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[pkt77242]

...I didn't laugh.

The first time a dude enters the girls locker room at my Kid's school (with the blessing of the powers that be), I'm going to have a serious problem, and then they are.

Its about privacy, and the convention is based on plumbing...PERIOD! You have a Penis, you go the the boys' locker room...don't care if you are gay, bi, feel you have the wrong equipment...whatever. You have a vagina, you go to the girl's locker room...don't care if you are gay, bi, feel you have the wrong equipment...whatever. You have both, or a mix of organs, special arrangements shall be made.

What if they have had surgery to change their gender? Would you still feel the same?

 

[EddytoNow]

Huckabee: I wish I could've ID'd as female in HS gym - CNNPolitics.com

And some people will actually vote for this guy in the Republican primaries?

 

[NDgradstudent]

And some people will actually vote for this guy in the Republican primaries?

It is now legal to do what he describes in several Democratic states.

The point about the former Bruce Jenner is that you must approve; dissent will not be tolerated. It is like living in an Orwellian state, where the government and media insist that you affirm obvious falsehoods. And why does it do this? Because a society of emasculated liars is easier to control.

 

[EddytoNow]

It is now legal to do what he describes in several Democratic states.

The point about the former Bruce Jenner is that you must approve; dissent will not be tolerated. It is like living in an Orwellian state, where the government and media insist that you affirm obvious falsehoods. And why does it do this? Because a society of emasculated liars is easier to control.

Voyeurism?

 

[NDgradstudent]

Voyeurism?

No, it is legal for a man who claims to be a woman but is not in fact a woman to use a female restroom, locker room, etc., including in public schools. Were you unaware of the latest developments in the revolution? Do you need to be re-educated?

 

[woolybug25]

No, it is legal for a man who claims to be a woman but is not in fact a woman to use a female restroom, locker room, etc., including in public schools. Were you unaware of the latest developments in the revolution? Do you need to be re-educated?

The way you phrase your comments and tone of your posts is very off-putting. You are a very unlikeable poster.

 

[pkt77242]

No, it is legal for a man who claims to be a woman but is not in fact a woman to use a female restroom, locker room, etc., including in public schools. Were you unaware of the latest developments in the revolution? Do you need to be re-educated?

Do you really think that a teenage boy would claim to be transgendered to get a look at girls in the locker room? Do you understand the mental and physical abuse that a teenage transgendered person goes through?

 

[NDgradstudent]

The way you phrase your comments and tone of your posts is very off-putting. You are a very unlikeable poster.

No denying what I said is true, though. Arguments are about the truth, not how likeable the person making the argument is.

Do you really think that a teenage boy would claim to be transgendered to get a look at girls in the locker room? Do you understand the mental and physical abuse that a teenage transgendered person goes through?

You are certain that this would never happen? I thought that the whole point about "gender identity" is that it is not up to you to say what another person's gender identity is. So anybody can claim to feel like a member of the opposite sex and go into a public restroom for a member of that sex (including in a public school). The point is that it is now lawful to do this in several states- and anybody who complains will be subject to human resources sensitivity training (re-education).

 

[ACamp1900]

I can see some genetically cursed (Unattractive and awkward) teen saying whatever it is he needs to say to get to see teenage females undress... absolutely.

 

[woolybug25]

No denying what I said is true, though. Arguments are about the truth, not how likeable the person making the argument is.

As you get older, you will eventually find out that how likeable you are has a lot to do with whether people are receptive to you and/or respect your opinion. For instance, I do disagree with you on this point, but I am not going to listen to your argument, discuss the topic or debate anything with you simply because I don't like you.

So it really doesn't matter if it's "truth" or if you're right. Because you are that unlikeable that it renders your opinion useless to me. There's a life lesson here.

 

[ACamp1900]

Because you are that unlikeable that it renders your opinion useless to me. There's a life lesson here.

ironic...

 

[phgreek]

What if they have had surgery to change their gender? Would you still feel the same?

I don't think I said I cared how they acquired the equipment. Let me reiterate,

Its about privacy, and the convention is based on plumbing...PERIOD! You have a Penis, you go the the boys' locker room...don't care if you are gay, bi, feel you have the wrong equipment...whatever. You have a vagina, you go to the girl's locker room...don't care if you are gay, bi, feel you have the wrong equipment...whatever. You have both, or a mix of organs, special arrangements shall be made.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm curious as to the board's thoughts on gender procedures for children (17 and younger) in general...

