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It wouldn't help much and the limited help it may provide wouldn't justify the damage done to the economy.

I'm with you on option three. I'm not going to hold my breath, though.

I agree that it might not help, if only because the ultra-wealthy are almost always able to game the system somehow. But I do think we have a legitimate interest in preventing families from acquiring democracy-threating levels of wealth and power over multiple generations.

And how would it damage the economy? Right-leaning economists tend to favor taxing intergenerational transfers of wealth because: (1) they're minimally distortive (at least compared to other types of taxes); and (2) such transfers aren't meritocratic, so they actually discourage hard work and innovation.
 
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Have we come to general agreements here fellas?

WHOA!!!!

Everyone shake each others hand, pat each other on the back, and call this a good day!
 

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Obama Drops Plan to Raise Taxes on ‘529’ Accounts - WSJ

EDIT: This was, IMO, a test and it failed......this time. I have always thought that by the time I retire (30 yrs +) Roth IRA accounts would be taxed in a similar manner as the 529 proposal. I do think it is only a matter of time, which is why it is important to diversify account structure.
Wait a second. They wanted to double-tax 529s? 529 contributions are already after-tax dollars and the plan was to go ahead and tax the distributions as well?
 

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Wait a second. They wanted to double-tax 529s? 529 contributions are already after-tax dollars and the plan was to go ahead and tax the distributions as well?

Yeppers.

I had a lengthy post on it in the State of the Union thread that broke down the arguments.
 

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I'm not sure I completely agree with this. I could make an argument that it would be easier (and cheaper) for lobbiests to buy influence at the state level. Further, it might also happen with much less scrutiny. I live in Pennsylvania. How much am I going to care if the Koch Brothers are buying political influence in New Mexico or Nevada if it has no bearing on influencing national policy? Probably not much. And, many state governments are notoriously corrupt. Would that problem not just expand if the size and scope of state government is increased?

The problem certainly wouldn't go away, but the idea is to make it harder for lobbyists. Having to lobby a single administrative agency or congressman in Washington is a lot easier than having to do the same thing in 50 different states. And state congressmen are much closer to their constituencies than their federal counterparts, so it's possible for concerned citizens to make an impact on that level. Not so at the Federal level.

I think we should start with erasing the notion that corporations are people and that money is free speech. People are people and money is money. How did we get so far from what that reality? It is not difficult to draw a straight line between corporate influence and posiitions of candidates on issues. That isn't solved by cutting the problem into 50 pieces, IMHO. In fact, it may make the problem worse.

Corporations are associations of people. Are we going to make a blanket rule that individuals are not allowed to band together to "speak" more effectively on an issue? And money isn't speech, but given modern technology, it's inextricably linked with it. Are we going to make a blanket rule that the First Amendment doesn't apply to print, broadcast or the internet anymore?

And even if the right balance could be struck, it's not as if we can trust the Feds to regulate political speech objectively. After BCRA passed, the reelection rate for incumbents increased significantly and stayed there, mostly because the new regulations were much more burdensome on challengers than incumbents (who already had extensive fund-raising networks in place). So the prospect of letting career pols on Capitol Hill take another whack at this issue leaves me pretty cold.
 
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It may be unpopular, but more speech is better than less speech. Let Walmart, the AFL-CIO, the Koch Bros., and George Soros all spend their money in as much free speech as they wish. But these expenditures should be openly and fully and widely disclosed.

This is better posted in Whisky's seminar thread of liberals/conservatives, but believing there is (or isn't) the need to do for people (restrict speech by monied people entities or people, stop them from voting for someone more than three times, forcing them to buy healthcare, etc.), because they aren't smart enough/strong enough/focused enough to figure it out themselves, is surely a philosophical dividing line between the sides.
 

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Wait a second. They wanted to double-tax 529s? 529 contributions are already after-tax dollars and the plan was to go ahead and tax the distributions as well?

Yes. Just an awful idea.

As a financial advisor, this had me shaking my head.


But they are coming after our 401k's and starting to limit SS strategies (final and suspend, restricted benny might go away)
 

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I agree that it might not help, if only because the ultra-wealthy are almost always able to game the system somehow. But I do think we have a legitimate interest in preventing families from acquiring democracy-threating levels of wealth and power over multiple generations.

