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Black Irish

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I think that's the point. The game is rigged. Congress is made up of a ton of rich people who make laws to benefit rich people.

Mortgage interest deductions and many other tax deductions benefit the working and middle class. I'd just like to know at what point, or what income level, taking deductions in order to reduce one's tax burden becomes, in BobD's words "socially irresponsible?"
 

ACamp1900

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Lets put it this way, I don't think one member of Congress, or anyone in the administration, gives two shits about you or I, or our children, or any of our health... They are all in it for themselves...

But let me ask you this, you honestly think thousands of pages that they admitted to not having read, was slammed through using every single political trick known to man solely in the interest of helping people??

Beavis, meet Butthead.
 
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Lets put it this way, I don't think one member of Congress, or anyone in the administration, gives two shits about you or I, or our children, or any of our health... They are all in it for themselves...

But let me ask you this, you honestly think thousands of pages that they admitted to not reading was slammed through using every single political trick known to man solely in the interest of helping people??

Beavis, meet Butthead.

This x1000.
 

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I do believe there are some well meaning individuals in congress, the administration, and both parties. Not all of them.

Do the well meaning make some less than favorable decisions? Yes. Is some of that brought on by the way our system is set up? Yes. Do they wheel and deal to try and get as close to their goals as possible? Yes.
 

phgreek

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Lets put it this way, I don't think one member of Congress, or anyone in the administration, gives two shits about you or I, or our children, or any of our health... They are all in it for themselves...

But let me ask you this, you honestly think thousands of pages that they admitted to not having read, was slammed through using every single political trick known to man solely in the interest of helping people??

Beavis, meet Butthead.

DING, DING, DING...give this man a prize....
 

phgreek

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There's this new healthcare law to attempt to help people that I don't agree with, and I hope will fail, so I'm gonna crank call an hourly employee that works there and waste their time....what is this Bevis and Butthead?

I prefer the Jerky Boys approach...but I'm old I guess.

I think his point was to probe regarding a serious question...now the chances "Ronald" had the answers...not very likely...but you can bet "Ronald" is going to ask someone...and Ronald may have a better answer...and so will all of the help, as the script will get updated to address similar questions with something a little less Robotic. The other point..."Ronald" has only heard the roses side, and deserves to know it is entirely possible he is aiding in lining folks up for a **** sandwich...some guys...even minimum wagers care HOW they make a buck...
 

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Got word today from my employer that they are increasing my share of healthcare cost by 5% next year. I thought these costs were supposed to go down.

Obviously you were in a non-qualifying substandard plan.
 

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There's this new healthcare law to attempt to help people that I don't agree with, and I hope will fail, so I'm gonna crank call an hourly employee that works there and waste their time....what is this Bevis and Butthead?

Well if we're not allowed to use the help line to seek answers, who do you suggest?

Nancy Pelosi hasn't read the ACA.

Kathleen Sebelious with a staff the size of an army can't cite facts or figures on the ACA yet she has a platoon of speech writers and spinmeisters.

Our poor president has been so duped by his staff that he sold the public on ACA with features that don't exist according to those infamous right wing mouthpieces CNN and MSNBC.

Trying the Help line would seem to make sense as the "professionals" aren't acting very professional.


2300 years ago Diogenes walked the streets of Corinth looking for an honest man. He wouldn't waste his time today in Foggy Bottom on that quest. But I'd be happy if he could find the one person that has the ACA answers. Surely there is one knowledgable person somewhere in the administration that has truthful answers. Any suggestions on who that is, Bob?
 

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NBC/WSJ poll: Obama approval sinks to new low - First Read

Yet another biased poll by that right wing media conspriacists, NBC/The Wall Street Journal.


President Barack Obama’s approval rating has declined to an all-time low as public frustration with Washington and pessimism about the nation’s direction continue to grow, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Just 42 percent approve of the president’s job performance, which is down five points from earlier this month. By comparison, 51 percent disapprove of his job in office -- tied for his all-time high.

The NBC/WSJ pollsters argue that no single reason explains Obama’s lower poll standing. Rather, they attribute it to the accumulation of setbacks since the summer -- allegations of spying by the National Security Agency, the debate over Syria’s chemical weapons, the government shutdown and now intense scrutiny over the problems associated with the health care law’s federal website and its overall implementation.

Those events have combined to erase some of the advantage the president gained with polls showing most Americans blame congressional Republicans for the shutdown.
And for the first time in the survey, even Obama’s personal ratings are upside-down, with 41 percent viewing him a favorable light and 45 percent viewing him negatively.
“Personally and politically, the public’s assessment is two thumbs down,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.
 
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Lets put it this way, I don't think one member of Congress, or anyone in the administration, gives two shits about you or I, or our children, or any of our health... They are all in it for themselves...

But let me ask you this, you honestly think thousands of pages that they admitted to not having read, was slammed through using every single political trick known to man solely in the interest of helping people??

Beavis, meet Butthead.

Boom. And this is why our country was founded on the principle of LIMITED GOVERNMENT. The less power/ inlfuence all these $hitheads have, the better we all are to live our lives and pursue happiness as we please.

