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Govt IP Edited Wikipedia To Accuse Kevin McCarthy of Affair | Mediaite

Not familiar with this source, but if the IP address is accurate...I'm not shocked at all someone in this Federal Government would engage as such...probably a former IRS or HHS employee...But hey, lets keep stuffing data about everyone on servers because DC can be trusted...hehehe, YEA!

Haha that is crazy. Apparently its not a secret in DC that these two have been carrying on since 2011. Now... who would put this out there and for what reason? I have heard the Tea Party did it because they did not like McCarthy and did not want him as the House Leader. I heard the Dems did it because of what he said about HRC and Bengahzi... Anyway. Dude is fucking another Republican congressperson on the side. No shame whatsoever.
 

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bites lip...

"Sounds like Oval Office material to me."

signed William J. Clinton
 
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Thank you for refuting my sourced statistics with your feelings.

Working with a 60 year old couple a few months ago discussing this exact standard of living topic. They are both cancer survivors looking forward to 30 year retirement. 20 years ago they would both be dead, let alone 1950. You aren't going to convince me society is moving backwards for the last century and I am obviously not going to convince you otherwise.

Did you actually read what I wrote. I showed that many things (and many of the largest costs) have gone up faster than inflation but that FPL only increases at inflation and that is a reason why it is not a good measuring stick. That is not feelings. That is numbers. Nice try though.

ETA: While that is a nice story, no one is arguing that medicine hasn't advanced, just that FPL is a bad measure and skews the actual amount of people in poverty because it increases at inflation but many things that people need to purchase increase at faster rates than inflation.
 
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I'm convinced you don't even read white I write. You just like to argue with whatever I post. The article Pamela Gellar wrote, as I noted in the first post, was based on information from the GERMAN NEWSPAPER Die Welt.

I read what you wrote, but I wasn't going to give Pamela Geller clicks so I googled the headline looking for a reputable source. Shockingly the newspaper you mentioned didn't show up on the first 3+ pages on google, only right wing conspiracy theory websites. At that point I gave up.

ETA: I also tried looking at the English language version of Die Welt and, I can't find the article, though to be fair, their website is really slow.
 
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I'm convinced you don't even read white I write. You just like to argue with whatever I post. [/I]

This is like 95% of this thread over the years, why I just gave up taking anything serious here...
 
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Haha that is crazy. Apparently its not a secret in DC that these two have been carrying on since 2011. Now... who would put this out there and for what reason? I have heard the Tea Party did it because they did not like McCarthy and did not want him as the House Leader. I heard the Dems did it because of what he said about HRC and Bengahzi... Anyway. Dude is fucking another Republican congressperson on the side. No shame whatsoever.

I wouldn't know. When I'm in DC, I'm working with people who do things...not each other, and politicians only come up as an impediment or a punchline.

It would seem if this affair business is true, and it is what caused him to bail on chasing the Speaker gig, he indeed has some shame. I'd say no shame would be denial, and continued pursuit of the job.
 

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Rent a 983 square foot place with no air conditioning, no washer/dryer, no microwave, a 13" black and white TV getting one station with rabbit ears..... and let me know how your 4 person family compares to today's "poor". You use a price of a house as validation but refuse to acknowledge today's houses are THREE TIMES BIGGER.

Loaf of bread was about 10 cents, now its $2.

Cars? No air bags, probably no radio, hydraulic brakes, probably 10 mpg, pretty much every aspect of the crappiest car today is light years ahead of the average car of 1950. Now the "average" car costs something like $31k, WTF kind of an average is that? you can get something for half that cost that is more than serviceable so why are we tethering all of society to that average when the same functionality can be achieved for half the cost?

You have zero appreciation for discretionary spending. You act like everyone deserves the average just for breathing. Oh, this person dropped out of high school and can't buy a new IPhone and F150 truck or a 3000 square foot house because our economy sucks and Republicans hate poor people. Its insulting to those people who make good decisions and live on less in order to get ahead.
 

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Rent a 983 square foot place with no air conditioning, no washer/dryer, no microwave, a 13" black and white TV getting one station with rabbit ears..... and let me know how your 4 person family compares to today's "poor". You use a price of a house as validation but refuse to acknowledge today's houses are THREE TIMES BIGGER.

Loaf of bread was about 10 cents, now its $2.