And how would it damage the economy? Right-leaning economists tend to favor taxing intergenerational transfers of wealth because: (1) they're minimally distortive (at least compared to other types of taxes); and (2) such transfers aren't meritocratic, so they actually discourage hard work and innovation.

you will probably like this:

The U.S. federal estate tax was introduced in 1916. It has always applied to a relatively small group of the wealthiest decedents; applying at the peak of its coverage in the 1970s to over 7 percent of adult deaths, and at its minimum coverage to less than 0.5 percent. Its long history and its focus on the top of the distribution make estate tax statistics a natural source for studying long-term changes in wealth concentration. This is what Emmanuel Saez and I have done.(10) We relied on (unfortunately confidential) IRS micro databases that include all of the estate tax returns filed between 1916 and 1945, samples for a few years between 1962 and 1976, and annual samples starting in 1982, and supplemented this data with published tabulations for other years. We applied the estate-multiplier technique (that amounts to weighting individuals by the inverse of their mortality risk) and constructed estimates of wealth controlled by groups within the top 2 percent of the wealth distribution going back to 1916. Similar to findings from studies of the long-term evolution of income inequality for example, Piketty and Saez, 2003),(11) we find that wealth concentration decreased rapidly in the 1930 and 1940s but there is no evidence of an increase in past 20 years. This latter result is particularly puzzling in light of the sharp increase in income concentration over this period. However, these findings are consistent with the Survey of Consumer Finances (for broader wealth categories), as documented by John Karl Scholz.(12)

One potential explanation that we offer for the lack of an increase in wealth concentration is that increases in income concentration were driven by labor rather than capital incomes, so it may be that not enough time has passed for the increase in wealth accumulation concentration to materialize. Another potential factor is changing income mobility. However, Emmanuel Saez, Jae Song, and I study longitudinal Social Security earnings data that allow us to trace the same individual over long periods of time and therefore to understand how income mobility has evolved over the past 50 years (and with less detail since 1937). In our still preliminary work, we find no evidence that mobility of earnings has changed much over time.(13)

My work with Lena Edlund provides a different perspective for thinking about long-term changes in wealth concentration.(14) We observe that the gender distribution of estate taxpayers evolved over time. In particular, the number of women among the very wealthy estate taxpayers (top 0.01 percent) rose until the 1960s, but has been declining since the 1970s. We argue that the gender distribution of the wealthy group reveals the relative importance of self-made and inherited wealth. While women and men inherit from their parents about equally, entrepreneurship remains predominantly the domain of men. This notion is strongly supported by the Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans. There are of course many potentially confounding factors that can affect the number of women at the very top of the wealth distribution, such as bequests to widows, changes in gender-specific mortality and the age gap between spouses, community property rules and tax treatment of married couples that we discuss in detail. We reach the conclusion that the relative importance of self-made wealth in the twentieth century indeed followed a U-shaped pattern: it decreased in the 1930s and 1940s, and has been increasing since the 1970s. Reconciling it with the flat wealth concentration series in the past 20 years therefore requires that the relative wealth from inheritances has been declining, while self-made wealth has been increasing. These findings are consistent with the pattern observed in the Forbes list, where the fraction of people classified as deriving their wealth from inheritance halved over the past 20 years, and with Census data about self-employment and the number of employers. The results also provide an important qualification to the interpretation of the drop in income and wealth concentration in the 1930s and 1940s: our findings suggests that entrepreneurial wealth declined during that period more than inherited wealth did. This is further supported by historical lists of the wealthy, which s how that the importance of inherited wealth at the top of the wealth distribution peaked after World War II.

http://www.nber.org/reporter/spring06/kopczuk.html
 

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The problem certainly wouldn't go away, but the idea is to make it harder for lobbyists. Having to lobby a single administrative agency or congressman in Washington is a lot easier than having to do the same thing in 50 different states. And state congressmen are much closer to their constituencies than their federal counterparts, so it's possible for concerned citizens to make an impact on that level. Not so at the Federal level.



Corporations are associations of people. Are we going to make a blanket rule that individuals are not allowed to band together to "speak" more effectively on an issue? And money isn't speech, but given modern technology, it's inextricably linked with it. Are we going to make a blanket rule that the First Amendment doesn't apply to print, broadcast or the internet anymore?
And even if the right balance could be struck, it's not as if we can trust the Feds to regulate political speech objectively. After BCRA passed, the reelection rate for incumbents increased significantly and stayed there, mostly because the new regulations were much more burdensome on challengers than incumbents (who already had extensive fund-raising networks in place). So the prospect of letting career pols on Capitol Hill take another whack at this issue leaves me pretty cold.

