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    Votes: 4 1.1%
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    Votes: 172 48.9%
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    Votes: 46 13.1%
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Week Two of the Obamacare Federal Health Insurance Exchange Rollout––No Improvement

There was no progress for the new federal health insurance exchange's information technology and enrollment challenges in its second week.

At the end of week two of the Obamacare launch, health plans were generally seeing no more enrollments per day then they saw in the first week.

As troubling, the backroom issues plaguing the connection between health insurers and the federal government had not been resolved and there is no indication from the feds when they will have these things cleared up.

My sense is that the feds, based upon the number of enrollments they have sent to the insurance companies, enrolled about 10,000 people in the first week (about 5,000 single and family contracts) and another 10,000 people in the second week in the 36 states using the federal exchange.
The Washington Post earlier this week cited estimates that the number was about 36,000 the first week using a web analysis firm's review of traffic. My estimates are based upon hard numbers from high market share plans then projected over the entire 36-state federal market.

There also may be some paper applications waiting for the systems to work so that they may be entered and enrolled with the insurers.

But then, the feds could easily clear this up by just telling us how many people have enrolled.

Most states running their own exchanges aren't doing a whole lot better.

New York says they have "enrolled" 100,000 people. But when pressed on that in a CNBC interview Tuesday, that state's director clarified that to mean 100,000 people have set up accounts and applied to know what their subsidies are. She refused to say how many people have gone the rest of the way to actually buy a plan. Reports from consumers trying to use the exchange in New York continue to indicate difficulty being able to navigate the site.

Yesterday, the New York Times reported that only the Kentucky, Colorado, Nevada, and Washington state exchanges enable consumers to search for the providers covered in the various plans. This is a critical piece of information for consumers because so many of the particularly lower cost plans were able to develop lower rates by excluding wide swaths of doctors and hospitals. A consumer would be foolish to buy a health plan without knowing which doctors and hospitals it covers!

Washington state appears to be off to a very clean start. They are saying they have finalized enrollment for about 25,000 lives––most in Medicaid. They also say another 37,000 have completed insurance exchange applications that are awaiting premium payments due in December. Washington has about 1 million uninsured and another 200,000 in the individual market. So, they appear to be on their way to enrolling about 5% of their potential market in both Medicaid and the exchange. That likely says something about where exchanges would be if they had not had the problems.

I will suggest that comparing Washington state's health exchange experience to that of the federal exchange in the coming months, and the many states running their own exchange who also had problems, will be helpful in understanding just how damaging this start was.

The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration's regulations on grandfathering existing plans were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 million, are not grandfathered and must comply with Obamacare at their next renewal. The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from $1,000 to $1,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.

These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law's benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.

But unless they live in Washington state, Nevada, Colorado, and Kentucky, they can't now get on an exchange site to see their plan options, new prices, and provider directories so they can make an informed decision before they lose their coverage.

This is a fine mess.

Health Care Policy and Marketplace Review: Week Two of the Obamacare Federal Health Insurance Exchange Rollout––No Improvement
 

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Did you just try to compare slavery, internment, Indian removal and espionage to attempting to give people health care?

Wow.



Did some moronic democratic senator just compare the Tea Party to the KKK the other day?



Where is your outrage?
 

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Honestly the combination of ignorance, misunderstanding, and absence of logic that you two have displayed (with some help) has reached new levels. When combined with how much of an a**hole you sound like and how pleased you are with yourselves, it starts to become really funny. Just no self awareness whatsoever.

Hey Pot, meet kettle....
 

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Have we made this much progress in the discussion? Given the fervor with which the GOP (especially the tea party) has described and attacked the ACA, I'm not so sure. :)

LOL....I'll give you that.


But given the fake "sob stories" of people dying in the streets and everyone that doesn't vote for the ACA is either a racist or hates poor people....it goes both ways.
 

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Saying that the ACA is the law of the land isn't an argument, it's a fact. So who made a moronic comment? What did you blow up?

I said what I said just to rub it in a bit. I'm like that some days.

Bob- Please answer me this:

If it's the "law of the land" why are some exempt and why has Obama picked an choosen which parts that get to be implimented???
 

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I don't have much of a dog in this ACA fight but I have to interject on the "law of the land" discussion with a contemporary, benign example. You what else is the "law of the land?" Work for welfare. Obama chooses unilaterally to not enforce it and allow waivers as he thought it was the right thing to do.

Regardless of what your opinion is -- pro-ACA, anti-ACA, somewhere in the middle -- to argue that people should just accept it because "it's the law" makes absolutely no sense. If people lived by that mantra, we never would've had the civil rights movement. In fact, there would never be any forward policy change whatsoever if you just accepted all laws as they are and didn't work to get rid of or improve "bad" ones.
 

