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The capital gains tax provides an incentive for anyone willing to invest and produce, it's not just the billionaires. People should pay lower rates to incentivize thoughtful behavior.

Keep in mind that I'm investing taxed dollars to produce gains that are taxed at the cap gain rate. I'm not sidestepping anything, I'm actually using taxed money to create another profit (and layer of tax). Reinvesting cap gains is an exception but the original dollar was still taxed at a normal rate (assuming it was reported). And if you're in a position to continually reinvest cap gains, then I'd be willing to bet all I have you're producing something society needs and a quite a few jobs too.

Actually, this is partly true. If you purchase stock in Intel, Microsoft, etc, NONE of your money went to helping those companies do diddly.

The only time your investing helps anyone build anything is when you buy bonds that fund capital investments, IPOs, or you invest in a private firm directly.
 

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Actually, this is partly true. If you purchase stock in Intel, Microsoft, etc, NONE of your money went to helping those companies do diddly.

The only time your investing helps anyone build anything is when you buy bonds that fund capital investments, IPOs, or you invest in a private firm directly.

Or I start my own business.
 

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Actually, this is partly true. If you purchase stock in Intel, Microsoft, etc, NONE of your money went to helping those companies do diddly.
The only time your investing helps anyone build anything is when you buy bonds that fund capital investments, IPOs, or you invest in a private firm directly.

As a registered rep and someone who works in this field, That's not even close to being true.
 
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The EPA is useless if you don't want clean water and air or a liveable environment.

Why get rid of the EPA? So big business can rape and pillage the Earth and poison people in the name of profit?

LOL....These corporations also have to live here too.

I love the doomsday leftists....You're like the guys building underground shelters that always get made fun of, but unlike them, you're asking tax payers to fund your fears.


The EPA is merely a political machine. They do nothing for the environment.


And the FDA is as useless. I'll all for eliminating both.
 

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withholding is not taxes paid...

My family is in the Top5% and we pay nowhere near 20% actual taxes paid. But when I get a bonus, it is withheld at 39.6%...but you get it back.

The only way you could actually be paying 30% to the Feds is if you clear over 200k. (since the first 189,000 is taxed below 30%)

That would put you firmly in the upper-middle class

FICA is an income tax. It is almost 15% (I know a lot of folks like to ignore the half that their employers pick up on their behalf but self employed folks are VERY well aware of this).

You make a very good point that few people are paying a blended 30% federal tax rate on their income taxes, however you only really need to get to 15% to combine with FICA and hit that bogey. You are probably looking at well over $100k for the average family before they hit a blended 15% federal tax rate. The marginal taxes are the killer of productivity. With loss of credits, deductions and whatnot many middle class families see north of 50% tax on marginal income when state taxes are added to the mix. And we wonder why the labor participation rate is at an all time low?
 

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Finally read some of the details around Obama's proposal on corporate taxes.

First and foremost, I think we can all agree that something needs to change. The rate is far too high and the loopholes are far too prevalent. Fix them both at the same time and make the playfield even.

With that said, it's really hard for me to get behind any idea of a flat tax on profits earned overseas. I have never heard an economically convincing argument as to how manufacturing something in Brazil and selling it for a profit in Italy generates a tax for a company in the US. I am firmly in the camp that the profits should come back to the US tax free, very similar to other countries in the world.

I do find it very puzzling that the administration is saying there would be a GDP increase of 1.5% on the one-time 14% tax (more on the tax itself below). GDP includes all profits of those companies, not just profits in the US. So, moving the profits does nothing. The only possible way that this would create a 1.5% GDP increase (which is a massive increase) is if you believe that the multiplier on infrastructure is that much greater that the multiplier on reinvestment and/or increased consumption (via dividends or other capital distributions to owners). Seems very unlikely to me.

As for the tax itself, I am not sure how companies would be able to absorb that type of blow. GE had the largest balance overseas, consisting of $110B at the end of 2013. With the proposed tax, GE would be hit with a $15B tax bill, payable in cash. The positive cash flow of the company in 2013 was $11B, which was by far their best cash performance of the last 3 years. For other comparisons, the total capex for GE in 2013 was $13B and total dividends paid was under $8B. The third largest balance belongs to Pfizer. They would owe roughly $10B under the proposal. The company at the end of Q3 had a cash and cash equivalents balance of $2.5B on it's balance sheet. Simply put, if a company were forced to pay, it would be incredibly hard to do so without majorly damaging/altering their capital management and perhaps altering the companies future performance even if paid out over many years.
 