Thanks for the reply Whiskey. Individuals within that association are free to speak, but when we have a set of rules that favors the richest among us, and then tie political connection and influence to the size of one's wallet, then we arrive at a place that is contrary to the "one man, one vote" concept on which our government was built. I would be in favor of hearing proposals on the public funding of political campaigns, limitations to air time for candidates, and things of that nature. I don't think that we have to make a blanket rule that the First Amendment doesn't apply to print, broadcast or the internet, to limit our politicians from rubbing up on rich dudes to get money injected into the campaign. Perhaps the emphasis should be placed on what our elected officials are and are not allowed to do, making the affects of obnoxious campaign contributions a moot point.
 

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True...keep them from campaigning, but make them appoint new ones every 5-10yrs

make it long term, but good God, a lifetime seat is ridiculous.

Wouldn't that just lead to stacked courts, where one president is appointing all of the court? I don't know how I feel about that.
 

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Wouldn't that just lead to stacked courts, where one president is appointing all of the court? I don't know how I feel about that.

Just throwing out ideas....I have no idea how we'd solve that.

But the courts can be stacked now, and forever. At least this eliminates the lifetime free pass
 

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Thanks for the reply Whiskey. Individuals within that association are free to speak, but when we have a set of rules that favors the richest among us, and then tie political connection and influence to the size of one's wallet, then we arrive at a place that is contrary to the "one man, one vote" concept on which our government was built. I would be in favor of hearing proposals on the public funding of political campaigns, limitations to air time for candidates, and things of that nature. I don't think that we have to make a blanket rule that the First Amendment doesn't apply to print, broadcast or the internet, to limit our politicians from rubbing up on rich dudes to get money injected into the campaign. Perhaps the emphasis should be placed on what our elected officials are and are not allowed to do, making the affects of obnoxious campaign contributions a moot point.

Did you read the Washington Post article posted yesterday? FECA and BCRA both heavily regulated donations to individual candidates and parties, limitations on air time prior to elections, etc. Most of the ideas you've mentioned above are similar, and they simply haven't worked, because the money just flows to less regulated outlets (like Super-PACs). Regulate those away, and something else will pop-up. It results in an endless game of whack-a-mole.

Winning a federal election these days requires a lot of money, because TV commercials, newspaper ads, and radio spots are expensive. Publicly financing campaigns would likely help level the playing-field somewhat between incumbents and challengers, but there will still be an incentive for candidates to cozy up to guys like Koch, Adelson and Soros for an edge. Trying to stop billionaires from funding political speech (through Super-PACs, think tanks, activist groups, etc.) in a way that doesn't shred the First Amendment is really hard, which is why we ended up with Citizen's United.

This problem is endemic in any empire. Concentrating power in one political body increases the stakes of how decisions are made therein. Money flows in, and corruption is inevitable. It's a Hamiltonian problem that requires a Jeffersonian solution.
 

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Our very own Whiskeyjack, articulating "corporations are people" in a way that would make Mittens weep.
 

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Did you read the Washington Post article posted yesterday? FECA and BCRA both heavily regulated donations to individual candidates and parties, limitations on air time prior to elections, etc. Most of the ideas you've mentioned above are similar, and they simply haven't worked, because the money just flows to less regulated outlets (like Super-PACs). Regulate those away, and something else will pop-up. It results in an endless game of whack-a-mole.

Winning a federal election these days requires a lot of money, because TV commercials, newspaper ads, and radio spots are expensive. Publicly financing campaigns would likely help level the playing-field somewhat between incumbents and challengers, but there will still be an incentive for candidates to cozy up to guys like Koch, Adelson and Soros for an edge. Trying to stop billionaires from funding political speech (through Super-PACs, think tanks, activist groups, etc.) in a way that doesn't shred the First Amendment is really hard, which is why we ended up with Citizen's United.

This problem is endemic in any empire. Concentrating power in one political body increases the stakes of how decisions are made therein. Money flows in, and corruption is inevitable. It's a Hamiltonian problem that requires a Jeffersonian solution.

Hadn't read that article until now. Thanks for the link. It is a complex issue, and there appears to be no easy answers. It is clear, however, that it is a broken system in need of insightful overhaul. As long as the politicians have their hands out, there appears to be an endless supply of wealthy doners willing to give them stacks of cash (in return for something, it would seem). As I suggested in my last post, perhaps the answer lies in placing strictor limitations on the candidates instead of focusing on the contributors. The candidates are, afterall, the people we are choosing between to represent us in government. It does not seem at all logical to reward those who play the money grab game better than everyone else. It comes off as foreshadowing of corrupt activity once they get elected.
 