 

[phgreek]

I'm curious as to the board's thoughts on gender procedures for children (17 and younger) in general...

My first thought is, pre-pubescent surgery is probably a bad idea. Once they stabilize at 18 or so, I'd think that would be safer/better...

But medical folks could probably better speak to that...

 

[woolybug25]

I'm curious as to the board's thoughts on gender procedures for children (17 and younger) in general...

I think it should be okay to give kids hormones, but not physically alter them (ie gender reassignment surgery) until they are 18 years old and can legally consent on their own. I also think that in order to get the hormones, the child needs to get written permission from a psychologist and maintain psychiatric care throughout prescription until 18 years old.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

My first thought is, pre-pubescent surgery is probably a bad idea. Once they stabilize at 18 or so, I'd think that would be safer/better...

But medical folks could probably better speak to that...

Any parent who would inflict irreversible hormone therapies (which generally result in sterility) or surgical mutilation on an otherwise physically healthy child is morally depraved. It's child abuse of the worst kind. Gender identity disorder in children is heavily linked with emerging homosexual urges:

According to limited studies, the majority of children diagnosed with GID cease to desire to be the other sex by puberty, with most growing up to identify as gay or lesbian with or without therapeutic intervention.

John Hopkins University, which pioneered gender reassignment surgery in the 1960s, stopped offering the procedure because "[m]ost of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery... [p]roducing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs."

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Those suffering from it deserve our charity, but we do them no favors when we indulge their delusion; and we do great harm to our society by valorizing people like Jenner. If we feel compelled to bless what Jenner has done to himself, how should we react to the transabled-- perfectly healthy people who voluntarily dismember themselves in order to become disabled?

Forgive me for continuing to beat this drum, but this all comes down to religion. The acceptance of SSM and now transgenderism has been so rapid because it has deep roots in the Cult of the Autonomous Individual upon which secular liberalism is built. This is not the trailing edge of the Civil Rights movement, but the leading edge of transhumanism, which is going to have terrifying consequences for humanity.

 

[wizards8507]

Any parent who would inflict irreversible hormone therapies or surgical mutilation on an otherwise physically healthy child is morally depraved. It's child abuse of the worst kind. Gender identity disorder in children is heavily linked with emerging homosexual urges:



John Hopkins University, which pioneered gender reassignment surgery in the 1960s, stopped offering the procedure because "[m]ost of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery... [p]roducing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs."

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Those suffering from it deserve our charity, but we do them no favors when we indulge their delusion; and we do great harm to our society by valorizing people like Jenner. If we feel compelled to bless what Jenner has done to himself, how should we react to the transabled-- perfectly healthy people who voluntarily dismember themselves in order to become disabled?

Forgive me for continuing to beat this drum, but this all comes down to religion. The acceptance of SSM and now transgenderism has been so rapid because it has deep roots in the Cult of the Autonomous Individual upon which secular liberalism is built. This is not the trailing edge of the Civil Rights movement, but the leading edge of transhumanism, which is going to have terrifying consequences for humanity.

You had me until the last paragraph, but we've had that argument already so let's just say we agree on this issue. Gender dysphoria is absolutely a mental health issue. Rather than trying to make "the outside match the inside," we should be exploring and treating why the individual believes a falsehood to be true in the first place.

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[phgreek]

Any parent who would inflict irreversible hormone therapies or surgical mutilation on an otherwise physically healthy child is morally depraved. It's child abuse of the worst kind. Gender identity disorder in children is heavily linked with emerging homosexual urges:



John Hopkins University, which pioneered gender reassignment surgery in the 1960s, stopped offering the procedure because "[m]ost of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery... [p]roducing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs."

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Those suffering from it deserve our charity, but we do them no favors when we indulge their delusion; and we do great harm to our society by valorizing people like Jenner. If we feel compelled to bless what Jenner has done to himself, how should we react to the transabled-- perfectly healthy people who voluntarily dismember themselves in order to become disabled?

Forgive me for continuing to beat this drum, but this all comes down to religion. The acceptance of SSM and now transgenderism has been so rapid because it has deep roots in the Cult of the Autonomous Individual upon which secular liberalism is built. This is not the trailing edge of the Civil Rights movement, but the leading edge of transhumanism, which is going to have terrifying consequences for humanity.