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The defense budget should be our top priority every year, perhaps now more than ever. Could we trim some fat? Sure. What exactly that magic number should be? I'll be the first to say I don't have a clue, and neither do you.

At the very least, I can point to the Dept of Education and say that 1) it's found nowhere in the Constitution and 2) it's up to the states, so the Feds need not be involved 3) since its founding, we've spent more and more money on Edu yet our rankings have dropped consistently

Priorities shouldn't equal blank checks. There is no way on earth, with our advantages of natural borders and natural resources, that we need to spend as much as the rest of the world combined on defense. It is the same B.S. emotional, knee jerk response that drives me nuts about any education discussion.

All besides the fact defense budgets are being pressured by disability and health care expenses directly related to worrying ourselves to tears over blowing up some caves and huts. I am all for a strong military, I agree that it is the #1 priority of the federal government. I just think they could be just as effective, at half the price.
 

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LOL....These corporations also have to live here too.

I love the doomsday leftists....You're like the guys building underground shelters that always get made fun of, but unlike them, you're asking tax payers to fund your fears.


The EPA is merely a political machine. They do nothing for the environment.


And the FDA is as useless. I'll all for eliminating both.

We should ask ourselves what were the events that led to the EPA's establishment and what it was like before the EPA. Further, we should ask ourselves if we are willing to go back to that condition, because given lack of regulation of environmental concerns and the ability of corporations to do whatever they want, things are going to change (presumably for the worst) on the environmental front. You can dismiss this as doomsday rhetoric, but there is a reason the EPA was established, and that reason revolved around abuses at the expense of the citizens of this country.
 

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Priorities shouldn't equal blank checks. There is no way on earth, with our advantages of natural borders and natural resources, that we need to spend as much as the rest of the world combined on defense. It is the same B.S. emotional, knee jerk response that drives me nuts about any education discussion.

All besides the fact defense budgets are being pressured by disability and health care expenses directly related to worrying ourselves to tears over blowing up some caves and huts. I am all for a strong military, I agree that it is the #1 priority of the federal government. I just think they could be just as effective, at half the price.

Totally agree. Government should NEVER have a blank check on anything.
 

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I am not aware of another country that taxes foreign earnings. For the US to do this would severely cripple global competitiveness and you would see more companies run overseas (I'm sorry - merge or be bought out by foreign companies).

Corporate taxes are 10% of tax receipts, it isn't even close to as big of a deal as people make it out to be in a budge context. Payroll and income taxes facilitated by companies are the true golden goose. Just make it a flat 15%of profits with a 5% repatriation tax and call it a day. Zero loopholes and incentives. Never happen b/c everyone has a pet industry paying their way but damn, wouldn't that be nice!
 

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We should ask ourselves what were the events that led to the EPA's establishment and what it was like before the EPA. Further, we should ask ourselves if we are willing to go back to that condition, because given lack of regulation of environmental concerns and the ability of corporations to do whatever they want, things are going to change (presumably for the worst) on the environmental front. You can dismiss this as doomsday rhetoric, but there is a reason the EPA was established, and that reason revolved around abuses at the expense of the citizens of this country.

Yep, give them a blank check and free reign because they have an altruistic mandate. What could possibly go wrong.
 

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Yep, give them a blank check and free reign because they have an altruistic mandate. What could possibly go wrong.

Much better to give corporations motivated by profits a blank check. What could possibly go wrong? We have historical evidence that tells us don't we?
 

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College Sports Ticket Tax Break Would Vanish in Obama Budget - Bloomberg Business

No other place to put this I guess.

One athletic department that uses the donation is the University of Louisville, whose men’s basketball team made $40.5 million in revenue in 2013-2014, about $15 million more than the next closest program.