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Hadn't read that article until now. Thanks for the link. It is a complex issue, and there appears to be no easy answers. It is clear, however, that it is a broken system in need of insightful overhaul. As long as the politicians have their hands out, there appears to be an endless supply of wealthy doners willing to give them stacks of cash (in return for something, it would seem). As I suggested in my last post, perhaps the answer lies in placing strictor limitations on the candidates instead of focusing on the contributors. The candidates are, afterall, the people we are choosing between to represent us in government. It does not seem at all logical to reward those who play the money grab game better than everyone else. It comes off as foreshadowing of corrupt activity once they get elected.

We have the ability to not vote for someone.
 

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I agree that it might not help, if only because the ultra-wealthy are almost always able to game the system somehow. But I do think we have a legitimate interest in preventing families from acquiring democracy-threating levels of wealth and power over multiple generations.

And how would it damage the economy? Right-leaning economists tend to favor taxing intergeneration transfers of wealth because: (1) they're minimally distortive (at least compared to other types of taxes); and (2) such transfers aren't meritocratic, so they actually discourage hard work and innovation.

An aggressive estate tax would destroy the incentive to save and invest. It would cripple businesses who need investment and cash flow. Who would take on the risk of an investment without the reward? Where would businesses go to get their capital investment?

Even assuming a wealth transfer discourages an heir from working hard or being innovative (and I don't agree it would), the wealth itself can still be a catalyst for hard work and innovation.
 

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An aggressive estate tax would destroy the incentive to save and invest. It would cripple businesses who need investment and cash flow. Who would take on the risk of an investment without the reward? Where would businesses go to get their capital investment?

Even assuming a wealth transfer discourages an heir from working hard or being innovative (and I don't agree it would), the wealth itself can still be a catalyst for hard work and innovation.

You're right on the money. That same generational wealth has also kept companies alive in bad times....But nobody talks about that.


The fact that people want to tax estate's even more, is absurd.


The government and tax payers have more right to my lifetime nest egg, than my own children all because some feel it's "not fair"?


LOL. Yeah.
 

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If they are all doing it, who do we vote for instead? Unless you are saying vote for nobody, in which case that just sounds like throwing in the towel.

I went 3rd party in the last election. If more people just bothered to educate themselves on the candidates of other parties....

But we're a nation of drones. Slaves to the MSM.
 

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Hadn't read that article until now. Thanks for the link. It is a complex issue, and there appears to be no easy answers. It is clear, however, that it is a broken system in need of insightful overhaul.

No argument there. I'm just less sanguine about the possibility of fixing it.

As long as the politicians have their hands out, there appears to be an endless supply of wealthy doners willing to give them stacks of cash (in return for something, it would seem).

At a fundamental level, this is unavoidable. The rich want power, and the powerful need money. Until men are angels, this isn't going to change.

As I suggested in my last post, perhaps the answer lies in placing strictor limitations on the candidates instead of focusing on the contributors. The candidates are, afterall, the people we are choosing between to represent us in government. It does not seem at all logical to reward those who play the money grab game better than everyone else. It comes off as foreshadowing of corrupt activity once they get elected.

I agree that anything we can do to limit the cost of mounting a successful campaign could be very helpful. If candidates can get into office without having to sell themselves to powerful interest groups, they may be able to represent their constituents (gasp!) instead of those bankrolling them. So sign me up for publicly financed campaigns. But beyond that, I haven't seen a realistic proposal for addressing this issue.

An aggressive estate tax would destroy the incentive to save and invest.

Really? You seem like a hard-working guy. If you found out tomorrow that you were sterile, would you quit your job and start living on welfare because you have no prospect of passing on an estate? Of course not. The desire to pass wealth onto one's descendants ranks pretty far down the list of why people work hard and take on risk.

It would cripple businesses who need investment and cash flow.

Why? If you're a bachelor who's sitting on cash, you've got the exact same incentives to find a good return on that money as someone with a big family who wants to set his kids up with trusts after he dies.

Who would take on the risk of an investment without the reward? Where would businesses go to get their capital investment?

What am I missing here? The economy would not grind to a halt if the Feds decided to take a bigger chunk at death.

Even assuming a wealth transfer discourages an heir from working hard or being innovative (and I don't agree it would), the wealth itself can still be a catalyst for hard work and innovation.

