Politics

[Polish Leppy 22]

The fair share is what the Congress says it is. Also, everyone is acting like the poor don't pay taxes. They pay all kinds of regressive taxes such as sales tax, bridge tolls, gas tax, user fees...so if someone could produce a figure that shows who pays what in total taxes/fees as a proportion of total income then I think we would all have a clearer understanding of how "fair" our tax system on the Federal, State and local levels are.

Anyhow, say what you want about taxes but letting individuals accumulate massive ammounts of wealth and pass that along to their offspring is the beginning of the end of any sort of free and merit based society. It concentrates politcal and economic power and creates a completely insular ruling class that is out of touch with 99.9% of humanity. If you want to see what type of society is produced by such policies and that type of thinking look at present day Mexico.

Yep you've lost it.

1) To be clear, the House passes a bill, sends it to the Senate, and then to the President if both pass it.

2) We are talking about federal income taxes and who pays for what. The fact remains that the "super rich" pay for damn near everything on a federal level.

3) If you think the poor should be exempt from more taxes like tolls, sales tax, and gas tax you should take that up with your local and state governments.

4) You nor any politican has any moral or legal authority to tell people what money to give to their children/ families. Sorry.

5) If you're concerned about Congress being out of touch with the 99%, march right on down to DC and encourage them (especially all the Democrats who voted for this) to enroll in obamacare, since they are all exempt.

 

[wizards8507]

How do you expect goods to get to you?

Walmart (or whoever) will pay the tolls when they take their trucks over those bridges. My goods will have an implicit tax included the price when I purchase them. The end consumer who benefited from the infrastructure would ultimately foot the bill.

And yet, his life is exponentially better with the remaining $700,000 versus the man with the remaining $40,000.

Good for him. Maybe because he busted his *** and started a company that employs hundreds of people. Or maybe he was just plain lucky. Or maybe his granddaddy busted HIS *** and gave him piles of cash to blow on cars and boats. I don't begrudge him any of that.

Nobody* is poor on accident. Hard work and talent pay off. Limiting the payoff limits incentive, which promotes stagnation. Steve Jobs didn't bless the world with his genius because he was a super nice guy. He did what he did so he could get filthy rich. Same with Henry Ford, Walt Disney, JP Morgan, John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Jay-Z, Oprah Winfrey, Mark Zuckerburg, and on and on and on.

*Obviously excluding the disabled, who deserve to be taken care of.

 

[ACamp1900]

On a somewhat similar note… What are everyone’s thoughts on estates? I have seen some high ranking politicians suggest or simply flat out state that children have no right to their parent’s holdings, but the fed absolutely does have such rights…

 

[irishpat183]

And that means that the person with $700,000 can be reasonably expected to have a better quality of life than the man with $40,000. So the "it's not fair to the rich" argument is baloney. It might not be "fair", but it affects rich people's quality of life less than the poor. So what is lacking in "fairness", is made up for by that friggin' sweet island they own.

^the problem with this country.


Don't like your situation?? go make more money. Otherwise...Quit hating on the guy that has it good.

So because I can afford it...I should pick up the slack? Sounds like freedom to me.

 

[irishpat183]

On a somewhat similar note… What are everyone’s thoughts on estates? I have seen some high ranking politicians suggest or simply flat out state that children have no right to their parent’s holdings, but the fed absolutely does have such rights…

I think those politicans should be the first in line to cancel their own....


That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. I know my goal is to work my *** off to give my kids a better life than I had. My father did the same.

And for those morons that cliam "it's breeding a socity of kids that don't wanna work for what they have"....that may be true for some. But thta's more likely to come from the liberal arts degree, whiny, self entitled liberal than the rich kid who likely watched his dad work his *** off for what he had.


My father is a form CEO of the largest janitorial company in the US. Has a sweet retirement account, life insurance...etc. Yet I can't think of anything I'd rather be doing than working my *** off and ending up more successful than him.


And who should that money go too?? The broke dicks that don't wanna work and complain about the "evil rich guys"?? LOL. Talk about a HORRIBLE investment.




End rant.

 

[Bluto]

I think those politicans should be the first in line to cancel their own....


That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. I know my goal is to work my *** off to give my kids a better life than I had. My father did the same.

