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In case you were worried about the Democrats taking 2020 seriously, The Week's Jeva Lange just published an article titled "Fear and Loathing at OZY Fest":

OZY Fest — which has nothing at all to do with Australia or, alas, the bat-eating songwriter responsible for "Crazy Train" — rolled into New York City's Central Park this weekend, bringing with it thousands of attendees who had all voluntarily decided that the best way to spend their time and money was by going to something described favorably as "TED meets Coachella."

In the shadow of a Statue of Liberty throwing up the sign of the horns, OZYgoers in orange OZY bandanas braved the blazing sun and threat of thunderstorms to see a somehow-not-photoshopped lineup, where Hillary Clinton was top-billed alongside, uhh, Passion Pit. The festival is put on by OZY Media, a polished online magazine founded by former MSNBC anchor Carlos Watson, which lists contributors like Bill Gates and Condoleezza Rice and boasts that it's "built for the Change Generation." The AV Club branded OZY's two-day event "the music festival of your nightmares."

While it's easy to dunk on the superbly mediocre lineup, in practice the event was the best argument I've seen yet for why the Democratic Party is in need of a radically new approach — because this lot sure has nothing to say.

Watson, the founder, told the New York Daily News in April that the goal of the festival, which is in its third year, is to bring "diverse voices to one stage, and expose people to unexpected perspectives. In years past, people who purchased a ticket to see Jason Derulo have been totally wowed by Jeb Bush." Which is dubious; if you're trying to wow people, you don't invite Jeb Bush.

But in reality, OZY Fest is a strange, well-funded mutation of the #Resistance, organized and attended by people who are so out of touch and smugly self-congratulatory that "highlights" of day one, which I attended, are limited to Hillary Clinton talking about Russia and DNC Chairman Tom Perez predicting the party will win "north of 23" House seats and "plus two" Senate seats come November.

For a festival with the tagline "Think. Eat. Rock." there wasn't much of anything thought provoking; everything that was said had been said before. (The food was good, though; shout out to the Belgian fries for getting me through the twerk-off portion of the afternoon).

Take Perez. Perhaps nothing embodied the fangless, pat-yourself-on-the-back tone of the festival more than the DNC chair, who credited Clinton's election loss on allowing "fear to triumph over hope," only to confirm that "we're winning" now because "we're focused on values." While the words each individually sound fine — "values" are great, I love values! — they are hollow, as superfluous as instructing New Yorkers who paid upwards of a hundred dollars to hear Common talk about mass incarceration to remember to vote. "I support the abolition of Donald Trump," Perez said for good measure, which means nothing at all.

Perez additionally referenced socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's primary win for putting "hope on the ballot," although the elephant in the room was the party's far-left wing, which was conspicuously absent from the main stage. Cynthia Nixon, who is running for governor of New York state on the appealing promise of not being Andrew Cuomo, gave a rote stump speech at the free bandshell stage outside the main gates, name-dropping the Occupy and Black Lives Matter movements, the Parkland shooting, and the Democratic Socialists of America. A couple behind me at her speech, sporting orange wristbands indicating they had paid at least $99 to be there, murmured "who is she?" and "she's totally crazy."

Perez, meanwhile, has endorsed Cuomo, a politician my colleague Ryan Cooper has claimed would have been "a passable courtier for Louis XVI." But OZY Fest is not a place for off-message nuisances who think so.

Making that perfectly clear, Watson hosted a panel consisting of former New York Yankee Alex Rodriguez, Soulcycle founder Ruth Zukerman (because of course), former New Zealand soccer player Tim Brown, who now sells shoes, and Ryan Williams, who founded a real estate technology company with Middle East peace envoy Jared Kushner and his brother, Joshua Kushner. The panel, "How to Succeed In Business Without a Rule Book," offered helpful advice on being rich, like fly "20 hours" if you have to in order to get to an important meeting. A-Rod had earlier explained how easy it is to go bankrupt when you have $100 million.