Have you met many trust fund kids? I do a lot of estate planning work, so I see it all the time. The wealthy heir who remains virtuous and motivated despite being set for life is very rare.

Currently, each individual can pass up to $5.43 million tax free. Couples get to pass on double that. Only 1 in every 700 Americans ends up paying any estate tax. It's only hitting multi-millionaires and billionaires. The government has to tax something-- taxing wealth discourages saving, taxing consumption discourages spending, and taxing income discourages earning. Taxing the transfer of wealth at death discourages... what exactly? Compared to the other three, nothing we need to be concerned about.
 
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No argument there. I'm just less sanguine about the possibility of fixing it.




Currently, each individual can pass up to $5.43 million tax free. Couples get to pass on double that. Only 1 in every 700 Americans ends up paying any estate tax. It's only hitting millionaires and billionaires. The government has to tax something-- taxing wealth discourages saving, taxing consumption discourages spending, and taxing income discourages earning. Taxing the transfer of wealth at death discourages... what exactly? Compared to the other three, nothing we need to be concerned about.

There have been many studies that suggest it's at best, net neutral for the government.

In those studies, it was shown that people who had drawn out illnesses paid less in estate taxes. Makes sense given the presumption of higher health care costs. Problem is, after controlling for that, they were paying less than someone who died suddenly. The reason was estate planning. When people came to grips with their mortality, they ended up transferring their wealth in other tax efficient ways to their heirs. In return, the heirs actually contributed less tax revenue to the US given the influx of wealth. So, in total, when the planning techniques were being fully utilized, the gov't was losing on income taxes (both on the high net worth individual as well as the heir) to gain on estate taxes.

Other studies also suggested that much of the wealth that is passed and taxed with estates is not very liquid. In the late 1990's, one of Bill Clinton's fed appointees published a report showing the ineffectiveness of the estate tax. I can't remember of the top of my head if it was that report or another study that spawned from that report, but a study indicated that the forced liquidation of capital of was net negative to GDP as it impacted small business disproportionately. Hence, the report I shared earlier that said wealth concentration hasn't changed over the years largely do to self made entrepreneurs.
 
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In those studies, it was shown that people who had drawn out illnesses paid less in estate taxes. Makes sense given the presumption of higher health care costs. Problem is, after controlling for that, they were paying less than someone who died suddenly. The reason was estate planning. When people came to grips with their mortality, they ended up transferring their wealth in other tax efficient ways to their heirs. In return, the heirs actually contributed less tax revenue to the US given the influx of wealth. So, in total, when the planning techniques were being fully utilized, the gov't was losing on income taxes (both on the high net worth individual as well as the heir) to gain on estate taxes.

Those "tax efficient" planning methods exist due to carefully crafted loopholes in the IRC. If Congress got serious about this issue, it would close them. For instance, when assets are passed on at death, they receive a "step-up" in basis. So for example, if I bought some real estate 10 years ago for $100k which has since appreciated to $1m, I'd have to pay capital gains on the $900k in appreciated value were I to sell it. Similarly, if I gift it to someone before my death, the donee receives my tax basis ($100k) in it, so he'll eventually have to pay taxes on all that appreciated value himself. But if I instead transfer it to him at death, his basis in the property "steps up" to FMV ($1m), meaning the Feds don't see a dime from any of that appreciated value. The Feds lose out on $65b annually due to this rule alone, which is just one of a myriad of such loopholes.

Listen, I'm no fan of taxes, but they're a necessary evil. Since we've got to tax something, I'd much rather tax estates than just about anything else.

Other studies also suggested that much of the wealth that is passed and taxed with estates are not very liquid. In the late 1990's, one of Bill Clinton's fed appointees published a report showing the ineffectiveness of the estate tax. I can't remember of the top of my head if it was that report or another study that spawned from that report, but a study indicated that the forced liquidation of capital of was net negative to GDP as it impacted small business disproportionately. Hence, the report I shared earlier that said wealth concentration hasn't changed over the years largely do to self made entrepreneurs.

The "small" businesses and "family-owned" farms getting forced into liquidation by the estate tax is mostly a myth. As I mentioned above, only marital estates worth more than $11m are paying anything at all, and of that tiny portion of estates (0.14%), an even tinier amount are so illiquid as to cause major problems.
 
