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I didn't know all the "corporations" gave you the green light to speak for them.

As for the self driving cars, that's one thing. Looked like a cool scene in the movie I Robot. Let me know when corporations like Frito Lay, Urban Outfitters, Under Armour, and Kellogg's are ready to fully replace humans with robots behind the wheel.

Even the article that pkt linked discussed the technology that would help drivers, not replace them.
Did I say all corporations? Take a gander with your Google machine at the billion-dollar corporations racing towards the technology.

I get it though, driving a truck takes some skill. I have a Class A CDL myself. But when research teams, corporations, investment banks speak casually about the wave of technological progress coming...you think they're just talking out of their ass? They are putting their money where their mouth is.
 

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Wasn't Milton Friedman in full support of a guaranteed minimum income?

It's pretty simple from a libertarian/conservative point of view: an individual know more about how to spend money in their life than the government, so instead of dozens of inefficient and often redundant social welfare programs, just guarantee a minimum income for everyone. We're basically already giving people the money via welfare, tax credits, etc; this just simplifies it all.
Yeah, it's better than what we have now. Still not good.
 

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Have any data to back that up? I have a hard time believing there are fewer total bank employees today than there were in 1985 for example.

And if you think banks are not more efficient and profitable from the rise of ATMs then why exactly do they use them? If the organization is more efficient and profitable, that means the employees are more productive.

I really don't see how people think that pushing for $15 minimum wages with FICA and health care costs stacked on top does nothing but accelerate a move to automation. People talk out of both sides of their mouth expecting that burger flippers deserve a "living wage" (a nebulous moving target that is never enough) but cannot fathom how paying everyone more does not have consequences?

First off, that is the wrong measure. Total bank employees probably have grown since 1985 but that isn't the question (the population has also increased by almost 80 million), the point is that frontline positions like tellers have been replaced (by advances in technology) since 1985. Hell they have been replaced at a drastic rate. I spent 8 years working in branch management for a large national bank. Advances in software let our tellers process more transactions faster which led to us needing less tellers. More and more customers bank online (something like 25%-33% of our customers did not come into branches) thanks to advances in technology. ATMs and even more advanced self-service machines are being added all the time.

Banks redefine role of teller in move toward technology

Bank Tellers Battle Obsolescence - WSJ

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That graph just takes us to 2013, it is going down even faster by my estimation.
 
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Your argument is horribly flawed, improved productivity through technology redirects resources to other pursuits. A self driving truck would allow the operator to do a ton of things other than stare blankly at the road. Could be lining up his next job, calling/texting/emailing updates to customers on ETA, eating a sandwich so he doesn't have to stop. Whole pile of things that increase utilization of a capital asset and make them more efficient at their job, thus increasing their value and ability to make more money.

I disagree entirely. This used to by my position too though.

I mean the general argument people seem to be making is that the service sector is going to be experience the precipitous jump in technological efficiency that agriculture and manufacturing have already experienced.

Also I think it's crucial to point out that we don't have to automate every damn job, that's not really being discussed. When a great economy is 4% unemployment and an awful one is 10%, what happens when, say, half the country can't get a decent job?
 

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Have any data to back that up? I have a hard time believing there are fewer total bank employees today than there were in 1985 for example.

And if you think banks are not more efficient and profitable from the rise of ATMs then why exactly do they use them? If the organization is more efficient and profitable, that means the employees are more productive.

I really don't see how people think that pushing for $15 minimum wages with FICA and health care costs stacked on top does nothing but accelerate a move to automation. People talk out of both sides of their mouth expecting that burger flippers deserve a "living wage" (a nebulous moving target that is never enough) but cannot fathom how paying everyone more does not have consequences?

Just think about it in common sense. I'm willing to bet that almost all of us on here get our paychecks direct deposited. Therefore, there is no need to walk into the bank (or through the drive-thru) and have a teller physically cash/deposit our checks. There goes one need for someone to physically work there.

Next think about what having access to an ATM/mobile banking means to all of us. If I need to get cash out of my account, but it's 8PM I don't have to say, welp I'm out of luck. No, I go to the ATM and use the automatic machine to retrieve money. On top of that, the technology within the machine/database will automatically update my account for me. No need to use a teller then.

Second while using ATMs does require an IT department and technicians to service them, let's not act like Mrs. Smith who has worked for the bank for 30 years part time while her kids when to school will be able to make a transition to that job when the bank eliminates her teller position. Therefore, while the replacement of one job can create another (though it's doubtful the ratio of job loss:job gain in this instance is 1:1) that person will not be able to move into the new position because they lack those skills necessary.
 