That sort of stratification of access was apparent in more explicit ways too, from the free events at the bandshell to the general admission tickets, to the unlimited free food and alcohol in the shaded VIP area, to a ridiculously named VVIP area, for when one V just isn't enough.

So why does anyone go to OZY Fest? It certainly isn't to listen to a failed politician in a caftan weigh in on the politics of the day after being pitched softball questions. It isn't to watch Rose McGowan break down on stage talking about #MeToo, or hear Grover Norquist predict the next financial crisis, or see the HQ guy in person, or buy an umbrella shaped like a wine bottle, or drink alcohol out of half of a watermelon (although that probably helped).

OZY Fest exists so people who say things like "madam president" can cheer when the talent tells them to "go vote" or calls the president a "cheeto." It's to lap up words like "freedom" and "justice," which are fired from the stage like out of a T-shirt cannon to applause. It is the arrogance of modern neoliberalism, where you can go home at the end of the day feeling proud you respectfully clapped for Republican Rep. Mark Sanford.

It is with eye-popping irony that OZY Media cites the Percy Bysshe Shelley poem "Ozymandias" as the inspiration for its confusing name. "[Y]up, most folks read that poem as a caution against big egos and the impermanence of power," the website's "about" page explains with a complete lack of self-awareness. "We read it differently. To us, the poem says think big, but be humble, lest you end up 'two vast and trunkless legs … in the desert.'"

Except OZY Fest represents exactly the wrinkled lip and sneer of a political movement that believes itself to be in the historic right, with no notion of the reality outside its cordoned-off hilltop in Central Park. Look on my neon corporate wokeness, ye Mighty, and despair.
 

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Decent article...do you have an opinion? You seem to post many of these long articles with little to no opinion.

Last sentence nails it for me.
 

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All the loons.
MSNBC was talking with some lefty politician today who was claiming that the socialist dems and moderate dems have a "great" unified message for the middle class. This doesn't seem to come close to any middle class messaging...

Elitist and crazy NY far Left.
CNixon... lol. She's still dealing with her complex from being the 4th wheel on Sex in the City...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is so dumb. <a href="https://t.co/TUPhQYSbIP">pic.twitter.com/TUPhQYSbIP</a></p>— Kassy Dillon (@KassyDillon) <a href="https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1030120044913545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/16/new-york-governor-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great.html

The one effect of Trump being president has revealed this: the left has completely lost their minds. Here's reason #87 why I think Trump will win 2020.

Trump is far from perfect and is no saint, but if by that time we still have a roaring economy, low unemployment, record stock market numbers, maybe more control on our border...Dems will be running on transgender bathrooms and abolishing ICE. Good luck.
 

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https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/16/new-york-governor-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great.html

The one effect of Trump being president has revealed this: the left has completely lost their minds. Here's reason #87 why I think Trump will win 2020.

Trump is far from perfect and is no saint, but if by that time we still have a roaring economy, low unemployment, record stock market numbers, maybe more control on our border...Dems will be running on transgender bathrooms and abolishing ICE. Good luck.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with political discourse and political thought in the US. It takes a single inflammatory statement, points to it and overstates its relevance in a zero sum game of gotcha bs that is more in line with reality show entertainment than anything else. Way back before the internet this was referred to as “bumper sticker” politics. If that statement by Cuomo serves as proof that the collective “left” has “lost their mind” what then do the Presidents consistent lying and disgusting statements mean for the right? A quick web search will produce a wealth of racist, misogynistic bullshit from politicians on the right as well. What does that mean?

One thing all this means in my opinion is that Neil Postman was right about many things way back in 1984.
 