And for those morons that cliam "it's breeding a socity of kids that don't wanna work for what they have"....that may be true for some. But thta's more likely to come from the liberal arts degree, whiny, self entitled liberal than the rich kid who likely watched his dad work his *** off for what he had.


My father is a form CEO of the largest janitorial company in the US. Has a sweet retirement account, life insurance...etc. Yet I can't think of anything I'd rather be doing than working my *** off and ending up more successful than him.


And who should that money go too?? The broke dicks that don't wanna work and complain about the "evil rich guys"?? LOL. Talk about a HORRIBLE investment.




End rant.

I know a bunch of people who work with screwball "rich kids" and have worked with kids quite a bit over the years. Trust me when I say that the parents of said screwballs come from all kinds of political backgrounds.

Anyhow, the only things kids "need" are food, shelter and the nurturing and social tools to function as responsible human beings. So, if some kid needs to make due with a couple million instead of a couple billion dollars at 18 so some other kid can be provided with the basics that he or she needs as well as access to opportunities and resources to become a responsible citizen, I'm all for it.

 

[Bluto]

Walmart (or whoever) will pay the tolls when they take their trucks over those bridges. My goods will have an implicit tax included the price when I purchase them. The end consumer who benefited from the infrastructure would ultimately foot the bill.



Good for him. Maybe because he busted his *** and started a company that employs hundreds of people. Or maybe he was just plain lucky. Or maybe his granddaddy busted HIS *** and gave him piles of cash to blow on cars and boats. I don't begrudge him any of that.

Nobody* is poor on accident. Hard work and talent pay off. Limiting the payoff limits incentive, which promotes stagnation. Steve Jobs didn't bless the world with his genius because he was a super nice guy. He did what he did so he could get filthy rich. Same with Henry Ford, Walt Disney, JP Morgan, John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Jay-Z, Oprah Winfrey, Mark Zuckerburg, and on and on and on.

*Obviously excluding the disabled, who deserve to be taken care of.

This sounds just like...Joseph Goebbels!

Actually, there are quite a number of studies on the field of architecture that prove hard work and talent mean squat. I can also assure you that success in the music industry and entertainment industry have as much to do with dumb luck as anything. Seriously did they just ditch sociology as a core requirement since I left school?

 

[Wild Bill]

The fair share is what the Congress says it is. Also, everyone is acting like the poor don't pay taxes. They pay all kinds of regressive taxes such as sales tax, bridge tolls, gas tax, user fees...so if someone could produce a figure that shows who pays what in total taxes/fees as a proportion of total income then I think we would all have a clearer understanding of how "fair" our tax system on the Federal, State and local levels are.

Anyhow, say what you want about taxes but letting individuals accumulate massive ammounts of wealth and pass that along to their offspring is the beginning of the end of any sort of free and merit based society. It concentrates politcal and economic power and creates a completely insular ruling class that is out of touch with 99.9% of humanity. If you want to see what type of society is produced by such policies and that type of thinking look at present day Mexico.

Milton Friedman - Redistribution of Wealth - YouTube

 

[wizards8507]

On a somewhat similar note… What are everyone’s thoughts on estates? I have seen some high ranking politicians suggest or simply flat out state that children have no right to their parent’s holdings, but the fed absolutely does have such rights…

It's not about the CHILD'S right to the PARENT'S holdings, it's the other way around. The PARENT has the right to his OWN holdings and to do with those holdings as he or she sees fit (including giving it to the child).

 

[Buster Bluth]

Walmart (or whoever) will pay the tolls when they take their trucks over those bridges. My goods will have an implicit tax included the price when I purchase them. The end consumer who benefited from the infrastructure would ultimately foot the bill.

So why wouldn't Walmart and Co just skip that step and build the roads themselves?

Good for him. Maybe because he busted his *** and started a company that employs hundreds of people. Or maybe he was just plain lucky. Or maybe his granddaddy busted HIS *** and gave him piles of cash to blow on cars and boats. I don't begrudge him any of that.

I don't begrudge them either...

This was all hashed out pretty thoroughly during the Enlightenment Era (which ideologically birthed this country), when social scientists published works discussing how an incredibly wealthy man isn't at all free when he must protect himself constantly from the poor, a la a king and his palace. Works the same way today with many billionaires in second and third world countries. Perhaps the most perfect example: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/14/article-1320426-0B9BD3DB000005DC-346_634x752.jpg

I do have the common sense to look at countries around the world where there is irrelevant middle classes and huge poor populations, and realize it's an awful, awful situation. There is no "safety net" in Mexico, still an awful place.