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So the country has 80 million more people and a 5% unemployment rate but our labor force is completely screwed. Got it.

Haves versus have nots has always been a thing. Here is a hint, do your best to be a "HAVE"!! It ain't through debt fueled spending and lack of education, for those of you that need a nudge in the right direction.
 

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In further ATM related news. Some cranksters cut the bolts off the steel security door gate to the local dive bar where I live, broke in and stole the ATM machine.
 

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Haves versus have nots has always been a thing. Here is a hint, do your best to be a "HAVE"!! It ain't through debt fueled spending and lack of education, for those of you that need a nudge in the right direction.

It's not that simple.

Haves vs have nots has always been a thing since the beginning of time and will be until the end of time.

However, IN THIS COUNTRY, it's been getting progressively worse for the last 30+ years, and it's worse now than it's ever been since the 1920's This is a major problem. We should be moving forward, not backwards as a country, and it's a gross over-simplification to just say, hey...try your best to be a have!
 

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So the country has 80 million more people and a 5% unemployment rate but our labor force is completely screwed. Got it.

Haves versus have nots has always been a thing. Here is a hint, do your best to be a "HAVE"!! It ain't through debt fueled spending and lack of education, for those of you that need a nudge in the right direction.

LOL. Weren't you the one yesterday pointing out the large percentage of older (55-65) people on SSDI? I also hear conservatives tell me all the time how our "real" unemployment is 10-15%. There is no doubt that automation is costing our economy jobs, and unfortunately that will only accelerate in the future.

Finally I hope that last part isn't aimed at me as you know shit about me.
 

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LOL. Weren't you the one yesterday pointing out the large percentage of older (55-65) people on SSDI? I also hear conservatives tell me all the time how our "real" unemployment is 10-15%. There is no doubt that automation is costing our economy jobs, and unfortunately that will only accelerate in the future.

Finally I hope that last part isn't aimed at me as you know shit about me.

I know you like ND football and good booze.
 
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Flood Slams South Carolina's Already Crumbling Infrastructure
10/07/2015
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COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Long before the historic floods of the past week, crumbling roads, bridges and dams and aging drinking water systems plagued South Carolina — a poor state that didn't spend much on them in the first place and has been loath to raise taxes for upkeep.
Now the state faces hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars' worth of additional bills to fix or replace key pieces of its devastated infrastructure.

As the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy and other disasters shows, the federal government will cover much of the costs, but isn't going to pay for all of it.

"You're not going to have people down there tomorrow giving out money," said Gerry Galloway , a civil engineering professor at the University of Maryland .

It will take weeks or months to document the full extent of the damage, and to find out how much federal aid is coming South Carolina's way. That aid likely will come with requirements that bridges and dams be built to stronger, more expensive standards.

So the Republican-controlled state's leaders — who recently shot down a business-backed effort to get an extra $400 million a year for roads by raising some taxes and lowering others — likely will have to grit their teeth and come up with matching funds.

In the meantime, barricades will be blocking commutes for a long while.

A former trucker, Jerod Anderson currently drives a car to take pictures used in street mapping software, so he knows his way around. But just getting to and from his house in the swampy area of Richland County , he's found road after road barricaded and driven miles on alternate routes only to find the next bridge closed.

He nearly reached the breaking point Tuesday when he drove into Columbia on a route several miles longer than usual, then found out it was closed when he tried to go back that way several hours later.

"I've accepted that it is just going to be difficult," Anderson said. "But I'm not happy about it."

Workers have fanned out across the state looking at bridges, but right now it is mostly just informal inspections to see if it is obvious that a bridge or road should be shut down.

South Carolina Department of Transportation worker Radames Zambrana was at a bridge Wednesday where flood waters washed out the support underneath. He was getting ready to request big barricades be put up instead of the small traffic cones to make sure no one drove on the intact pavement, supported by almost nothing.

"I'm seeing this everywhere," Zambrana said, pointing at the gaping hole under the bridge where soil was washed away.

About 260 roads and 150 bridges remained closed Wednesday, many of them washed out, according to the Transportation Department .

South Carolina depends almost entirely on its gas tax to fund highway maintenance, and it hasn't raised its gas tax since 1987. Even before the floods, 20 percent of the state's 8,300 bridges were rated structurally deficient or structurally obsolete, and a road advocacy group made up of business leaders estimated it would take $500 million extra a year just to patch the pothole-dotted roads that shake vehicles as they drive over them.