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I don't have much of a dog in this ACA fight but I have to interject on the "law of the land" discussion with a contemporary, benign example. You what else is the "law of the land?" Work for welfare. Obama chooses unilaterally to not enforce it and allow waivers as he thought it was the right thing to do.

Regardless of what your opinion is -- pro-ACA, anti-ACA, somewhere in the middle -- to argue that people should just accept it because "it's the law" makes absolutely no sense. If people lived by that mantra, we never would've had the civil rights movement. In fact, there would never be any forward policy change whatsoever if you just accepted all laws as they are and didn't work to get rid of or improve "bad" ones.

OMFG ARE YOU REALLY COMPARING THE ACA TO CIVIL RIGHTS?

Racist.
 

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Honestly the combination of ignorance, misunderstanding, and absence of logic that you two have displayed (with some help) has reached new levels. When combined with how much of an a**hole you sound like and how pleased you are with yourselves, it starts to become really funny. Just no self awareness whatsoever.

Honestly why don't you point to specific comments or arguments someone has made so we can debate them? Show us where we are ignorant, show us how we just misunderstand the brilliance that is the ACA, show us how us small minded, knuckle dragging conservatives can't comprehend all this newest cornerstone of the nanny state.

BobD has really $hitty jokes and jabs from the 1970s to avoid topics/ questions he doesn't like and you bring nothing more to the table than general blanket statements like this. If you wanna have a discussion, let's talk. But calling people ignorant and telling them they have no logic with nothing to pinpoint or back it up? Get over yourself.
 

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Honestly why don't you point to specific comments or arguments someone has made so we can debate them? Show us where we are ignorant, show us how we just misunderstand the brilliance that is the ACA, show us how us small minded, knuckle dragging conservatives can't comprehend all this newest cornerstone of the nanny state.

BobD has really $hitty jokes and jabs from the 1970s to avoid topics/ questions he doesn't like and you bring nothing more to the table than general blanket statements like this. If you wanna have a discussion, let's talk. But calling people ignorant and telling them they have no logic with nothing to pinpoint or back it up? Get over yourself.

There are some really thoughtful conservatives on here whose opinions I respect, having read them over a long period of time. But the discussion is dominated by a few of you who seem to feed off of each other. You've brought the dialogue down to a very low level.

I try to stay away but it's difficult to do - but I really don't want to engage at this level, it's painful.
 

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There are some really thoughtful conservatives on here whose opinions I respect, having read them over a long period of time. But the discussion is dominated by a few of you who seem to feed off of each other. You've brought the dialogue down to a very low level.

I try to stay away but it's difficult to do - but I really don't want to engage at this level, it's painful.

Ohhhh you poor guy. So first potwonhero and I have no logic and just can't possibly understand ACA. Now we've brought the dialogue down sooo low that you can't even speak with us and show us how dumb we are? God it's tough being you.

If you're not going to engage then don't freakin engage lol. But you're making yourself look like an idiot by calling some of us what you did with NOTHING to back it up or explain why and how.

Engage in the debate or ignore posters/ conversations that are just "too painful" and intellectually below your standards.
 

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There are some really thoughtful conservatives on here whose opinions I respect, having read them over a long period of time. But the discussion is dominated by a few of you who seem to feed off of each other. You've brought the dialogue down to a very low level.

I try to stay away but it's difficult to do - but I really don't want to engage at this level, it's painful.

Yeah...its just those on the right who have brought the disloyal down...
:what::screwy::banghead:
 

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There are some really thoughtful conservatives on here whose opinions I respect, having read them over a long period of time. But the discussion is dominated by a few of you who seem to feed off of each other. You've brought the dialogue down to a very low level.

I try to stay away but it's difficult to do - but I really don't want to engage at this level, it's painful.

Let me engage you at this level:

I oughtta **** on your head.

You damn fool.

Show me how taxes have gotten cheaper, the economy better, and the American dream easier to pursue in Obama's admin.

Bottom line is republicans and dems are in bed together to seperate and and divide.

You senseless people open your eyes.
 

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Let me engage you at this level:

I oughtta **** on your head.

You damn fool.

Show me how taxes have gotten cheaper, the economy better, and the American dream easier to pursue in Obama's admin.

Bottom line is republicans and dems are in bed together to seperate and and divide.

You senseless people open your eyes.

If you don't think the economy is better than when Obama took office then you have a very short memory. We were in an absolute free fall.
 

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I can only speak for myself. I pay more for healthcare, have less coverage. My employer pays half of it still but had to adjust the deductibles and coverages because it cost too much. I went to the orthodontist yesterday and got another set of braces for kid #4. They are almost double what they were 6 years ago. I make more than I made two years ago but not more than I made 8 years ago. We have taken pay cuts to keep our jobs and keep from having to get rid of folks.

So in my example, no I am not better off under this adminstration.