Nobody* is poor on accident. Hard work and talent pay off. Limiting the payoff limits incentive, which promotes stagnation. Steve Jobs didn't bless the world with his genius because he was a super nice guy. He did what he did so he could get filthy rich. Same with Henry Ford, Walt Disney, JP Morgan, John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Jay-Z, Oprah Winfrey, Mark Zuckerburg, and on and on and on.

*Obviously excluding the disabled, who deserve to be taken care of.

Maybe the most ignorant thing I've ever read in my entire life. Like honestly, what world do you ****ing live in?

I'm really trying to be calm on this thread, and have been 99% over the last year, but dude this is just 100% retarded thinking 1) that higher taxes on someone like Steve Jobs decreases his motivation, and 2) that nobody is poor on accident. Like honestly, I wish I could jump through this computer and shake some sense into you.

You could tax the CEO of (Boeing) 99% and it wouldn't hurt his ability to run (Boeing) one bit theoretically. He isn't using his own money to run or expand the company. Most start ups don't either, that'd be venture capitalists' investment cash. The CEO of (Boeing) is being paid to run (Boeing) and (Boeing)'s money, and doing a good job theoretically creates jobs--regardless of his personal wage and tax rate. Plenty of the 1% are employees too. You're doing this dishonest switcharoo on personal and corporate tax rates.

"Nobody is poor on accident" meaning...it's intentional? The vast majority of the people in this country are poor because they had a ****** education in an abandoned neighborhood (made possible by a 91% federally-subsidized highway program to move white people out of cities) with ****** parents who had ****** educations in an abandoned neighborhood, who were raised by ****** parents who had a ******....welll it goes on and on, arguably back to emancipation. It might not be an "accident," but I can't really blame them >51% either. Being stuck in the cycle it's their choice, not from what I've seen. I coached for a year in the poor neighborhood in my city and the most talented and hardest working kid on the football team went off on the wrong direction because he "wanted to be a garbage man, they made mad cash"--because it's all he knew. I have a realllll hard time calling this cyclical ignorance an individual's fault. Not his fault his father was never around, that he was raised by a mother who bounced around from boyfriend to boyfriend, knowing only that union garbagemen do indeed, make some rather "mad cash."

"Nobody is poor on accident" just makes my jaw drop at how seemingly willing one must be to totally ignore the actual causes of poverty and live in a dream world where there chips aren't drastically stacked against someone born in the wrong neighborhood.

It's nothing short of a god damn shame that conservatives are still in a Vietnam Syndrome-esque attitude towards the War On Poverty. The program was a failure, of course, but the answers the GOP puts out today are just downright awful for the most part.

 

[wizards8507]

This sounds just like...Joseph Goebbels!

Godwin's Law.

Fun fact. The term "Nazi" is actually a misnomer. Their true name was The National Socialist German Wokers' Party.

Actually, there are quite a number of studies in the field of architecture that prove hard work and talent mean squat. I can also assure you that success in the music industry and entertainment industry have as much to do with dumb luck as anything. Seriously did the just ditch sociology as a core requirement since I left school?

"Hard work" and "talent" don't necessarily mean "skill at architecture or singing." It can also mean kissing a** well, making friends with the right people, getting recognized, or just plain having a pretty face.

 

[Buster Bluth]

So, if some kid needs to make due with a couple million instead of a couple billion dollars at 18 so some other kid can be provided with the basics that he or she needs as well as access to opportunities and resources to become a responsible citizen, I'm all for it.

And, not to mention, it's good for the nation's economy as a whole anyway. We want a highly educated and competent workforce, not to leave the poor to fend for themselves. It's laughable honestly.

Do you guys not get that if you get a guy out of the ghetto with a proper education system he can buy better/more stuff, increasing the GDP in the process?

 

[wizards8507]

So why wouldn't Walmart and Co just skip that step and build the roads themselves?



I don't begrudge them either...

This was all hashed out pretty thoroughly during the Enlightenment Era (which ideologically birthed this country), when social scientists published works discussing how an incredibly wealthy man isn't at all free when he must protect himself constantly from the poor, a la a king and his palace. Works the same way today with many billionaires in second and third world countries. Perhaps the most perfect example: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/14/article-1320426-0B9BD3DB000005DC-346_634x752.jpg

I do have the common sense to look at countries around the world where there is irrelevant middle classes and huge poor populations, and realize it's an awful, awful situation. There is no "safety net" in Mexico, still an awful place.