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This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with political discourse and political thought in the US. It takes a single inflammatory statement, points to it and overstates its relevance in a zero sum game of gotcha bs that is more in line with reality show entertainment than anything else. Way back before the internet this was referred to as “bumper sticker” politics. If that statement by Cuomo serves as proof that the collective “left” has “lost their mind” what then do the Presidents consistent lying and disgusting statements mean for the right? A quick web search will produce a wealth of racist, misogynistic bullshit from politicians on the right as well. What does that mean?

One thing all this means in my opinion is that Neil Postman was right about many things way back in 1984.

Trump's words and actions are his own. No one overstated Cuomo. He let the toothpaste out of the tube and can't get it back in. Cuomo is yet another example of where the left has gone in terms of attitude towards the most prosperous society ever known. It's insane.

Pelosi and Reid changed healthcare forever in this country with zero Republican votes. Obama had his infamous "fundamental transformation" line. Whackjob Maxine is still talking about impeaching Trump. The young rockstar of the party, Cortez, is the face of democratic socialism.

To my original point...if this garbage continues it almost guarantees a win for Trump in 2020.
 

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Trump's words and actions are his own. No one overstated Cuomo. He let the toothpaste out of the tube and can't get it back in. Cuomo is yet another example of where the left has gone in terms of attitude towards the most prosperous society ever known. It's insane.

Pelosi and Reid changed healthcare forever in this country with zero Republican votes. Obama had his infamous "fundamental transformation" line. Whackjob Maxine is still talking about impeaching Trump. The young rockstar of the party, Cortez, is the face of democratic socialism.

To my original point...if this garbage continues it almost guarantees a win for Trump in 2020.

As always in politics, the fight is for the middle. Nothing either side says or does will pull many voters from the other side's far wing. You win by swaying the undecideds in the middle. After 2016 and Hillary alienating so many of those middle people even in traditionally blue states and those who typically tipped slightly left, you'd think the Dems would recognize that they're alienating that group of average, middle-America Joes with the insults, Anti-America rhetoric, and the radical policies that spit in the face of anything approaching traditional values.
 

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Rahm Emanuel under increasing fire for linking Chicago violence and morals in minority neighborhoods | Fox News

Not a fan of Emanuel, but I applaud him in this case for not sticking to the PC norm of his party.

It’s so freaking frustrating because I feel helping our black communities should much higher on our nation priority list... but if anyone of color says anything about the lack of the father or accountability in the community they are instantly an uncle Tom... if a white person says anything outside the ‘it’s all just racism’ echo chamber they’re instantly racist. Many of the issues the black community suffers from more than most will never be solved if we as a collective people can’t even have honest dialogues about causes and solutions.
 

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It’s so freaking frustrating because I feel helping our black communities should much higher on our nation priority list... but if anyone of color says anything about the lack of the father or accountability in the community they are instantly an uncle Tom... if a white person says anything outside the ‘it’s all just racism’ echo chamber they’re instantly racist. Many of the issues the black community suffers from more than most will never be solved if we as a collective people can’t even have honest dialogues about causes and solutions.

Amen.
It's sad that "oppression" and racism are the only acceptable root causes. There are many factors, and the destruction of the family unit, lack of community, etc.., are very much legitimate factors. Being unwilling to discuss all the factors is why the cycle continues. And it's sad I don't have much hope that things will change.
 

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Rahm preaching morality to blacks is pure comedy. What a world class low life.

The percentage of white children born out of wedlock has quadrupled since the 70s. What the hell kind of guidance are white Americans in a position to give?

Also, have crime rates amongst whites increased with the rate of illegitimacy? Don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong.
 

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Rahm preaching morality to blacks is pure comedy. What a world class low life.

The percentage of white children born out of wedlock has quadrupled since the 70s. What the hell kind of guidance are white Americans in a position to give?

Also, have crime rates amongst whites increased with the rate of illegitimacy? Don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong.

There are a ton of studies out there on the topic that show correlation to single parent families and crime. There's also a strong correlation between single parenting and poverty. Two parent homes are the lowest group by far in both poverty and crime.