Cars? No air bags, probably no radio, hydraulic brakes, probably 10 mpg, pretty much every aspect of the crappiest car today is light years ahead of the average car of 1950. Now the "average" car costs something like $31k, WTF kind of an average is that? you can get something for half that cost that is more than serviceable so why are we tethering all of society to that average when the same functionality can be achieved for half the cost?

You have zero appreciation for discretionary spending. You act like everyone deserves the average just for breathing. Oh, this person dropped out of high school and can't buy a new IPhone and F150 truck or a 3000 square foot house because our economy sucks and Republicans hate poor people. Its insulting to those people who make good decisions and live on less in order to get ahead.

I am taking the median price of a car in 1950 and comparing it to the median price of a car today. I took the median home in 1950 and compared it to the median home today. Yes new homes have grown in the U.S. but the median home price takes into account all house sales both big and small (yes the median new home built is 2400 Sqft, but that is not the median home size that is sold in the US because many older homes are sold as well) and there is the fact that that lots that houses are on are getting smaller and smaller.

Also your bread example shows how wrong you are: Something that cost $.10 back then should only cost about $1 right now according to inflation, not $2. So thanks for playing.

As to the bold, when have I ever said any of that? I have mostly been talking about seniors living on very little money and how it is rough for them. Yes $12K a year for a retired person is very difficult to live on. Now they don't deserve a new car or a huge home. But they deserve a decent 1 bedroom apartment (and depending on where they live probably AC as well), being able to pay their electricity/water/trash, food in their pantry, good medical care, and the ability to get around (buses mostly since they have to get to the grocery store and to doctor appointments). The problem is that it can be hard on 12K a year to have even the basic necessities and that to me is a shame. They don't deserve a a perfect life, but the shouldn't have to worry about the bare necessities either.
 

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I will say, dating back to John Kennedy, there are two Democrat Presidents who've been decent MEN. Mr. Carter and Mr. Obama are just decent family guys, and for that I respect them as MEN.

If only you hear the rumors.
 
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Why no one wants to be the Speaker of the House.
The House of Representative is in chaos. John Boehner announced his intention to step down as Speaker at the end of the month. There doesn’t appear to be anyone to take his place. The leading candidate, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, abruptly withdrew from the race yesterday. Another popular choice, Paul Ryan, says he’s not interested.

What happened? How did we get to this point? One document, produced by the House Freedom Caucus, holds all the answers. Framed as a “questionnaire” the document effectively makes it impossible for any candidate to both: 1) Get elected speaker, and 2) Not send the entire country (and maybe the world) over a cliff.

Why the Freedom Caucus has so much power
The House Freedom Caucus, a relatively new group of about 40 Republicans loosely associated with the Tea Party, has an extraordinary amount of power in this process. Any potential speaker needs the support of 218 Republicans on the floor of the House. There are currently 247 Republicans in the House. That’s a large majority but without the Freedom Caucus, no candidate can get to 218.


What the Freedom Caucus says they want
The Freedom Caucus says they are just fighting for arcane rule changes that will enhance “democracy” in the House. On CNN yesterday, David Brat, a prominent member of the Freedom Caucus outlined his criteria for a new speaker. (You may remember Brat for his surprise victory over Eric Cantor, the man many assumed would replace Boehner as speaker.)

Anyone that ensures a fair process for all sides. That’s what we are all looking for, right… We’ve shown principle. We are waiting for leadership candidates to put in writing moves that ensure you have a democratic process within our own conference. That is what everyone is waiting to see. And it’s got to be in writing, ahead of time for that to be credible.
Sounds perfectly reasonable, right?

What the Freedom Caucus actually wants
Yesterday, Politico published the House Freedom Caucus “questionnaire” which it described as pushing for “House rule changes.” The document does do that. But it also does a lot more. It seeks substantive commitments from the next speaker that would effectively send the entire country into a tailspin.
For example, the document seeks a commitment from the next speaker to tie any increase in the debt ceiling to cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, social security

The United States will reach the debt limit on November 5. If the limit is not raised prior to that point, the United States could default on its obligations. This could have disasterous effects on the economy of the United States and the entire world. In 2013, a Treasury Department report found “default could result in recession comparable to or worse than 2008 financial crisis.”

Cutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is extremely unpopular, even among Republicans. These programs are sacrosanct to most Democratic members of Congress. There is effectively no chance that President Obama or Senate Democrats — both of whom would need to support such legislation — would agree to “structural entitlement reforms” in the next month under these kind of conditions.

The House Freedom Caucus essentially wants to make it impossible for the next speaker to raise the debt ceiling. But that is just the beginning.