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The Economist just published an article titled "An hereditary meritocracy":

“MY BIG fear,” says Paul Ryan, an influential Republican congressman from Wisconsin, is that America is losing sight of the notion that “the condition of your birth does not determine the outcome of your life.” “Opportunity,” according to Elizabeth Warren, a Democratic senator from Massachusetts, “is slipping away.” Marco Rubio, a Republican senator from Florida, thinks that “each element” of the sequence that leads to success “is eroding in our country.” “Of course you have to work hard, of course you have to take responsibility,” says Hillary Clinton, a former first lady, senator and secretary of state, “but we are making it so difficult for people who do those things to feel that they are going to achieve the American dream.” When discussing the chances of ordinary Americans rising to the top, politicians who agree about little else sound remarkably similar.

Before the word meritocracy was coined by Michael Young, a British sociologist and institutional entrepreneur, in the 1950s there was a different name for the notion that power, success and wealth should be distributed according to talent and diligence, rather than by accident of birth: American. For sure, America has always had rich and powerful families, from the floor of the Senate to the boardrooms of the steel industry. But it has also held more fervently than any other country the belief that all comers can penetrate that elite as long as they have talent, perseverance and gumption. At times when that has not been the case Americans have responded with authentic outrage, surmising that the people at the top are, as Nick Carraway said, “a rotten crowd”, with bootlegging Gatsby better than the whole damn bunch put together.

Today’s elite is a long way from the rotten lot of West Egg. Compared to those of days past it is by and large more talented, better schooled, harder working (and more fabulously remunerated) and more diligent in its parental duties. It is not a place where one easily gets by on birth or connections alone. At the same time it is widely seen as increasingly hard to get into.

Some self-perpetuation by elites is unavoidable; the children of America’s top dogs benefit from nepotism just as those in all other societies do. But something else is now afoot. More than ever before, America’s elite is producing children who not only get ahead, but deserve to do so: they meet the standards of meritocracy better than their peers, and are thus worthy of the status they inherit.

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This is partly the result of various admirable aspects of American society: the willingness of people to give money and time to their children’s schools; a reluctance to impose a uniform model of education across the country; competition between universities to build the most lavish facilities. Such traits are hard to object to, and even if one does object they are yet harder to do anything about. In aggregate, though, they increase the chances of wealthy parents passing advantage on to their children. In the long run that could change the way the country works, the way it thinks about itself, and the way that people elsewhere judge its claim to be an exceptional beacon of opportunity.

Part of the change is due to the increased opportunities for education and employment won by American women in the twentieth century. A larger pool of women enjoying academic and professional success, or at least showing early signs of doing so, has made it easier for pairs of young adults who will both excel to get together. Between 1960 and 2005 the share of men with university degrees who married women with university degrees nearly doubled, from 25% to 48%, and the change shows no sign of going into reverse.

Assortative mating of this sort seems likely, on average, to reinforce the traits that bring the couple together. Though genes play a role in the variation of intelligence from person to person, this is not a crude genetic determinism. People tend to encourage in their children what they value in themselves and their partners. Thus people bought together by their education and status will typically deem such things important and do more to bring them out in their children, both deliberately and by lived example—processes in which nature and nurture are more than likely to work hand in hand.


Not only do graduate couples tend to value education; they also tend to have money to spend on it. And though the best predictor of an American child’s success in school has long been the parents’ educational level—a factor which graduates are already ahead on, by defintition—money is an increasingly important factor. According to Sean Reardon of Stanford the past decades have seen a growing correlation between parental income and children’s test scores. Sort the students who took the SAT, a test for college applicants, in 2014 by parental income and the results get steadily better the further up the ladder you climb (see chart 1).

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Another factor is family stability. Wealthier and better educated American families tend to marry before having children, and like most married couples they split up less than unmarried ones. This correlates with various good outcomes for their children.

The educational benefits of being born to wealthy parents are already clear in toddlers (see article). Families which are used to and eager for success try to build on them at kindergarten. Competition for private kindergarten places among high-status New Yorkers is farcically intense. Jennifer Brozost of Peas, an educational consultancy, recommends that parents apply to 8-10 kindergartens, write “love letters” to their top three, and bone up on how to make the right impression when visiting. Some parents pay for sessions at which their children are coached on how to play in a way that pleases those in charge of admissions.

Once children enter the public school system—which about 90% of them do—the advantages of living in a well-off neighbourhood kick in. America is unusual in funding its public schools through property taxes. States have a floor price for the education of each child, but parents can vote to pay more local tax in order to top this up, and frequently do. Funding levels per pupil can vary by up to 50% across a state, says Mike McShane of the American Enterprise Institute, a think-tank.