Maybe the most ignorant thing I've ever read in my entire life. Like honestly, what world do you ****ing live in?

I'm really trying to be calm on this thread, and have been 99% over the last year, but dude this is just 100% retarded thinking 1) that higher taxes on someone like Steve Jobs decreases his motivation, and 2) that nobody is poor on accident. Like honestly, I wish I could jump through this computer and shake some sense into you.

You could tax the CEO of Ford 99% and it wouldn't hurt his ability to run Ford one bit theoretically. He isn't using his own money to run or expand the company. Most start ups don't either, that'd be venture capitalists' investment cash. The CEO of Ford is being paid to run Ford and Ford's money, and doing a good job theoretically creates jobs--regardless of his personal wage and tax rate. Plenty of the 1% are employees too. You're doing this dishonest switcharoo on personal and corporate tax rates.

"Nobody is poor on accident" meaning...it's intentional? The vast majority of the people in this country are poor because they had a ****** education in an abandoned neighborhood (made possible by a 91% federally-subsidized highway program to move white people out of cities) with ****** parents who had ****** educations in an abandoned neighborhood, who were raised by ****** parents who had a ******....welll it goes on and on, arguably back to emancipation. It might not be an "accident," but I can't really blame them >51% either. Being stuck in the cycle it's their choice, not from what I've seen. I coached for a year in the poor neighborhood in my city and the most talented and hardest working kid on the football team went off on the wrong direction because he "wanted to be a garbage man, they made mad cash"--because it's all he knew. I have a realllll hard time calling this cyclical ignorance an individual's fault. Not his fault his father was never around, that he was raised by a mother who bounced around from boyfriend to boyfriend, knowing only that union garbagemen do indeed, make some rather "mad cash."

"Nobody is poor on accident" just makes my jaw drop at how seemingly willing one must be to totally ignore the actual causes of poverty and live in a dream world where there chips are drastically stacked against someone born in the wrong neighborhood.

It's nothing short of a god damn shame that conservatives are still in a Vietnam Syndrome-esque attitude towards the War On Poverty. The program was a failure, of course, but the answers the GOP puts out today are just downright awful for the most part.

1. I'm ignorant and you call me "retarded"? Right.

2. My father had one of those ****** educations you talked about. He barely finished high school, joined the army, and worked in a factory for the last 20 years (and counting). I happened to go to one of those ****** high schools myself because my "white" family couldn't afford to leave the city. Drug sniffing dogs, weapons in the school, the whole bit. I graduated from the University of Notre Dame and now have a master's degree, a CPA license, zero debt, and a fantastic job with great growth opportunities. DO NOT give me the sht about "the cycle" because it's nothing but lies. My father sacrificed his ENTIRE LIFE to break the cycle for me and my sisters, not because he was brilliant, but because he worked hard and wanted us to have a better life than he did.

3. Taxing the CEO of Ford 99% wouldn't hurt his ability to run the company, no. But it would eliminate his DESIRE to run the company. If the best and the brightest don't WANT to do something because there's no incentive, they'll do something else.

 

[irishpat183]

I know a bunch of people who work with screwball "rich kids" and have worked with kids quite a bit over the years. Trust me when I say that the parents of said screwballs come from all kinds of political backgrounds.

Anyhow, the only things kids "need" are food, shelter and the nurturing and social tools to function as responsible human beings. So, if some kid needs to make due with a couple million instead of a couple billion dollars at 18 so some other kid can be provided with the basics that he or she needs as well as access to opportunities and resources to become a responsible citizen, I'm all for it.

But it's NOT THE GOVERNMENTS JOB TO PROVIDE THAT. NOR IS IT MY JOB TO PROVIDE FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S KIDS!

 

[wizards8507]

And, not to mention, it's good for the nation's economy as a whole anyway. We want a highly educated and competent workforce, not to leave the poor to fend for themselves. It's laughable honestly.

EVERYONE should "fend for themselves." That's exactly how you become NOT POOR. If you don't HAVE to fend for yourself, you have no reason not to STAY POOR.