The state periodically closed deteriorated bridges until they could be repaired, and even heading down interstates and major highways could rattle cars so violently they need frequent alignments. Over the past several years, the state has paid tens of millions of dollars to settle claims over vehicles damaged by potholes or poorly maintained roads.

South Carolina's poor spending may have made the problems from the flood even worse, the rushing water a final blow against crumbling structures, said Galloway, the Maryland professor.

State officials reported at least 11 small dams have failed in a state where some 200 dams are considered high-hazard, meaning they could significantly threaten life and property if breached. The state spends less than $200,000 a year on dam safety.

Drinking water supplies, too, have gone wanting. Some customers have sued the state's capital and largest city, Columbia , for diverting water system profits to pay for economic development projects even though the Environmental Protection Agency had ordered $700 million in fixes to the aging system.

Now the city is using giant sandbags dropped by National Guard helicopters to try to plug a canal breach that threatens its entire water supply. It's also scrambling to repair a slew of water main breaks that left tens of thousands of customers with empty taps.

Gov. Nikki Haley made South Carolina a promise Tuesday: "We're not going to stop until we get everything back up and fixed again," she said.

But she wouldn't get into where the money will come from.

If Congress decides to consider a special relief bill, South Carolina could face a different kind of payback. Five of the state's six U.S. House members and both U.S. senators voted against an aid package for northeastern states after Hurricane Sandy in 2012.

Another storm that waylaid the Northeast the year before might give a hint to South Carolina's future. Widespread flooding from Tropical Storm Irene in August 2011 severely damaged infrastructure in 225 of Vermont's 251 towns, wrecking more than 300 bridges, 500 miles of state highways and 2,200 segments of town roads.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has directed more than $210 million to Vermont for public assistance that includes infrastructure repairs. The Federal Highway Administration has provided about $150 million in additional aid, according to Vermont officials.

To get federal dollars, states often must chip in some of their own money. Vermont , which had been building up a funding shortfall even before Irene, raised its gas tax by about 6 cents a gallon in 2013 as it was in danger failing to meet its required match for federal highway funding.

Ultimately, the storm improved Vermont's infrastructure by forcing the replacement of some bridges that had stood for 80 years and several that had been rated as structurally deficient.

Some of Louisiana's roads also have been rebuilt bigger and better after Hurricane Katrina devastated the state in 2005. The twin 5.4-mile bridges that carry Interstate 10 over Lake Pontchartrain originally had been built in 1965 with two lanes in each direction. The new $769 million , federally funded bridges have three lanes carrying traffic into and out of New Orleans .

"It's wider, it's taller, it's stronger," said Rodney Mallett , a spokesman for the Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development . "This bridge would be able to withstand something the likes of Katrina."

Lieb reported from Jefferson City, Missouri . Associated Press reporter Wilson Ring in Montpelier, Vermont , contributed to this report.

Follow Jeffrey Collins on Twitter at http://twitter.com/JSCollinsAP and David A. Lieb at http://twitter.com/DavidALieb .
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I guess we will see what the politicians decide to do and where they are at. Graham is already begging for Fed money yet voted no to giving relief for Hurricane Sandy. Typical.

Haley says she won't stop until its fixed but has not said how or where the money will come from.
 

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It's not that simple.

Haves vs have nots has always been a thing since the beginning of time and will be until the end of time.

However, IN THIS COUNTRY, it's been getting progressively worse for the last 30+ years, and it's worse now than it's ever been since the 1920's This is a major problem. We should be moving forward, not backwards as a country, and it's a gross over-simplification to just say, hey...try your best to be a have!

Let's look at Italians and Irish for example. Are they significantly worse off than they were in 1920? How were Asians treated around 1945? Didn't woman's suffrage used to be a thing. Seems "I had a dream" about some other demographic that I am forgetting about too....

I have this great pitchbook that has a big section on historical context. I might double my post count today.
 

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Dramatic Decrease in Global Violence

Percentage of World Population that was killed in specific world events:

1206-1227 Genghis Khan - 11.1%
755-763 An Lushan Rebellion - 5.9%
9-24 Xin Dynasty - 5.9%
1370-1405 Timur 4.7%
1939-1945 World War II - 3.7%
1914-1918 World War I - 1.9%
1955-1975 Vietnam War - 0.1%
2001-2014 All 21st Century Conflicts - 0.01%

"The decline in violence may be the most significant and least appreciated development in the history of our species." Steven Pinker, Psychologist, Harvard University

Source: Statistics on Violent Conflict, 2013
 

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Global Educated Middle Class