Outstanding post.
 

phgreek

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There's this new healthcare law to attempt to help people that I don't agree with, and I hope will fail, so I'm gonna crank call an hourly employee that works there and waste their time....what is this Bevis and Butthead?

Are you that thick? That wasn't a real person, it was a chat bot.
 

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There's this new healthcare law to attempt to help people that I don't agree with, and I hope will fail, so I'm gonna crank call an hourly employee that works there and waste their time....what is this Bevis and Butthead?

No......if you are looking for them they are in the White House now.
 

BobD

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Are you that thick? That wasn't a real person, it was a chat bot.

Ok, then you were taking up space and time on a website that legitimate people are having problems getting in. Are you that thick?
 

Black Irish

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Lets put it this way, I don't think one member of Congress, or anyone in the administration, gives two shits about you or I, or our children, or any of our health... They are all in it for themselves...

But let me ask you this, you honestly think thousands of pages that they admitted to not having read, was slammed through using every single political trick known to man solely in the interest of helping people??

Beavis, meet Butthead.

+1. Reps. They may want to help people, but most are just as interested in creating a legacy to serve their egos through unwieldy, poorly conceived legislation that will wind up being a net negative drag on America. Too often the answer for so many in government is not "let's fix what we have," but, instead, "let's throw even more regulations, taxes, and top down control on an already strained, complicated system and hope it works so that people think we are accomplishing something."
 

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The ACA was nothing more than a way to transfer 1/6th of our economy, health care, to the government.

that is ALL. because if progressives TRULY wanted to help EVERYONE...they would've just crammed a single payer system through and added everyone to the government tab.


But Americans don't want that. And we didn't want the ACA either. Reforms needed to be made. But this is a trainwreck.
 

ACamp1900

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Ok, then you were taking up space and time on a website that legitimate people are having problems getting in. Are you that thick?

LOL... now it's wizards fault the system isn't working...
 

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so i have this right...insurance companies who have provided plans that dont meet all the regulations of the new ACA law are havng to drop people ecause their covergae was lousy and people have an issue with that?

to me this exposes and lets people know just how ****** their plans were in the first place, no?

i know most of you are against the ACA o matter what and othing anyne says will make you EVER even comtemplkate that it maybe just maybe could help some folks now and over the long run.

having witnessed my neighbor's 13 year old son who has had at least a dozen oprations with multiple week hisptial stays, and having "hit the cap" on what the "insurance" he had would pay, resulting in damn near bi annual fundraisers to keep his son breathing is enough for me to say enough of al these bullshit insurance company policies the majority of which have been set up NOT to pay out when disaster strikes.

GO Irish

ps these exchanges are run by and funnel biz to private companies not "the government"
 

phgreek

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Ok, then you were taking up space and time on a website that legitimate people are having problems getting in. Are you that thick?

Relax...not going to matter...can take 500 years if it needs to...going to go single payer w a huge bailout, and it will hurt this country...ironically it will happen because the Libs will hold the uninsured they just created to the head of conservatives to get it done...

but hey, it'll all be worth it...aaaand the President will get to claim years from now how it was the plan all along...

You ok with it if it goes down like that?
 

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so i have this right...insurance companies who have provided plans that dont meet all the regulations of the new ACA law are havng to drop people ecause their covergae was lousy and people have an issue with that?

to me this exposes and lets people know just how ****** their plans were in the first place, no?

i know most of you are against the ACA o matter what and othing anyne says will make you EVER even comtemplkate that it maybe just maybe could help some folks now and over the long run.

having witnessed my neighbor's 13 year old son who has had at least a dozen oprations with multiple week hisptial stays, and having "hit the cap" on what the "insurance" he had would pay, resulting in damn near bi annual fundraisers to keep his son breathing is enough for me to say enough of al these bullshit insurance company policies the majority of which have been set up NOT to pay out when disaster strikes.

GO Irish

ps these exchanges are run by and funnel biz to private companies not "the government"

Sorry you had to see that...glad folks rallied.

The injustices you speak of were dealt with in the law, and the market place balanced...its what is afoot now that will cause this to implode...just watch.
 

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Ok, then you were taking up space and time on a website that legitimate people are having problems getting in. Are you that thick?

If I go to Google, Amazon, or eBay and d**k around with their customer service people, I'm pretty sure it's not going to bring the system to a crashing halt.

That's not to mention the substantive point of my conversation with the representative. The ACA DOES violate the Equal Protection Clause because it DOES treat men and women differently. I wasn't just playing around. I was actually trying to deduce what pre-programmed response the administration had to such a challenge. Clearly, they didn't have one.
 

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i know most of you are against the ACA o matter what and othing anyne says will make you EVER even comtemplkate that it maybe just maybe could help some folks now and over the long run.

Do they speak English in What?
 

