't realize that you are privy to the game plans. How about every Friday you give us a heads up on how many runs and passes are scheduled for the next day

Why do you need me to give you the game plan, you already indicated you know it.