...no argument here...

I was merely looking at it from the "clinical" sense with the assumption that the decision to have such surgery was determined. So I tried to limit my answer to physical and emotional "risks" related to age.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You had me until the last paragraph, but we've had that argument already so let's just say we agree on this issue.

Here's an article from The Spectator's Brendan O'Neill (Progressive, atheist) titled "Call me Caitlyn, or else: the rise of authoritarian transgender politics":

The Vanity Fair photo of Bruce Jenner in a boob-enhancing swimsuit is being described as iconic. Bruce, one-time American athlete, now wants to be known as Caitlyn, having recently undergone some gender transitioning. And he’s using the cover of the latest Vanity Fair to make his ‘debut as a woman’. Next to the headline ‘Call me Caitlyn’, he’s all photoshopped svelteness, pampered hair and look-at-me breasts, in what many experts are already describing as ‘an iconic image in magazine history’.

The photo is indeed iconic. And not just in the shallow celeb meaning of that word. It’s iconic in the traditional sense, too, in that it’s being venerated as an actual icon, a devotional image of an apparently holy human. It’s an image we’re all expected to bow down to, whose essential truth we must imbibe; an image you question or ridicule at your peril, with those who refuse to genuflect before it facing excommunication from polite society. Yesterday’s Jennermania confirms how weirdly authoritarian, even idolatrous, trans politics has become.

There is a palpable religiosity to the wild hailing of Bruce/Caitlyn as a modern-day saint, a Virgin Mary with testicles. Within four hours, more than a million people were following Bruce/Caitlyn’s new Twitter account, hanging on her words like the expectant horde waiting for Moses at the foot of Mount Sinai. Her every utterance, all banal celeb-speak, was retweeted tens of thousands of times. Celebs and commentators greeted her as a kind of messiah. ‘We’ve been waiting for you with open arms’, said an overexcited editor at Buzzfeed. Across the Twittersphere Caitlyn was worshipped as a ‘goddess’, a ‘goddess in human form’, a ‘goddess made manifest on Earth’. ‘Caitlyn Jenner could fucking stab me right now and leave me for dead and I’d die fucking overjoyed we are not WORTHY OF THIS GODDESS’, said one trans tweeter, and she wasn’t joking.

In the media, the talk is of how Caitlyn and her iconic likeness might give an adrenalin shot to humanity itself. A writer for the Guardian describes Caitlyn as a ‘queen’ and instructs us to ‘bow down, bitches’, telling us her icon on the front of Vanity Fair is ‘life-affirming’. Treating Caitlyn as a kind of Christ figure, only in a push-up bra rather than smock, Ellen DeGeneres says this goddess brings ‘hope for the world’, and we should all try to be ‘as brave as Caitlyn’. Susan Sarandon celebrated Bruce/Caitlyn’s mysterious ‘rebirth’ while Demi Moore thanked him/her for sharing with humanity ‘the gift of your beautiful authentic self’. A writer for the Huff Post says the name Caitlyn means ‘pure’ – ‘what a perfect meaning, right?’ Truly, yes, for St Caitlyn, reborn to educate us all, is most pure.

With its millions of agog followers, its worship of an iconic image, its insistence we all ‘bow down’, the Cult of Caitlyn gives Catholic mariolatry a run for its money in the blind-devotion stakes. And of course, as with all venerated icons, anyone who refuses to recognise the truth of Caitlyn’s Vanity Fair cover has faced mob punishment or finger-wagging corrections of their goddess-defying blasphemy.

So when Drake Bell, a former American child star, tweeted ‘Sorry… still calling you Bruce’, he became the subject of global fury. The Cult of Caitlyn went insane. Even after Bell deleted his blasphemous comment, tweeters mauled him, suggesting he deactivate his Twitter account, or better still, ‘deactivate his life’. Meanwhile, a Twitter robot called @she_not_he has been set up to correct any ‘misgendering’ of Caitlyn. Winning high praise from much of the media, this bot is ‘scrubbing Twitter, looking for anyone who uses the “he” pronoun in conjunction with Caitlyn Jenner’s name’. The bot’s inventor says he is delighted that these misgendering miscreants have been ‘apologetic in their replies to the bot’, and ‘some have even deleted their original tweet’.