Size of Global Literate Population
1950 - 56%
1960 - 61%
1970 - 63%
1980 - 70%
1990 - 75%
2000 - 82%
2010 - 84%

Size of Global Middle Class (as % of total population)
1965 29%
2005 39%
2025E 53%

Source: Middle Class Data - Brookings Institute 2012, Population Data - World Bank Health Nutrition and Population Statistics
 

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Global GDP Growth

US Percentage of World GDP - total world GDP
1960 - 40% of $1.3 trillion total GDP
1990 - 26% of $22.2 trillion total
2013 - 22% of $75.6 trillion total

People living n less than $2/day (in 2005 purchasing power parity)
As a % of world population
1980 - 69.6%
1990 - 64.6%
2000 - 57.4%
2010 - 43.0%

Source: World Bank 2013
 

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The Good Old Days (myth)

1950s
Average American Home - 983 SF with 3.5 residents - 55% home ownership
Tech - 10% own televisions at average (infl adj) cost of $2100, 60% own landline telephones, 0% Air conditioning, 0% computers (obvious to most)
Income/Education - $11,000 average earnings (2008 dollars), 41% high school graduation rate, 8% college graduation rate
Quality of Life - 68 years life expectancy, 50% of seniors in poverty, 75% of African-Americans in poverty, ZERO years average retirement

2013
Average Home - 2349 SF with 2.5 residents, 80% home ownership
Technology - 95% own TVs at $500 average cost, 90% cell phones, 90% A/C, 75% have computers
Income/Education - $44,000 average earnings, 88% high school grad rate, 31% college grad rate
Quality of Life - 78 years life expectancy, 9% seniors in poverty, 27% African American poverty, 12 years average retirement
 

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"Great Recession" was like the Great Depression?

Depression vs Recession

Length of Economic Contraction
43 months versus 18 months

Drop in Industrial Production
51.7% versus 14.9%

Peak Unemployment Rate
24.8% versus 9.9%

Change in CPI
-27.2% versus +1.5%

Number of Bank Failures
9096 (50% of banks) versus 57 (0.6% of banks)

Drop in Dow Jones Industrial Average
89.2% versus 53.8%
 

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The American Dream is Alive and Well

Millionaires - 80% did not inherit more than 10% of their wealth

Billionaires - On which base were Forbes 400 members born.
On Deck Circle - 38% came from lower or middle class background
1st Base - 22% inherited less than $1 million or start up capital from a family member
2nd Base - 12% Inherited money or company or startup capital in excess of $1 million
3rd base - 7% inherited more than $50 million in cash or prosperous company
Home Run - 21% Inherited sufficient sums to make the list


I take this to add up to 60% making it happen on their own.
 

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"In the 20th Century, the US endured two world wars... the Depression, a dozen or so recessions and financial panics, oil shocks, a flu epidemic and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497." Warren Buffett 10-17-08

"I have lived through some terrible things in my life, some of which have actually happened." - Mark Twain
 

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How are we going to handle all of those Baby Boomers?

Perception -
Age 20-39 - 25%
Age 59+ - 50%
Age 40-59 - 25%


Reality
Age 20-39 = 82.2 million
Age 59+ = 59.0 million
Age 40-59 = 85.2 million

Ten most common ages in the US - 23, 24, 20, 21, 22, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29
 

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Income and Unemployment Levels Reflect Educational Attainment

Earnings and Unemployment by Educational Attainment

No High School Diploma
$24,500 - 11.0%

High School Diploma
$33,900 - 7.5%

Bachelor's Degree
$57,600 - 4.0%

Professional Degree
$89,100 - 2.3%


Average Debt by Educational Attainment
Bachelor Degree - Graduate Degree

1998
$12k - $25k

2001
$12k - $27k

2004
$14k - $28k

2007
$17k - $29k

2010
$16k - $41k


As of June 2013 - Brookings Institutions and Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances
 

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LOL. Weren't you the one yesterday pointing out the large percentage of older (55-65) people on SSDI? I also hear conservatives tell me all the time how our "real" unemployment is 10-15%. There is no doubt that automation is costing our economy jobs, and unfortunately that will only accelerate in the future.

Finally I hope that last part isn't aimed at me as you know shit about me.

See the stats above. If you take my statements of fact as personal attacks, that probably means you are a liberal.