The House Freedom Caucus also wants the next speaker to commit to numerous conditions on any agreement to avoid a government shutdown:
budget

The government will run out of money on December 11. Unless additional funding is approved before that date, the government will shut down.

The House Freedom Caucus wants the next speaker to commit to not funding the government at all unless President Obama (and Senate Democrats) agree to defund Obamacare, Planned Parenthood and a host of other priorities. This is essentially the Ted Cruz strategy which prompted at 16-day shutdown in 2013. This would now be enshrined as the official policy of the Speaker Of The House.

The House Freedom Caucus wants the next speaker to commit to oppose any “omnibus” bill that would keep the government running. Rather, funding for each aspect of government could only be approved by separate bills. This would allow the Republicans to attempt to finance certain favored aspects of government (the military), while shuttering ones they view as largely unnecessary (education, health).

Why McCarthy thinks the House might be ungovernable
For McCarthy, the document helps explain why he dropped out of the race. If he doesn’t agree to the demands of the House Freedom Caucus, he cannot secure enough votes to become speaker. But if he does agree to their demands, he will unable to pass legislation that is necessary to avoid disastrous consequences for the country.
McCarthy said that, even if he managed to get elected speaker, he doesn’t see how he would be able to have enough votes to extend the debt ceiling and keep the government open.

Asked by the National Review if he thought the House was governable, McCarthy said, “I don’t know. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom.”

Why no one wants to be speaker
Top Republicans are calling Paul Ryan and begging him to be speaker. But thus far, he hasn’t agreed to run. None of the candidates currently running appear to have substantial support.
The agenda of the House Freedom Caucus makes a difficult job effectively impossible. Agreeing to their demands means presiding over a period of unprecedented dysfunction in the United States.
Even if a candidate was able to become speaker without formally agreeing to the Freedom Caucus’ most extreme requirements, one would still have to deal with the group — and a larger group of House Republicans sympathetic to them — in order to get anything done.

This is why Boehner wanted out and why no one really wants to take his place.
 
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I read what you wrote, but I wasn't going to give Pamela Geller clicks so I googled the headline looking for a reputable source. Shockingly the newspaper you mentioned didn't show up on the first 3+ pages on google, only right wing conspiracy theory websites. At that point I gave up.

ETA: I also tried looking at the English language version of Die Welt and, I can't find the article, though to be fair, their website is really slow.

You obviously didn't read it. Sad that I have to teach you how to read and now research.

1. Go back to Google.
2. Type in "Die Welt Bettina Halbey."
3. The first article is actually in German from Die Welt, where that awful woman Pamela Gellar pulled the info you chose not to read.

Three other German newspapers reported it, the Daily Mail (British), and the Daily Caller did too. Not right wing conspiracy sites.

4. Sit back, grab an IPA, and read about (somehow) one of the strongest countries in the EU kicking a German citizen out of her residence so they can make room for non citizens.
 

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If only you hear the rumors.

What am I missing?

I'm not a fan of either man as a President...but what I've seen, neither were philandering assholes. I don't think their children will ever have to endure women recounting lurid affairs. I respect that.
 

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Yeah, I sure believe that an Obama affair could be kept secret.

...well, there is the goon squad..I mean the IRS. I'd say Secret Service, but they'd likely also be implicated if recent history is any predictor...so they couldn't do the goon work...:).
 

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Yeah, I sure believe that an Obama affair could be kept secret.

What am I missing?

I'm not a fan of either man as a President...but what I've seen, neither were philandering assholes. I don't think their children will ever have to endure women recounting lurid affairs. I respect that.

...well, there is the goon squad..I mean the IRS. I'd say Secret Service, but they'd likely also be implicated if recent history is any predictor...so they couldn't do the goon work...:).

Not everything is what it seems so while you see a good man, others don't. One of us actually used to work there.
 
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Do you have even a slightly reputable source to back this up? I can't find any news organization/website carrying it outside of crazy right wing sites. Plus Pamela Gellar is far from a trusted source.

2nd, I was under the impression that there are some Christian migrants as well. Why does the headline only say Muslim Migrants? Does it have anything to do with the fact that Pamela Geller is very anti-muslim?

Yes.
 

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You obviously didn't read it. Sad that I have to teach you how to read and now research.

1. Go back to Google.
2. Type in "Die Welt Bettina Halbey."
3. The first article is actually in German from Die Welt, where that awful woman Pamela Gellar pulled the info you chose not to read.