Louisville requires a donation to the Cardinal Athletic Fund for most of its season tickets -- contributions that range from $2,500 to $250 a seat. Of the university’s $40.5 million in men’s basketball revenue, $21.7 million come from donations, according to the school’s annual report to the NCAA.
 

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Good for this guy. At least he gets it.


Jordan's King Abdullah, himself a former general, angrily vowed to pursue ISIS until his military runs "out of fuel and bullets," in a closed door meeting with U.S. lawmakers that followed the release Wednesday of a grisly video showing a captured Jordanian airman being burned alive in a cage by the terrorist army.
 

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Much better to give corporations motivated by profits a blank check. What could possibly go wrong? We have historical evidence that tells us don't we?

But you can't create profits if you're offering nothing to the people...

Being motivated by money isn't a bad thing...and by the way, isn't exclusive to corporations. Government is motivated by money as well....except that they have an endless supply to pull from.

And historical evidence is far more damning of governments than corporations....oh let me count the ways...
 

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Good for this guy. At least he gets it.


Jordan's King Abdullah, himself a former general, angrily vowed to pursue ISIS until his military runs "out of fuel and bullets," in a closed door meeting with U.S. lawmakers that followed the release Wednesday of a grisly video showing a captured Jordanian airman being burned alive in a cage by the terrorist army.

Horribly graphic....but some good actually came out of that: people in that region are actually turning on ISIS like never before.

They're all animals and should be exterminated. And any country that aids them, should also be exterminated.
 

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But you can't create profits if you're offering nothing to the people...

Being motivated by money isn't a bad thing...and by the way, isn't exclusive to corporations. Government is motivated by money as well....except that they have an endless supply to pull from.

And historical evidence is far more damning of governments than corporations....oh let me count the ways...

Truth. Limit everyone's salary in Congress to $50k and see how many of these power hungry, self serving pricks (on both sides of the aisle) want to run for re-election.
 

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Truth. Limit everyone's salary in Congress to $50k and see how many of these power hungry, self serving pricks (on both sides of the aisle) want to run for re-election.

Ambitious candidates don't run for Congress because of the money (though they do enjoy a pretty cushy compensation package). They run for the power, which can be used to extract all sorts of concessions from supplicants (including money). Decreasing salaries would increase their incentive to abuse their influence in exchange for monetary gain.
 

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Ambitious candidates don't run for Congress because of the money (though they do enjoy a pretty cushy compensation package). They run for the power, which can be used to extract all sorts of concessions from supplicants (including money). Decreasing salaries would increase their incentive to abuse their influence in exchange for monetary gain.

Debatable.
 

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The New Yorker's John Cassidy recently published an article "The U.S. Tax Code is a Travesty":

I (and many others) have noted, the Obama Administration’s budget for the 2016 fiscal year is essentially a wish list, which has no chance of being enacted in anything like its present form. But that doesn’t mean that it lacks import. In advance of the 2016 Presidential campaign, this budget provides a valuable blueprint for what a moderately progressive economic agenda would look like. And equally, or perhaps more importantly, it demonstrates what a travesty the U.S. tax code is, and how badly it needs overhauling.

Traditionally, tax reform is a cause of the right. That’s largely because corporations and rich people follow the details of taxation closely—or, rather, they hire lobbyists to follow it for them. But what the Obama Administration has grasped, and what its budget proposals reflect, is that changing the tax code, and stripping it of some (or all) the favors it bestows on the wealthy and well connected, should be a great rallying cry for liberals, progressives, and anybody else who takes seriously the notion of equal treatment under the law.


Reading budget documents line by line, which is what I did last night, isn’t the most exciting activity. But it gets you down to the level of detail where the loopholes, the scams, and the lobbyists live. Take Table S-9 in the numbers section, which details how each one of the Administration’s many proposals would affect the deficit over the next ten years. It’s a dry and lengthy set of figures, but also a revealing one.

In a section of the table headed “Loophole closers,” we learn that taxing the profits earned by hedge funds and private-equity firms as ordinary income would raise more than two billion dollars a year between 2017 and 2021. At the moment, and for reasons that don’t withstand any serious scrutiny, these firms are allowed to categorize much of the profit they generate as “carried interest,” which is taxed at a reduced rate of twenty per cent.