 

[Wild Bill]

And, not to mention, it's good for the nation's economy as a whole anyway. We want a highly educated and competent workforce, not to leave the poor to fend for themselves. It's laughable honestly.

Do you guys not get that if you get a guy out of the ghetto with a proper education system he can buy better/more stuff, increasing the GDP in the process?

Aren't you assuming the feds could generate a higher tax base with the money than the bratty kid could?

 

[irishpat183]

And, not to mention, it's good for the nation's economy as a whole anyway. We want a highly educated and competent workforce, not to leave the poor to fend for themselves. It's laughable honestly.

Do you guys not get that if you get a guy out of the ghetto with a proper education system he can buy better/more stuff, increasing the GDP in the process?

Tell me again how many bums on the side of the road have taken the money given them and stopped begging and gone on to do great things?


It's laugable that you think someone, who's worked hard their whole life, should not be able to keep THEIR money and do as they deem fit with it.

Talk about insane.

 

[wizards8507]

Tell me again how many bums on the side of the road have taken the money given them and stopped begging and gone on to do great things?


It's laugable that you think someone, who's worked hard their whole life, should not be able to keep THEIR money and do as they deem fit with it.

Talk about insane.

I believe that happened a grand total of one time and it was such a novelty that they made a Will Smith movie about it.

 

[irishpat183]

Aren't you assuming the feds could generate a higher tax base with the money than the bratty kid could?

And he assumes that the FED is actually going to do what's right with said money...


Again, LAUGHABLE

 

[IrishLax]

I don't know how anyone in their right mind can argue for high estate tax, much less a 100% tax on inheritance like I've seen some places.

Without the ability to pass on earned wealth to one's children/family we never would've had Batman or Breaking Bad.

 

[irishpat183]

I believe that happened a grand total of one time and it was such a novelty that they made a Will Smith movie about it.

Not really...He worked hard. Nobody gave that guy anything. But I get your point

 

[Buster Bluth]

The term "Nazi" is actually a misnomer. Their true name was The National Socialist German Wokers' Party.

They were mostly fascists you tool, but that doesn't mean that some of their social policies weren't indisputably homeruns.

The Nazis were the first country to push the idea of whole families from all classes of wealth taking a vacation and relax for a week or so out of the year. They were the first to set up massive beach-side resorts for visitors to come to in droves.

The Nazis basically created the premier animal protection and conservation movement, that the western world then copied.

The Nazis were the first industrialized country to begin large movements to decrease smoking among the population.

The Nazis created Europe's Model-T, the Volkswagon which made cars affordable to the middle class. Along with the autobahn, giving the individual access to the whole country.

They weren't 100% bad. Deciding to kill all Jews and eventually all Eastern Europeans...not a great idea haha

 

[wizards8507]

I don't know how anyone in their right mind can argue for high estate tax, much less a 100% tax on inheritance like I've seen some places.

Without the ability to pass on earned wealth to one's children/family we never would've had Batman or Breaking Bad.

Or Iron Man.

Not really...He worked hard. Nobody gave that guy anything. But I get your point

I was mostly joking.

They were mostly fascists you tool, but that doesn't mean that some of their social policies weren't indisputably homeruns.

The Nazis were the first country to push the idea of whole families from all classes of wealth taking a vacation and relax for a week or so out of the year. They were the first to set up massive beach-side resorts for visitors to come to in droves.

The Nazis basically created the premier animal protection and conservation movement, that the western world then copied.

The Nazis were the first industrialized country to begin large movements to decrease smoking among the population.

The Nazis created Europe's Model-T, the Volkswagon which made cars affordable to the middle class. Along with the autobahn, giving the individual access to the whole country.

They weren't 100% bad. Deciding to kill all Jews and eventually all Eastern Europeans...not a great idea haha

Wow. You win the Internet.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I don't know how anyone in their right mind can argue for high estate tax, much less a 100% tax on inheritance like I've seen some places.

Without the ability to pass on earned wealth to one's children/family we never would've had Batman or Breaking Bad.

I'm almost 100% opposed to estate taxes.

Tell me again how many bums on the side of the road have taken the money given them and stopped begging and gone on to do great things?

It's laugable that you think someone, who's worked hard their whole life, should not be able to keep THEIR money and do as they deem fit with it.

Talk about insane.

Has it occurred to you that a forty-year old bum could be wayyyyyyyyyy passed the point of reconciliation and rehabilitation?