Sometimes this results in poor students in cities that collect lots of property tax being better funded than the children of wealthier families in the suburbs. More often, though, the opposite is true. The result is that America is one of only three advanced countries that spends more on richer pupils than poor ones, according to the OECD (the other two are Turkey and Israel). And on top of spending on school, there is spending outside it: the gap between what rich and poor parents shell out for museum trips, music lessons, books and so on has been widening (see chart 2). In a world where lots of people do well on SATs, cultivating extra skills matters.

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The opportunities for parental investment continue in higher education, which is ever more costly (see chart 3) but offers ever greater returns. Between 1979 and 2012 the income gap between the median family with college-educated parents and one with high-school educated parents grew four times greater than the headline-grabbing income gap between the top 1% of earners and the rest, according to David Autor of MIT, rising from $30,000 to $58,000.

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Those whose parents have provided good schooling and good after-schooling have advantages already—but some get an extra one from institutions that discriminate in favour of the children of alumni. According to a survey by the Crimson, Harvard’s newspaper, 16% of the 2,023 who got in last year had at least one parent among the university’s alumni. Harvard says that legacy preference is only ever a tie breaker in admissions; but with 17 applicants for every place there can be a lot of ties.

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Most of the country’s research universities and liberal arts colleges grant preferences to legacy students; the practice seems widespread at universities just below the top tier. The University of Pennsylvania is particularly friendly to the children of alumni, says Katherine Cohen of Ivywise, a firm with several ex-deans of admissions on its books which provides advice on getting children into the best schools. Though it is rare, stories still crop up of the parents of academically borderline students buying admission for their children with a generous bequest to a particular school.

The fierce competition between universities to build endowments makes doing such favours for alumni enticing. And there is a public-good argument for it: a student who comes with $1m attached can pay for financial aid for many others. But in practice this is not how the system works. While it is true that some elite universities are rich enough to give out a lot of financial support, people who can pay the full whack are still at the centre of the business model for many. Mitchell Stevens, a Stanford sociologist who spent a year working in the admissions office of an unnamed liberal arts college in the north-east, found that the candidate the system most prized was one who could pay full tuition and was just good enough to make one of the higher-profile sports teams but had a strong enough academic record not to eat into the annual allocation reserved for students whose brains work best when encased in a football helmet.

Combined with the long-running push for racial diversity on college campuses, this makes for an esoteric definition of merit. Men are slightly under-represented across college campuses; African-Americans are not, but can still benefit from some forms of affirmative action; and there is always a need for those who are good at sports. Poor whites and Asians get a bad deal from this kind of filtering. Though the Ivies all deny operating quotas to limit Asian students—the best performing group in SAT scores—the number admitted each year has fallen from its peak in 2008and stays strangely consistent both from year to year and between institutions. Caltech, a university which admits purely on academic ability, has more Asian students than other elite schools. It also has much less feared sports teams.


On graduation, many members of America’s future elite will head for the law firms, banks and consultancies where starting salaries are highest. Lauren Rivera of Kellogg School of Management interviewed 120 people charged with hiring in these sectors for a forthcoming book. She found that though they did not set out to recruit students from wealthy backgrounds, the companies had a penchant for graduates who had been to well-known universities and played varsity sports (lacrosse correlates with success particularly well). The result was a graduate intake that included people with skin of every shade but rarely anyone with parents who worked blue-collar jobs. “When we are asked to identify merit,” explains Ms Rivera, “we tend to find people like ourselves.”

Something similar has happened in corner offices of America’s biggest companies. As computing power has increased and clerical jobs have been automated, the distance between the shop floor and executive positions has increased. It was never common for people to start at the bottom and work their way to the top. Now it is close to impossible. Research by Nitin Nohria, the dean of Harvard Business School, and his colleagues has shown how in the second half of the 20th century a corporate elite where family networks and religion mattered most was replaced by one whose members required an MBA or similar qualification from a business school. This makes the managers better qualified. It also means they are the product of a serial filtering that has winnowed their numbers at school, college and work before they get their MBAs.

More than 50 years ago Michael Young warned that the incipient meritocracy to which he had given a name could be as narrow and pernicious, in its way, as aristocracies of old. In America some academics and thinkers on the left are coming to similar conclusions. Lani Guinier of Harvard speaks for many when she rails against the “testocracy” that now governs America. Once progressives saw academic testing as a way of breaking down old structures of privilege; there is now a growing sense that it simply serves to advantage those who have been schooled to excel in such situations. Heirs to Andrew Jackson on the right have their own worries about the self perpetuation of an American elite, but no desire at all to use government as a leveller. Both sides can agree that the blending of merit and inheritance is un-American. Neither has plausible ideas for what to do about it.