Now, in a four-trillion-dollar budget, two billion dollars doesn’t seem like a huge amount. But most of the profits that hedge funds and private-equity firms generate are concentrated in a few dozen partnerships, which benefit greatly from the giveaway. For example, it was by taking advantage of this loophole that Mitt Romney, formerly of Bain Capital, was able to pay just fourteen per cent of his 2011 income in federal taxes. If Bain’s profits had been treated as regular income, which in 2011 was taxed at rates of up to thirty-five per cent, Romney’s tax bill would have been much higher.

Moving up a bit in the table, there is an entry titled “Reforms to capital gains taxation, upper-income tax benefits, and the taxation of financial institutions.” The first proposal—reforming the capital-gains tax—is actually two reforms together. The first would raise the rate that high earners pay on capital gains and dividends, from 23.8 per cent to twenty-eight per cent, which is the rate they paid during the soak-the-rich Reagan Administration.* The other reform would eliminate a loophole in the estate tax that allows heirs to reduce their tax bills. Known in the industry as the “stepped up basis” loophole, it allows the beneficiaries of estates to estimate the cost basis of their inheritances at current market prices, rather than the prices that were paid for them, often years earlier. Since the value of most investments rises over the years, this loophole can make a huge difference to tax-liability calculations. Eliminating the practice would have a big effect on some inheritances. But since the vast majority of estates fall below the threshold for federal inheritance taxes—$5.4 million in 2015—it would mainly impact the top one per cent, which owns forty per cent of the nation’s wealth.

Over ten years, these two reforms would raise more than two hundred billion dollars in new tax revenues. For the sake of comparison, that would be more than enough to cover an annual five-hundred-dollar tax credit for second earners, an expansion of the earned-income tax credit to low-paid workers who don’t have children, and more generous tax credits for parents who pay for child care—all proposals contained elsewhere in the budget.

The budget would also address another way in which wealthy people reduce their tax bills, which is by employing crafty accountants and taking deductions for things like mortgage interest, state taxes, charitable donations, and Cadillac health-care plans. One of the budget proposals that hasn’t received much attention would place limits on the total amount of deductions than can be taken by individuals earning more than two hundred thousand dollars a year and couples earning more than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. To most ordinary people, taking deductions is a way of saving a few bucks. But for the very rich the sums involved are enormous. Once again, Table S-9 tells the tale. In placing limits on deductions for high earners, the budget would raise more than six hundred billion dollars over ten years. That’s more than enough to pay for all of the tax breaks contained in the budget that are aimed at the middle class. In fact, it would pay for them twice, with about fifty billion dollars left over.

I could go on, addressing the whole issue of corporate loopholes. The picture should already be clear, though. After decades of money politics and anti-tax ideology, the U.S. tax code is festooned with giveaways to the rich and powerful. In seeking to eliminate some of these blights straight away, the 2016 budget seems destined to fail. But in highlighting some of what’s wrong, and showing how it could be remediated, the budget will help to shape the political agenda for years to come. And that makes putting it out a very worthwhile exercise.

Relevant to our recent discussion regarding the estate tax.
 

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The Atlantic's Connor Friedersdorf recently published an article called "What Republicans Stress When They Can't Say Conservative":

Last week, I argued that when Republicans say they want their nominee in 2016 to be a "conservative" candidate, they're unwittingly talking past one another, because Republican voters have such different notions of what "conservative" means. And I challenged Republicans who want a "conservative" standard bearer to describe their ideal candidate over email without recourse to that word.

Lots of Republicans obliged. And the responses illustrate that "conservative" does elide a lot of crucial distinctions. I suspect that after reading the selection of responses below, readers on both the right and left will expand their notion of what it means when someone identifies themselves as a conservative American. Here goes.

Scott wants a leader who would attack regulatory capture:

I'm a staunch "conservative" Republican, but I hadn't thought about how that term oversimplifies the differences within my party. I believe that in Washington, people who profit from government collude with government officials (elected or otherwise) to increase their power over Americans through excessive regulation and taxation. They also use these levers of power to create minority voting blocs which perpetuate their authority. In my next President, I want someone who understands how these structures operate and wants to dismantle them, especially within his own executive branch, not someone who will simply step in and attempt to use them for the benefit of Republicans.