The SSDI statement of fact is a contributor to the Labor Force Participation Rate that is at a 40 year low. A lower percentage of people are working than any point since women entered the work force in mass. Part of the reason for that is that they don't NEED to work. You can't honestly tell me that 1 out of 6 people age 55 - 65 are physically incapable of any work. That may have been true 100 years ago when jobs were more physically demanding but for that to be the case today is a complete farce. And SSDI is up dramatically for every age group over the last 30 years. It is a victimless crime, stealing from the government.
 

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Dramatic Decrease in Global Violence

Percentage of World Population that was killed in specific world events:

1206-1227 Genghis Khan - 11.1%
755-763 An Lushan Rebellion - 5.9%
9-24 Xin Dynasty - 5.9%
1370-1405 Timur 4.7%
1939-1945 World War II - 3.7%
1914-1918 World War I - 1.9%
1955-1975 Vietnam War - 0.1%
2001-2014 All 21st Century Conflicts - 0.01%

"The decline in violence may be the most significant and least appreciated development in the history of our species." Steven Pinker, Psychologist, Harvard University



Source: Statistics on Violent Conflict, 2013

Should we reduce the size of our own military and military budget accordingly?
 

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The Good Old Days (myth)

1950s
Average American Home - 983 SF with 3.5 residents - 55% home ownership
Tech - 10% own televisions at average (infl adj) cost of $2100, 60% own landline telephones, 0% Air conditioning, 0% computers (obvious to most)
Income/Education - $11,000 average earnings (2008 dollars), 41% high school graduation rate, 8% college graduation rate
Quality of Life - 68 years life expectancy, 50% of seniors in poverty, 75% of African-Americans in poverty, ZERO years average retirement

2013
Average Home - 2349 SF with 2.5 residents, 80% home ownership
Technology - 95% own TVs at $500 average cost, 90% cell phones, 90% A/C, 75% have computers
Income/Education - $44,000 average earnings, 88% high school grad rate, 31% college grad rate
Quality of Life - 78 years life expectancy, 9% seniors in poverty, 27% African American poverty, 12 years average retirement

What these numbers say to me is that all those bad liberal policies from the 40's, 50's 60's and 70's actually worked.
 
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Let's look at Italians and Irish for example. Are they significantly worse off than they were in 1920? How were Asians treated around 1945? Didn't woman's suffrage used to be a thing. Seems "I had a dream" about some other demographic that I am forgetting about too....

I have this great pitchbook that has a big section on historical context. I might double my post count today.

Please include Native Americans and African Americans in your analysis. Also break out Asian Americans by ethnicity (Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese...)

It would also be worthwhile to discuss the institutions and actions that enabled the Irish and Italians to become better off. I don't think it was becoming more like the WASP's (which was an argument LAX floated awhile back). Now, if they had faced institutionalized racist policies of the intensity of Jim Crow, Redlining and the War On Drugs and the level of racial violence and discrimination that African Americans faced would those two ethnic groups have attained the same levels of success?

I'm not saying progress has not been made but it is easy to argue that a huge segment of the African American population and Native American population has been left in the dust and the same institutions and avenues of power that helped European ethnics like the Irish and Italians either no longer exist in a meaningful way and or are much harder to access.
 
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See the stats above. If you take my statements of fact as personal attacks, that probably means you are a liberal.

The SSDI statement of fact is a contributor to the Labor Force Participation Rate that is at a 40 year low. A lower percentage of people are working than any point since women entered the work force in mass. Part of the reason for that is that they don't NEED to work. You can't honestly tell me that 1 out of 6 people age 55 - 65 are physically incapable of any work. That may have been true 100 years ago when jobs were more physically demanding but for that to be the case today is a complete farce. And SSDI is up dramatically for every age group over the last 30 years. It is a victimless crime, stealing from the government.

My point is that some of them tried and got on SSDI, is because they couldn't find jobs which drove the unemployment rate down (which makes it a factor in the unemployment rate being so low which you used as proof that automation wasn't stealing jobs). What is making it harder for people to find jobs? Well there is a couple of things, employers are making due with less employees, and increasing technology has made it possible to do so in many cases. When people get laid off and can't find a job, they do things like apply for SSDI (especially when their unemployment gets close to running out), especially if they are close to retirement. Whether that is right or wrong is a different question. Again, there is no doubt that automation is taking jobs more and more jobs (well except by you).

Also your argument about 100 years ago jobs were harder, is true but you have massive problem with that argument. Life expectancy around the turn of the century was under 50 (and even adjusting for the higher infant mortality rate only gets you to about 52 on average). So many people didn't live long enough to have that become an issue. A significant part of the population never made it to 55. Also SSDI didn't exist back then so we don't know how many of them would have tried to take advantage of it, if it was available to them.
 
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