NJCJRS.gov has info, but a quick google will get you more than you can read.

Here's one from a left leaning Atlantic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/265860/
 

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That statement by Cuomo tho.... I mean...

Worse than what Cohen just dropped regarding the president under oath? Worse than “grab em by the pussy”? Worse than “he speaks perfect English”? What Cuomo said was kind of dumb without proper context, however if we are going to judge each side of the political spectrum by a solitary stupid statement prominent figures on the right have said all kinds of stupid, racist, misogynistic bullshit with the current President being only the latest example in a very long line.
 
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Worse than what Cohen just dropped regarding the president under oath? Worse than “grab em by the pussy”? Worse than “he speaks perfect English”? What Cuomo said was kind of dumb without proper context, however if we are going to judge each side of the political spectrum by a solitary stupid statement prominent figures on the right have said all kinds of stupid, racist, misogynistic bullshit with the current President being only the latest example in a very long line.

Yes, Cuomo's statement was worse than all that.
 

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Yes, Cuomo's statement was worse than all that.

Ok. How so? If you look at the history of this country from the perspective of several groups there is a strong argument that it was indeed “never that great”. In fact wasn’t Trump campaigning of the very fact that America wasn’t that great and only he could “make it great again”? I get it being humble and trying to view the world from someone else’s perspective is hard.

Again, if Cuomo’s statement defines “the left” why don’t the presidents statements along with the recent convictions and guilty pleas of the initial core of his campaign staff define “the right”. Using your own reasoning “the right” can now be labeled a collection of racist, misogynistic, felons.

Anyhow, if the democrats (i.e. the moderate republicans) run someone who is semi competent and willing to actually campaign and Trump somehow manages to not be in federal prison by that point I think the democratic candidate will win decisively in 2020.
 
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Ok. How so? If you look at the history of this country from the perspective of several groups there is a strong argument that it was indeed “never that great”. In fact wasn’t Trump campaigning of the very fact that America wasn’t that great and only he could “make it great again”? I get it being humble and trying to view the world from someone else’s perspective is hard.

Which groups?
 

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Worse than what Cohen just dropped regarding the president under oath? Worse than “grab em by the pussy”? Worse than “he speaks perfect English”? What Cuomo said was kind of dumb without proper context, however if we are going to judge each side of the political spectrum by a solitary stupid statement prominent figures on the right have said all kinds of stupid, racist, misogynistic bullshit with the current President being only the latest example in a very long line.

Did you take my quote of a week ago as something like the bolded??
 

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Ok. How so? If you look at the history of this country from the perspective of several groups there is a strong argument that it was indeed “never that great”. In fact wasn’t Trump campaigning of the very fact that America wasn’t that great and only he could “make it great again”? I get it being humble and trying to view the world from someone else’s perspective is hard.

Again, if Cuomo’s statement defines “the left” why don’t the presidents statements along with the recent convictions and guilty pleas of the initial core of his campaign staff define “the right”. Using your own reasoning “the right” can now be labeled a collection of racist, misogynistic, felons.

Anyhow, if the democrats (i.e. the moderate republicans) run someone who is semi competent and willing to actually campaign and Trump somehow manages to not be in federal prison by that point I think the democratic candidate will win decisively in 2020.

1) You're speaking for nameless groups of people in America, a country not perfect but by far the most free and prosperous society the world has ever known.

2) Trump campaigned on MAGA because America was in a slump, especially economically. We now have an incredibly strong economy. Cuomo said this country never was great, and that sentiment has spread throughout the new left. It's disgusting.

3) If the social Democrats continue to be run by Ellison, Pelosi, Warren, Cortes and the like, 2020 won't be close. GDP growth well above 3% and 4%, low unemployment, record breaking stock market, record low unemployment for minorities, home ownership rising, etc.

Only thing Dems will be able to run on is free college and transgender bathrooms. Oh, and abolishing ICE haha.
 
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