As I always say when it comes to political affiliation.


"I am too conservative to be a Democrat. I am too broke to be a Republican."
 

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If you don't think the economy is better than when Obama took office then you have a very short memory. We were in an absolute free fall.

I'm talking money in your pocket not this perceived notion of "Americas cost."

Have your taxes gone down?
Do you have more income?
Has cost of living "inflation" stayed up with raises and taxes?

I guarantee you sir, as a middle class man: the answer is no more a yes than the "Dow" the Wizard of Oz.

Want a brain or a heart?
 

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Let me engage you at this level:

I oughtta **** on your head.

You damn fool.

Show me how taxes have gotten cheaper, the economy better, and the American dream easier to pursue in Obama's admin.

Bottom line is republicans and dems are in bed together to seperate and and divide.

You senseless people open your eyes.

Case in point. It's incoherent. All over the place, fired up at something but not clear what it is. I don't even know what you want to do on my head, but whatever it is I don't want it.
 

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Case in point. It's incoherent. All over the place, fired up at something but not clear what it is. I don't even know what you want to do on my head, but whatever it is I don't want it.

Ok Mr. Logic. (Lmfao.)

Do you have more money in your pocket, that is buying power, than you did 8 yrs ago?

I am not a republican. In fact I despise them.

But Obama has been and will always be a puppet.

Same with Bush.

Oz.

For the record, I want to pee on your head.
 

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Ok Mr. Logic. (Lmfao.)

Do you have more money in your pocket, that is buying power, than you did 8 yrs ago?

I am not a republican. In fact I despise them.

But Obama has been and will always be a puppet.

Same with Bush.

Oz.

For the record, I want to pee on your head.

I was in graduate school, getting my phd at Harvard, 8 years ago. So yes, I have more income now. I don't think it's possible to come up with a more simplistic and meaningless way to evaluate a presidential administration. If you throw out weird insults along with it, it doesn't become more compelling.
 

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If you don't think the economy is better than when Obama took office then you have a very short memory. We were in an absolute free fall.

This is totally a false paradigm. The only thing Obama has done is print more money, buy our own debt, and his one mega piece of legislation is crushing the economy.
 

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I was in graduate school, getting my phd at Harvard, 8 years ago. So yes, I have more income now. I don't think it's possible to come up with a more simplistic and meaningless way to evaluate a presidential administration. If you throw out weird insults along with it, it doesn't become more compelling.

Lol.

You throwing out personal educational milestones doesn't further increase your argument neither.

I'm certain your degree isn't in economics. Actually I'm perplexed.

It probably is.

I don't think it's possible to come up with a more simplistic and meaningless way to evaluate a presidential administration.

Every statistic elsewhere is meaningless propaganda. I believe all are skewed. Purposefully.

What other way, to evaluate, is more true? Are you better off? Are the people choosing to do less and less with their lives better off? When will the push for socialism stop?

A well-paid PhD should certainly expect to retain wealth.
 
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Any word on how one is supposed to prove that he has health insurance to avoid the penalty/tax? Do you have to list insurance company and give an id#? How is the IRS even going to check it? I'm just spitballing, but does the IRS have the legal authority to contact your insurance company and demand to know if you have a policy and what type it is? Hell, you could probably just make up a policy id# and have a better-than-average shot of getting away with it (yes I know that's tax fraud, and I am not advocating it, just talking here).

The initial penalty for not having coverage is $90. I wonder if some people will just pay the penalty rather than jumping through all the hoops that could conceivably be involved in definitively proving that you have valid coverage. For instance, back when I was a tipped employee, I used to opt to pay a penalty on my state taxes just because it was easier then doing the quarterly estimated payments. $90 may be a small price to pay for some people to avoid making their tax preparation even more onerous.
 

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If you don't think the economy is better than when Obama took office then you have a very short memory. We were in an absolute free fall.

The worst was behind us when Obama took office. Then he passed the "stimulus" and unemployment went up. It hasn't been below 7% since he took office. It's a jobless recovery.
 

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Good morning!

Well I thought I'd start off this beautiful day by clearing some things up.

I've been egging a few of you on in this thread, so I want to let you know why and to not so much apologize, but to hopefully clear things up and maybe start over in a way.

I like to hear other people's opinions and I like to post mine, but I could care less about your opinion of my opinion. Make sense?

Have a point to make on any political issue? By all means post away.

Derogatory comments about issues is fair game.

Comments, insults or insinuations about the way others feel will not change minds.
 
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OK ....so, we are at $1B and counting on the Obamacare "website".

It was annoying when I thought these IDIOTS failed w/ $94M.

Every person assigned in any way to this cluster from HHS needs fired, and every contractor working on it needs debarred from ever doing work for the government again. This isn't failure this is FRAUD WASTE and ABUSE....this is criminal.
 
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