Todd is looking for a Madisonian:

I would like a candidate who, when deciding whether it’s proper to use the government to effect a particular project, would instinctively ask three questions:

1) Is it within the powers granted to the government by the applicable constitution?

2) Is it something that needs to be done by the government or can the same be done by some other body or group?

3) If yes to the above, what is the governmental level closest to the people at which it can be done?

Joseph is looking for a pragmatic, fiscally conservative noninterventionist:

On January 20th, 2017, my Republican candidate became my president. In their inaugural address, they stayed away from taboo words like conservative or liberal and stratospheric platitudes too... they reached their arms out to 100% of the nation--even though not that many--not even close--had voted for them. They offered a pragmatic, realistic approach to the issues of the day. Community college for all is a nice idea, but first lets focus on the crushing debt so that tomorrow's graduates can focus their energies on building their lives and the lives of their children rather than propping up government largesse. It is important that America be a force for good in the world, but lets remember that we are one nation and cannot single handedly remake the globe in our image. Sure we can have disagreements on a number of issues, but lets remember that we are all Americans and that we are all entitled to the rights and privileges established in our constitution--the right to free speech, the right to trial by jury, and the right to have an even playing field to marry who we want, build the life we want, and succeed--or fail--on their merits of our deeds and not on the prejudices of ourselves or others.

My candidate doesn't call themselves a conservative. They call themselves a business owner, a parent, a partner, a police officer, a teacher. They call themselves a problem solver and a consensus builder, a hard worker and an idealist--but a realist at the same time. In 2016 in beyond, it's more important that a Republican presidential candidate offer solutions to the nation's problems rather than a check mark on a narrow litmus test. This--after all--is the true measure of a leader.

Adam is a proponent of federalism and assertive U.S. interventions abroad, among other things:

Here's my ideal candidate.
1) He/She is cautious. I believe strongly that while the status quo on any given issue may be bad, it is always possible and often quite easy to make things worse. Therefore, reforms should be doled out deliberately and in a measured fashion, always with an eye out for possible unintended consequences.
2) He/She is a small-f federalist. Having upwards of fifty different bodies of law active at once in this country may be inefficient and confusing, but I believe that there are real benefits to allowing states and localities a large amount of autonomy, especially on issues that are nationally contentious. Not only can states and localities experiment with different policy solutions to different policy problems, thus providing something vaguely resembling actual social-scientific experimental data, they allow the specific regional subcultures to express themselves without having to struggle over-much for national dominance. Anything short of one side or the other's complete and total hegemony that can deflate the titanic national flamewars we currently have burning on any number of issues is something I'd welcome.
3) He/She is willing to throw American diplomatic, economic, and military weight around internationally. This is an unpopular opinion these days, but looking back at history I have come to the conclusion that uni- or bi-polar worlds are preferable to multi-polar ones. The thought of a world like that of 1914 with multiple roughly-equal first-rate powers staring each other down - only this time with nuclear weapons - frightens the hell out of me. For all that we inevitably will get blowback whenever we intervene, I think a pax Americana, like the pax Brittanica, pax Romanum, or even pax Mongolica before it, is preferable to the alternatives currently available.
4) He/She is willing and able to effectively manage - and if necessary pare back - the administrative state. Purely from an organizational perspective, the Madisonian "three branches" are very well balanced, even if occasionally one does gain a temporary ascendency. However the executive agencies that have sprung up during the past sixty or so years threaten to throw the system out of whack and create perverse incentives for governance. Due to the doctrine of Chevron deference, the courts are unwilling to touch most agency decisions, and the Congress is either too lazy, too divided, or too incompetent to effectively check agencies except in the worst circumstances. The agencies in some form are necessary to run our government. However, they need to be efficiently and effectively checked just like any other branch. These are the general principles I reference when I use the word "conservative." Some people will say things that make me seem very much like an outlier–and perhaps I am. But such is life.