In short, they’ve repented. Just as those who denied the divinity of Christ were once expected to recant their heresy, so those who deny the gender of Caitlyn Jenner are hounded by bots into apologising for their moral error. The American gay-rights group GLAAD is scouring the mainstream media for any use of the word ‘he’ in relation to Caitlyn, like a modern incarnation of the Vatican’s Index Librorum Prohibitorum, which monitored the public sphere for any less-than-gushing commentary on God. It has issued speech-policing guidelines for the media. ‘DON’T refer to her by her former name… DO avoid using male pronouns and Caitlyn’s prior name, even when referring to events in her past.’

The worship of Caitlyn, and the hectoring of anyone who refuses to scrape before her icon, has graphically exposed the intolerant edge to trans thinking. The insistence that we not only refer to Bruce/Caitlyn as ‘she’ but also project this backwards – recognising, in the words of the Guardian, that she has ‘always been a woman’ – is borderline Orwellian. It’s a rewriting of history, a memory-holing of old inconvenient facts. Strikingly, the Guardian writer says people like Bruce/Caitlyn have ‘always been women… even when they were “fathering” children’. Notice it’s the ‘fathering’ bit that is in scare quotes, suggesting it wasn’t real, while the description of Bruce as a woman is treated as an incontestable truth. War is peace, freedom is slavery, man is woman.

This trans Orwellianism is increasingly finding expression in the law itself. In Ireland last year, a trans woman won the right to have her sex changed to female on her actual birth certificate. This is alarming. The midwife who said ‘This is a boy’ when this trans woman was born was telling the truth, and that truth was recorded on a public document. No matter — truth and history are putty in the hands of the trans lobby. Just as Big Brother thinks it can force people to accept that 2 + 2 = 5, so trans activists want us to chant: ‘Bruce Jenner is a woman and has always been a woman, even when she was producing sperm, impregnating women, and winning gold medals in men’s sports.’ And the small matter of Bruce’s birth certificate, his proven paternity of children? Forget all that; shove it down the memory hole.

What the Cult of Caitlyn confirms, beyond a doubt, is that there is nothing progressive in trans politics. It is shrill, censorious, unreal, demanding compliance, punishing dissent. Progressives should reject it. Jesus was not the Son of God, Bruce Jenner is not a woman, and, I’m sorry, but 2 + 2 = 4, and it always will.

You may disagree that your own socio-political views share the same metaphysical presuppositions, but I don't think there's any doubt that this issue is essentially religious.

 

[EddytoNow]

No, it is legal for a man who claims to be a woman but is not in fact a woman to use a female restroom, locker room, etc., including in public schools. Were you unaware of the latest developments in the revolution? Do you need to be re-educated?

Obviously, my Catholic education which encouraged acceptance and a non-judgmental attitude concerning individuals who may differ from me was far different from your education. In regards to your offer to re-educate me, I think I'll pass. I prefer the education that I received to the one you seem to be offering.

 

[wizards8507]

Obviously, my Catholic education which encouraged acceptance and a non-judgmental attitude concerning individuals who may differ from me was far different from your education. In regards to your offer to re-educate me, I think I'll pass. I prefer the education that I received to the one you seem to be offering.

If I believe that I'm a walrus, that does not make it so. A good Christian would help me realize that I'm not, in fact, a walrus; not celebrate my decision to take fur-generating supplements and have tusk-implant surgery.

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[GowerND11]

Wouldn't that student who identifies as the opposite sex need a psychological eval and that person (the evaluator) would need to sign off in order for them to "legally" identify as the other sex?

 

[EddytoNow]

If I believe that I'm a walrus, that does not make it so. A good Christian would help me realize that I'm not, in fact, a walrus; not celebrate my decision to take fur-generating supplements and have tusk-implant surgery.

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Are you a walrus?

 

[GoIrish41]

Are you a walrus?

I am the egg man .... I am the egg man ........ Wiz, this is your part.

 

[Circa]

As you get older, you will eventually find out that how likeable you are has a lot to do with whether people are receptive to you and/or respect your opinion. For instance, I do disagree with you on this point, but I am not going to listen to your argument, discuss the topic or debate anything with you simply because I don't like you.

So it really doesn't matter if it's "truth" or if you're right. Because you are that unlikeable that it renders your opinion useless to me. There's a life lesson here.