LAX, you crafty bastard.
 
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I don't say this with confidence, so please tear it apart.

The problem certainly wouldn't go away, but the idea is to make it harder for lobbyists. Having to lobby a single administrative agency or congressman in Washington is a lot easier than having to do the same thing in 50 different states. And state congressmen are much closer to their constituencies than their federal counterparts, so it's possible for concerned citizens to make an impact on that level. Not so at the Federal level.

I'm on board with that, but plenty of stuff has to be dealt with at the federal level and congressional reforms to insulate them from lobbyists are...?

Term limits? Two six-year Senate terms; five two-year House terms. (In my congressional district (OH-5) four men have represented the district since Hitler marched into Poland, and it would likely be three if Paul Gillmor die via falling down his house stairs in 2007. Incumbents are 39-0 since 1938.)

Lobbying limits? Ten-year ban on lobbying after congressional career? It's currently one year for Representatives and two years for Senators.

Tax? 100% tax on earnings exceeding your congressional pay for ten years after your congressional career?

Can't we eliminate Columbus Day and male Election Day a national holiday? Can't we do the same in the spring with some stupid holiday and make all primary elections on the same day too?

Corporations are associations of people.

If people form corporations to make a deal with society to limit their liability, surely part of that deal can be regulations on political speech. I don't think that's unreasonable. No?

Are we going to make a blanket rule that individuals are not allowed to band together to "speak" more effectively on an issue?

Yeah, basically. Seems like a net positive, no? What's the dystopian future if we say that if you form a corporation part of that deal is that you cannot fund a PAC or material mentioning the name of a political party or candidate? (Or other regulation on corporate speech it's just an example.)
 
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Really? You seem like a hard-working guy. If you found out tomorrow that you were sterile, would you quit your job and start living on welfare because you have no prospect of passing on an estate? Of course not.

Now we're talking about two different things here: (1) the incentive to earn and (2) the incentive to save/invest.

The incentive to earn as much as possible wouldn't be directly affected by an aggressive estate tax policy (I would argue the policy may indirectly limit the ability to earn). The incentive to save and invest those earnings would be affected.

I would still work and I would work hard. I enjoy producing (maybe I don't know any better) and I still have an incentive to earn. But I assure you my spending habits would change. There'd be minimal investment and a ton of frivolous spending.

The desire to pass wealth onto one's descendants ranks pretty far down the list of why people work hard and take on risk.

I don't have kids so my opinion on the subject isn't worth much, but I am driven to produce, save and invest to make sure any children I may have will have a great chance to succeed and a financial head start. I would have assumed most people felt the same way but I could be way off.

Why? If you're a bachelor who's sitting on cash, you've got the exact same incentives to find a good return on that money as someone with a big family who wants to set his kids up with trusts after he dies.

Maybe when I'm in my 20s, 30s or 40s but at some point I'm cashing out and spending like a drunken sailor - cars, booze, boats, gambling, hooks, ND football, etc. What's the incentive to continue to invest?

What am I missing here? The economy would not grind to a halt if the Feds decided to take a bigger chunk at death.
That depends on how much of a chunk they're going to take. When I think aggressive, I think a large percentage (in excess of 50%) and no exemptions. There would still be investment but there wouldn't be as much and the economy would take a serious hit, IMO. Especially industries that require costly capital assets to produce a product or service.

Currently, each individual can pass up to $5.43 million tax free. Couples get to pass on double that. Only 1 in every 700 Americans ends up paying any estate tax. It's only hitting multi-millionaires and billionaires. The government has to tax something-- taxing wealth discourages saving, taxing consumption discourages spending, and taxing income discourages earning. Taxing the transfer of wealth at death discourages... what exactly? Compared to the other three, nothing we need to be concerned about.

I'm not a proponent of any estate tax but I don't think the current rate, combined with the exemption, is aggressive.

Have you met many trust fund kids? I do a lot of estate planning work, so I see it all the time. The wealthy heir who remains virtuous and motivated despite being set for life is very rare.

Yes, I know many. You're not far off. They're not going to blow you away with their work ethic but they are crafty and motivated to make money. Their money has a tendency to fall into the lap of innovative people who are motivated. Not always...but sometimes.

Now if you'll excuse me, Whiskey, this lazy fuck trust fund having boss of mine is blowing up my phone...
 
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