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so i have this right...insurance companies who have provided plans that dont meet all the regulations of the new ACA law are havng to drop people ecause their covergae was lousy and people have an issue with that?
Yes, that's what we have an issue with. "Good" plans exist. "Crappy" plans exist. If you'd rather save some money and buy a crappy plan, you should be free to do so. If you choose NOT to buy ANYTHING, you should be free to do that as well. If you get sick and you chose not to buy insurance? Tough sh*t. That's what insurance IS. You buy insurance IN CASE something happens. If you HAVE TO buy insurance, there's no point in insurance at all. Not to mention that the new plans are often WORSE than what was offered before.

to me this exposes and lets people know just how ****** their plans were in the first place, no?
I don't think people are so stupid that they didn't know what they signed up for when they bought their insurance. If they bought a product without understanding it, that's their own problem. I bought dinner at a restaurant the other night and it sucked. That doesn't mean the government needs to take over restaurants and introduce new "minimum acceptable culinary standards" that drive the price of a steak up to $72.

i know most of you are against the ACA o matter what and othing anyne says will make you EVER even comtemplkate that it maybe just maybe could help some folks now and over the long run.
A government takeover of this size and scope better do a hell of a lot more than "maybe just maybe help SOME folks."
 

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so i have this right...insurance companies who have provided plans that dont meet all the regulations of the new ACA law are havng to drop people ecause their covergae was lousy and people have an issue with that?

Lousy according to whom?

to me this exposes and lets people know just how ****** their plans were in the first place, no?

Have you considered that these people who bought these plans actually like them? They could have chosen other plans but the government has now taken away that choice. Read: liberal hypocrisy.

i know most of you are against the ACA o matter what and othing anyne says will make you EVER even comtemplkate that it maybe just maybe could help some folks now and over the long run.

You're being close minded about most peoples opposition to it. Open your mind up. Consider this. If I believed that the ACA would make healthcare more affordable or a better product I'd be all for it. The problem is that adding more bureaucracy and government boards while reducing the options of the recipient will not do that. Reality, history and the facts have proven this. I have no doubt that it will help some folks, but as always happens with government interference, it will cause more societal pain in the long run than other alternatives.

Have YOU even considered that the ACA might make the situation worse?

having witnessed my neighbor's 13 year old son who has had at least a dozen oprations with multiple week hisptial stays, and having "hit the cap" on what the "insurance" he had would pay, resulting in damn near bi annual fundraisers to keep his son breathing is enough for me to say enough of al these bullshit insurance company policies the majority of which have been set up NOT to pay out when disaster strikes.

Sad indeed. I hoped they searched for help from a number of charity medical organizations.

ps these exchanges are run by and funnel biz to private companies not "the government"

The government funneling business....and forcing people to buy something. Wow. No opportunity for that to get effed-up is there? i guess that guarantees efficiency.
 

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so i have this right...insurance companies who have provided plans that dont meet all the regulations of the new ACA law are havng to drop people ecause their covergae was lousy and people have an issue with that?

to me this exposes and lets people know just how ****** their plans were in the first place, no?

i know most of you are against the ACA o matter what and othing anyne says will make you EVER even comtemplkate that it maybe just maybe could help some folks now and over the long run.

having witnessed my neighbor's 13 year old son who has had at least a dozen oprations with multiple week hisptial stays, and having "hit the cap" on what the "insurance" he had would pay, resulting in damn near bi annual fundraisers to keep his son breathing is enough for me to say enough of al these bullshit insurance company policies the majority of which have been set up NOT to pay out when disaster strikes.

GO Irish

ps these exchanges are run by and funnel biz to private companies not "the government"

You assume those plans were "******" because what? The ACA said so?!?!?

And most the people being dropped are happy with their plans and were told, by your boy Obama, that they could keep their plans.

And the "long run" is the scariest part!!! It was passed on emotion and stories of people dying in the street. What's "best" for the country is a system that covered 90% of it's people and had a competitive marketplace. The old system.

Did it need changes? Sure. Did it need the ACA? Hell no
 

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Yes, that's what we have an issue with. "Good" plans exist. "Crappy" plans exist. If you'd rather save some money and buy a crappy plan, you should be free to do so. If you choose NOT to buy ANYTHING, you should be free to do that as well. If you get sick and you chose not to buy insurance? Tough sh*t. That's what insurance IS. You buy insurance IN CASE something happens. If you HAVE TO buy insurance, there's no point in insurance at all. Not to mention that the new plans are often WORSE than what was offered before.


I don't think people are so stupid that they didn't know what they signed up for when they bought their insurance. If they bought a product without understanding it, that's their own problem. I bought dinner at a restaurant the other night and it sucked. That doesn't mean the government needs to take over restaurants and introduce new "minimum acceptable culinary standards" that drive the price of a steak up to $72.


A government takeover of this size and scope better do a hell of a lot more than "maybe just maybe help SOME folks."

Where liberals FAIL. Passing something like this to help about 10% of our pop. Idiotic
 

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Where liberals FAIL. Passing something like this to help about 10% of our pop. Idiotic

And the media evaluates them based on their "noble intentions," not on the miserable results.

Docs resisting ObamaCare | New York Post

A poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society finds that 44 percent of MDs said they are not participating in the nation’s new health-care plan.

Another 33 percent say they’re still not sure whether to become ObamaCare providers.
 
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