One of the more profound things I've read from you in a while. Gotta respect wisdom and all of It's intricate subtleties. Reps.!

 

[wizards8507]

Goo goo ga joob.

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[pkt77242]

Transgender today

Physicians usually require that any transgender client who wants a medical intervention be assessed first by a mental health provider. A letter may be requested stating that the client's mental health would improve from a gender transition. "Over the last two to three years, a number of medical associations have made statements about the medical necessity of transitional care for transgender people," says dickey. While still somewhat stigmatizing, a diagnosis of gender dysphoria ensures that more services for transgender people will be covered by health insurers.

It is standard practice to treat the client for any psychiatric conditions that might be present before starting a medical transition. After that, medical treatment may include hormone therapy to diminish unwanted secondary-sex characteristics and produce or enhance secondary-sex characteristics of the desired gender. A 2011 study led by Colt Meier, a psychology doctoral candidate at the University of Houston (Journal of Gay & Lesbian Mental Health) showed that hormone therapy was associated with lower levels of depression, anxiety and stress, as well as increased quality of life in a sample of more than 400 transgender men.

Despite the signs of more acceptance for transgender people, many studies show that they continue to face significant challenges. Research by Aaron T. Norton and Greg M. Herek, PhD, at University of California, Davis, for example, found that the rejection transgender people encounter is significantly harsher than the negative attitudes experienced by lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) people (Sex Roles: A Journal of Research, 2012). A 2009 study by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network also found that transgender students face much higher levels of harassment and violence than LGB students.

In an effort to better understand the transgender community, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) launched a study on the state of health of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people. This 2011 report, The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People: Building a Foundation for Better Understanding, found high rates of substance abuse, attempted suicide and HIV infection among other problems in transgender adults. The report concluded that the marginalization of transgender people from society is having a devastating effect on their physical and mental health.

A similar conclusion was reached by the 2011 Injustice at Every Turn, survey of nearly 6,450 transgender and gender nonconforming people conducted by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. It found that as many as 63 percent of respondents experienced some form of discrimination due to bias about their gender identity, including the loss of a job, bullying and even physical and sexual assault. As many as 41 percent of respondents reported they had attempted suicide — a rate 25 times higher than that of the general population.

In a study now in press in the American Journal of Public Health, Bockting found that half of the transgender women and a third of the transgender men surveyed said they struggle with depression from the stigma, shame and isolation caused by how others treat them. Anxiety was a significant problem for them, too. People who were the youngest and least educated, and those from rural areas had the most psychological distress.

Other research led by Andrea L. Roberts, PhD, suggests that being gender-nonconforming (while not necessarily the same as transgender) puts children at higher risk for physical, psychological and sexual abuse and for post-traumatic stress disorder later on (Pediatrics, 2012).

 

[ACamp1900]

If I believe that I'm a walrus, that does not make it so. A good Christian would help me realize that I'm not, in fact, a walrus; not celebrate my decision to take fur-generating supplements and have tusk-implant surgery.

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Youll be a walrus only if they replace your junk with walrus testes and inject walrus hormones into you........

 

[connor_in]

Are you a walrus?

I am pretty sure he is a walrus trapped in wizards body.



















































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[pkt77242]

Any parent who would inflict irreversible hormone therapies (which generally result in sterility) or surgical mutilation on an otherwise physically healthy child is morally depraved. It's child abuse of the worst kind. Gender identity disorder in children is heavily linked with emerging homosexual urges:



John Hopkins University, which pioneered gender reassignment surgery in the 1960s, stopped offering the procedure because "[m]ost of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery... [p]roducing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs."

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Those suffering from it deserve our charity, but we do them no favors when we indulge their delusion; and we do great harm to our society by valorizing people like Jenner. If we feel compelled to bless what Jenner has done to himself, how should we react to the transabled-- perfectly healthy people who voluntarily dismember themselves in order to become disabled?

Forgive me for continuing to beat this drum, but this all comes down to religion. The acceptance of SSM and now transgenderism has been so rapid because it has deep roots in the Cult of the Autonomous Individual upon which secular liberalism is built. This is not the trailing edge of the Civil Rights movement, but the leading edge of transhumanism, which is going to have terrifying consequences for humanity.

The question is why? The surgery won't help them if everyone still treats them as freaks and shuns them. I can't see the article as it keeps asking me to log in. Look at the article I just linked from the APA.