Fred puts forth a number of specific wants:

Find a great manager who is personable and..... truly cares about this country.
Provide a balanced budget via the Penny Plan.
Provide a strong defense.
Control borders and immigration system; we go back to to admitting who we want to admit after a thorough evaluation.
Prioritize personal tax reform and simplification....fair tax/flat tax....just something, please. The current mess is a national disgrace. Lower corporate taxes.
Legalize small amounts of marijuana, sell it in drugstores and allow adults to grow 3-4 plants.
Quickly develop and implement a plan for energy security. No more dependence on Islamic countries in the Middle East.
Minimize welfare and food stamps. Even Bill Clinton worked to do this.
Abolish Obamacare. Open the healthcare system to TOTAL competition. For those who really want government care....provide a VERY basic system with no bells and whistles (ala medicaid) at county hospitals.
Get unions out of government and schools. Provide school vouchers for ANY student desiring such.

Bill calls for "common sense":

I’ve maintained all along that the Tea Party rebrand itself as the Common Sense Party. Taking that a step further, much of what true conservatives/Republicans espouse is so often just common sense. You can’t spend more than you take in. You can’t defeat an enemy without naming who it is. You can’t have more people on the government dole than taxpayers who pay for those on the dole. Things like this are just common sense and should be used used as bullet points at every opportunity.

Crisostomo wants character and forcefulness:

I want in a candidate for POTUS genuine honesty, integrity, and self-respect.

I expect executive leadership expertise gained from leading a successful for-profit company that creates jobs and pays fair wages. I expect patriotism, love of family and values, the preservation of American culture and sovereignty.

I want a strong leader who can deal, work, and negotiate wisely and firmly with allies and mete out American justice upon the enemy swiftly with absolute certainty of annihilation and obliteration without hesitation. I expect a POTUS who wants a safe America, an economically robust America, and an America that enforces the law of the land.

I want a POTUS who aggressively discredits political correctness at every turn, who does not give in to environmental fanaticism, who is not afraid to abolish bureaucracies no matter how entrenched, who respects the co-equal branches of government, who upholds the first and second amendment rights, state's rights, and who will dismantle the onerous tax system, the IRS and the Department of Education, and who will spearhead an effort to come up with a better health care plan than Mr Obama's abominable creation.

But I can dream, can't I? I will settle for a strong Commander-in-Chief who can stare danger in the eye and tell the world, "Americans win at every encounter - friendly or hostile. We can be your best friend, or your worst nightmare. Your choice."
Jim's agenda focuses on the personal integrity of citizens:

The terms we should review and take to heart, as Americans, are, first of all Revolution. We are a Revolution. A Revolution against tyranny, against Monarchy, Oligarchy, and any other political form which limits the rights of an individual. The second term which we must endear is balance. We must balance the need to keep order through laws to run our society. As an individual, we must each do our best to keep a standard of values which balances an ability to fulfill our own needs with a recognition others needs are different and we are best to all allow each other the ability to live according to our needs. If those needs incur upon the law or rights of other individuals, it needs to be reviewed under the standards of law.

In regards to Governance, I believe Government at all levels should be frugal, or at the least, held to a higher standard of value. However, I cannot expect there to be a high Government standard without having a high personal standard. If I am blessed to make more money than others, than I am obligated to be charitable, and use a portion of my time and wealth to help those less fortunate. I honestly believe an individual is bound, by social contract, to give their time and physical effort to charitable cause, specifically to those in need, as it fulfills the religious or personal moral contract many of us adhere to, and it keeps a better defined reality in our everyday lives. I know very few people that maintain disdain for poverty, homelessness, and hunger that have, as part of their lives, a concerted effort to be involved with those that suffer.

Will wants markets in everything:

In the 2016 primaries I will be looking for a candidate who:

- Believes free markets and free trade are the best way to lift people out of poverty

- Supports a free market for health care in place of the employer-based insurance system

- Recognizes that freedom of movement (i.e., immigration) is an integral part of free trade

- Would use military force only when there is a clear and reasonably attainable objective

- Believes in stopping crime at the source, not by depriving law-abiding citizens of constitutional rights (applies to both the 2nd and 4th amendments)

Do I care about things like "executive experience" and "management skills"? Maybe less than I should. If one candidate was clearly most in line with me ideologically, I'd find it hard to vote for a different person based on experience. As you can no doubt imagine, some of those traits are easier to find in the Republican Party than others.