Three other German newspapers reported it, the Daily Mail (British), and the Daily Caller did too. Not right wing conspiracy sites.

4. Sit back, grab an IPA, and read about (somehow) one of the strongest countries in the EU kicking a German citizen out of her residence so they can make room for non citizens.


She has until MAY OF NEXT YEAR TO MOVE. That is FAR from being "forced out" to make room for "Muslim migrants". She has, what, 8 months? This is NOT like Nazi Germany, where they forced out Jews from their homes that moment, literally. Don't get it twisted.
 

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In the past on here I've referred to London as Londonistan, as Mohammed is now the most popular name for newborn males in the UK. Looks like Germany is right behind them, and the government is seizing private property to convert the property into migrant centers. Absolutely unreal.

Europe: Seizing Homes to House Muslim Migrants | Pamela Geller

Story this author used taken from Die Welt newspaper in Germany.

Germany Now Expects Up To 1.5 Million Migrants In 2015

You obviously didn't read it. Sad that I have to teach you how to read and now research.

1. Go back to Google.
2. Type in "Die Welt Bettina Halbey."
3. The first article is actually in German from Die Welt, where that awful woman Pamela Gellar pulled the info you chose not to read.

Three other German newspapers reported it, the Daily Mail (British), and the Daily Caller did too. Not right wing conspiracy sites.

4. Sit back, grab an IPA, and read about (somehow) one of the strongest countries in the EU kicking a German citizen out of her residence so they can make room for non citizens.

First off, reading the story I feel the woman and what she will be going through. As to the rest of what you wrote.

Well I didn't know Bettina Halbey's (and you didn't provide it till now) name so not shocking that I couldn't find it (because when you type in Women gets evicted for muslims in Germany it only pulls up right wing sites which is about all I had to go from based off of your links. ).

Also they are not seizing homes to house Muslim Migrants, they are house refugees who while they are more likely to be Muslim, aren't exclusively Muslim (there are after all some Christians who are refugees as well). Geez I wonder why Pamela Geller would frame it that way? This is exactly why I wouldn't click her website. She is a fear mongering bigot. Also they aren't seizing her home, that implies that she owns it. She is renting a place and they gave her a 7 month notice that she would need to move out. Not exactly my idea of seizing. I will say that I am not sure that the government can do it because Germany does have very strong laws that protect renters so it will be interesting to see what happens. The question is will she fight it?

So for local examples that are somewhat similar but different during the housing boom here (2005-2007) I know of at least two people (still under their 1 year contract) who were living in apartments in Scottsdale, that got notices that they had 30 days to move out because the apartments were becoming Condos, and unless they wanted to buy their "condo" they had to move out. Not sure if it was "legal" but there were some apartments around here that tried it so that they could make more money.
 

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She has until MAY OF NEXT YEAR TO MOVE. That is FAR from being "forced out" to make room for "Muslim migrants". She has, what, 8 months? This is NOT like Nazi Germany, where they forced out Jews from their homes that moment, literally. Don't get it twisted.

No twisting here. The government is forcing her (a German citizen) to move out of her residence because her building will be used to house migrants (non citizens). And you find no problem with this?
 

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No twisting here. The government is forcing her (a German citizen) to move out of her residence because her building will be used to house migrants (non citizens). And you find no problem with this?

I can't answer for him but for me:
There is a difference between someone owning the home and someone renting the place. Not a fan of what the government is doing, but I think it is important to make a distinction between renting and owning and being forced to leave (especially with 7+ months notice). If she owned it I would be outraged, since she doesn't own it and the government is giving plenty of notice, than there is significantly less to be upset over.
 

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I can't answer for him but for me:
There is a difference between someone owning the home and someone renting the place. Not a fan of what the government is doing, but I think it is important to make a distinction between renting and owning and being forced to leave (especially with 7+ months notice). If she owned it I would be outraged, since she doesn't own it and the government is giving plenty of notice, than there is significantly less to be upset over.

So the question becomes: who owns the property and does the government have legal authority to do what they're doing? In any country, this is pure shit and I feel bad for the woman.
 

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So the question becomes: who owns the property and does the government have legal authority to do what they're doing? In any country, this is pure shit and I feel bad for the woman.

This is done all the time in this country. We build roads. rail lines, pipelines, buildings etc. and displace people who live on the land. I don't see why this is nearly as big a deal as you are making it to be.
 
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