It's laughable to think that despite all of the public services you enjoy, along with the perks of being born in the right family (and worked hard and sacrificed and all that, that is immensely important), that you deserve to pretend that you don't live in a society and can give the finger to the poor WHO WILL **** YOU ANYWAY SHOULD ENOUGH OF THEM BE IGNORED. We have to fix problems, not ignore them. This all goes back to the War on Poverty and conservatives treating it like Vietnam Syndrome.

And he assumes that the FED is actually going to do what's right with said money...

Again, LAUGHABLE

I don't trust the federal government to do a god damn thing correctly. But it doesn't help when one party keeps telling people that lower taxes are always the only answer, that it's only one's personal drive that causes success, and insinuate that if we ignore poverty it'll go away.

 

[irishpat183]

They were mostly fascists you tool, but that doesn't mean that some of their social policies weren't indisputably homeruns.

The Nazis were the first country to push the idea of whole families from all classes of wealth taking a vacation and relax for a week or so out of the year. They were the first to set up massive beach-side resorts for visitors to come to in droves.

The Nazis basically created the premier animal protection and conservation movement, that the western world then copied.

The Nazis were the first industrialized country to begin large movements to decrease smoking among the population.

The Nazis created Europe's Model-T, the Volkswagon which made cars affordable to the middle class. Along with the autobahn, giving the individual access to the whole country.

They weren't 100% bad. Deciding to kill all Jews and eventually all Eastern Europeans...not a great idea haha

Could've done without that to get your point across....



And the Nazis were 100% bad. They did all that in the name of control, not to "help the people" but to give the idea that they were.....Kinda like our current government.


“A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.”
― Gerald R. Ford

 

[phgreek]

“A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.”
― Gerald R. Ford

not bad for a Michigan man...

 

[Buster Bluth]

And the Nazis were 100% bad.

You didn't read a damn word I wrote did you?

One could look at Southern Cal's football program and find things they do well. They aren't 100% incorrect.

One could look at the Confederate States of America and find some points of theirs that were on the money. They weren't 100% incorrect.

One could look at the ****ing Nazis--the worst people ever, save for Stalin and Co-- and find a few policies that were actually good ideas. They weren't 100% incorrect.

How is that so hard to understand?

 

[irishpat183]

I'm almost 100% opposed to estate taxes.



Has it occurred to you that a forty-year old bum could be wayyyyyyyyyy passed the point of reconciliation and rehabilitation?


It's laughable to think that despite all of the public services you enjoy, along with the perks of being born in the right family (and worked hard and sacrificed and all that, that is immensely important), that you deserve to pretend that you don't live in a society and can give the finger to the poor WHO WILL **** YOU ANYWAY SHOULD ENOUGH OF THEM BE IGNORED. We have to fix problems, not ignore them. This all goes back to the War on Poverty and conservatives treating it like Vietnam Syndrome.


I don't trust the federal government to do a god damn thing correctly. But it doesn't help when one party keeps telling people that lower taxes are always the only answer, that it's only one's personal drive that causes success, and insinuate that if we ignore poverty it'll go away.

So we just give up on said bum!?!? Very uncompassionate of you.....

Because the "War" on anything works well for the government (war on drugs is a homerun)


Sorry, but you will never fix poor. I don't care how much of my hard earned money you want to throw at it. What we can do, is make it more difficult to be poor. Forcing thsoe that want the free ride, to get up and be productive. Those that truly need help, will get it.

It is no coincidence that as our government spends more....more and more people are added to the welfare pool.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not really...He worked hard. Nobody gave that guy anything. But I get your point

It's 100% irrelevant if he works real hard and becomes a millionaire and whatnot and has all of the success in the world, if enough of his compatriots fall by the wayside.

How is this so hard to get? I'm honestly perplexed.

 

[irishpat183]

You didn't read a damn word I wrote did you?

One could look at Southern Cal's football program and find things they do well. They aren't 100% incorrect.

One could look at the Confederate States of America and find some points of theirs that were on the money. They weren't 100% incorrect.

One could look at the ****ing Nazis--the worst people ever, save for Stalin and Co-- and find a few policies that were actually good ideas. They weren't 100% incorrect.

How is that so hard to understand?

You said "they weren't 100% bad" you didn't say "their policies weren't 100% bad".

I read every "damn word you wrote"