Fred wants to uphold the Constitution—and investigate Obama's eligibility to be president:

...the "conservative" leader I am pursuing will be an executive [e.g. governor] who propounds accountability in finance, politics, and ethics. He/she will positively "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."

He/she will abolish his/her predecessor's executive orders.

He/she will instruct the Justice Department to definitely establish BHO's eligibility for the office of President and further instruct them to pursue legal action to recover all monies spent on the Obamas if it proves he was illegally invested in the Presidency. He/she will not throw people to the curb or ditch them in the gutter while vilifying those who are productive and offering jobs and while buying votes with tax increases and bloated welfare payouts. He/she will aver the sentiment that socialism eventually fails because one eventually runs out of other people's money [M. Thatcher]. In short, then, an American Conservative insists that "We the people" own and operate the government; that we the people will defend the Constitution against all enemies both domestic and foreign; that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness requires productivity from all citizens while we are helping one another in those pursuits. Wow! How's that for an inaugural sound byte? [In effect that is a conservative paraphrase of "Ask not what your country can do for you, etc..."].

Shane wants emphasis on the 10th Amendment, manufacturing and the working class:

The Republican presidential candidate should first and foremost be committed to Constitutional governance. Guaranteeing only the basic and fundamental rights of liberty and justice, along with the common defence, we require a fundamental change towards a much more limited government - financial, regulatory and morality. We must make progress towards returning to a Constitutional Balance of Powers between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of our government.

We must return power to the People and the States by re-emphasizing the Ninth and Tenth Amendments while continuing to defend a strict interpretation of the complete Bill of Rights. We must eliminate a federal taxation policy that requires federal programs to be employed by the States and then forcing States' policies and governance in those and other areas by withholding the funding of those programs. Actively eliminate or revise programs that are beyond the federal government's Constitutional authority and/or financial prudence.

Become the party of All Working Americans as well as Industry. Simplify the tax code to reduce that burden on the whole of the middle class. Also, create the modern world's smallest tax rate for corporations and small businesses that demonstrate and sustain the creation and manufacturing of products here, banking here and employing a workforce of US Citizens while demonstrating real wage growth and offering tax credits for companies who demonstrate the ability to retrain and re-equip people's careers when their former roles are becoming obsoleted. Invest in our nation's infrastructure in a limited but impactful way when there is a clear return on investment significantly better than what private industry and local governments can do on their own.

Relentless defense of freedom should be an over-reaching goal in all that we do. Use that to solve tough issues we currently face such as immigration and non-traditional marriage and families. Pursue a vast overhaul and modernization of our immigration system and then protect our borders. Redefine the legal and financial benefits of legal marriage to be sensical in terms of the benefit it returns to our nation - e.g., that could be the support of pro-creation including through adoption and the benefits of a parent at home and its return on investment to our nation - and promote freedom by removing government from the definition of marriage outside the scope of a limited legal system. Defend our nation against its enemies foreign and domestic. Enhance our support of our defenders and their families, both while serving and after.

They all want what they call "a conservative."

Going forward, I hope that Republicans will ask one another to Taboo "conservative" when the word comes up during intra-right debates on Election 2016. Otherwise, there's no way of knowing what the people talking actually mean by it.

If you identify with the American political right, what sort of "conservative" are you?
 

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The Atlantic's Connor Friedersdorf recently published an article called "What Republicans Stress When They Can't Say Conservative":



If you identify with the American political right, what sort of "conservative" are you?

I'm more libertarian than anything.

I think there is some merit to this piece. Meanings of political terms have changed drastically (think classic liberal vs what liberals are today).

I'd actually identify with a classical liberal over any con or repub any day.

However, today's liberals have totally perverted the term "liberal". So I'm actually forced, in a way, to identify with the right.

When in reality...I'm in the party of me.



(and The Atlantic is a liberal rag...just sayin,....LOL)
 

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(and The Atlantic is a liberal rag...just sayin,....LOL)

Friedersdorf is one of the best libertarian pundits writing today. Just like Ross Douthat-- writing for The New York Times-- is among the best conservative writers. You do yourself a great disservice writing off entire periodicals based on the perceived bias of its editorial board.
 
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