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    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
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    Votes: 46 13.1%
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On the positive side, the balance of SS and Medicare payments turning to the red is actually stimulative to the economy, all else equal.

Interesting view point. Why do you say that?

I would tend to think it has no impact, if not forshadowing a negative impact. As boomers retire, their total non medical spending should be declining. The SS beni's would just replace income that used to be earned.
 

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I could.

Social Security would be absolutely fine if the politicians put it into an actual lockbox. That is the amendment that is stopping it from perpetual success.

In general with Social Security, I don't really get the broad "entitlement" criticisms for a program that has lifted tens of millions of elderly out of poverty and improved the lives of every citizen in the process (e.g. sons and daughters aren't using their wealth to pay for their parents' living expenses).

I'm all in favor of Social Security as a safety net for old people with little to no income. I'd support it as true welfare program for those in need. The problem is that just about anyone qualifies for a check just by turning 65. Do we really need to cut checks to people who are living comfortably on their retirement assets?

And as for the lockbox, how would we make up for the shortfall in tax revenue if that SS money isn't part of the unified budget? And what form would the lockbox take? A bank account?
 

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Military speaking, I would bet a paycheck we could hand North Korea their *** in two days with the US Air Force. I'm no Wesley Clark, but I'd be surprised if we would even need boots on the ground.

Politically speaking, I'd be just as surprised if our Nobel Peace Prize winning president authorized what it would take to quiet those little communist nutjobs and set em straight. In the meantime, we can start building the prosecution case against Dennis Rodman for treason.

This was my thinking. I am "peace unless it is a last resort" type of guy. However if we had to deal with NK I can the US bombing away and then letting the South Korean's do the diry work on the ground.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ged-with-voting-half-dozen-times-in-november/

She admitted voting twice in the presidential election last November, and now, Obama supporter Melowese Richardson has been indicted for allegedly voting at least six times. She also is charged with illegal voting in 2008 and 2011.

The 58-year-old veteran Cincinnati poll worker, indicted Monday, faces eight counts of voter fraud. Two others, one of whom is a nun, have been charged separately.

Richardson had admitted on camera to a local TV station, "Yes, I voted twice," claiming she was concerned that her vote would not count. She also said there "was no intent on my part to commit any voter fraud."

"I'll fight it for Mr. Obama and Mr. Obama's right to sit as president of the United States," she proclaimed in the interview.

Officials charged that she voted in her own name by absentee ballot and also in person at the polls, but Hamilton County Prosecuting Attorney Joseph Deters said she also is charged with voting in the name of five other people in various elections.

"This is not North Korea," Deters said in a statement announcing the indictments. "Elections are a serious business and the foundation of our democracy. In the scheme of things, individual votes may not seem important, but this could not be further from the truth. Every vote is important and every voter and candidate needs to have faith in our system. The charges today should let people know that we take this seriously."

Richardson made national headlines when the Hamilton County Board of Elections announced that it was investigating whether she voted up to half a dozen times, including on behalf of her granddaughter, India Richardson.

India told Fox News that her grandmother did indeed vote in her name, telling us that "it wasn't a big deal."

But voting twice or in another person's name is illegal.

Prosecutors say the five other people for whom Richardson cast ballots are all relatives.

Sister Marguerite Kloos also faces one count of illegal voting, for allegedly submitting an absentee ballot in the name of a fellow nun, Sister Rose Marie Hewitt, who had died before absentee ballots were sent out. She is accused of opening Sister Hewitt’s ballot, forging her signature and mailing it to the Board of Elections as a vote.

The 54-year-old Kloos has resigned as the dean of the Division of Arts and Humanities at the College of Mount St. Joseph in Cincinnati, where she still serves as an associate professor of religious and pastoral studies.

Kloos was not indicted but faces what is known as an information, because her lawyer contacted prosecutors and she agreed to cooperate and plead guilty.

"As a valued member of the Mount community, our thoughts are with her during this difficult time," the college said in a written statement. "We respect her privacy and will not comment further on this matter at this time."

Russell Glassop, 75, also is charged with illegal voting. He is accused of voting on behalf of his wife, who died before election day.

But it was Richardson's case, and the possibility of repeated votes, that shocked many. She faces up to 12 years in prison if convicted. Efforts to contact her and her lawyer have been unsuccessful.

The Hamilton County Board of Elections recently held hearings on cases of possible double voting and voter fraud, part of a statewide review ordered by Secretary of State John Husted. He called on all 88 counties to review complaints of fraud, as well as voter disenfranchisement.

“Every voter must play by the rules, and if they don’t they will be held accountable,” Husted, a Republican, said in a written statement. “For voters to have confidence in our elections, we must prosecute every case of voter fraud in Ohio.”

Last month, Husted told Fox News that Richardson's case was especially troubling, because "it appears she not only attempted to vote more than once, but was actually successful at it and having those additional votes counted."

"Most attempts are caught by the system. But there are cases that do slip through, as this one does, and we need to make sure that we really send a strong message, that if you do this, you are going to be held accountable,” Husted said. “It might mean fines, it might mean jail time."

Hamilton County prosecutors are investigating three additional cases of possible voter fraud.
 

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The feds are spending $15 million to study the obesity of lesbians.

Take that Sequester!

Feds Spend $1.5 Million to Study Why Lesbians Are Fat | CNS News

Heres my 5 min answer, ill take the cash in canadian dollars please. The gay guys want people in shape so they themselves stay in shape, to be physically appealing. The lesbians however are more into emotional connections and (since theres no dude in the relationship) the physical aspect matters less?
 

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Heres my 5 min answer, ill take the cash in canadian dollars please. The gay guys want people in shape so they themselves stay in shape, to be physically appealing. The lesbians however are more into emotional connections and (since theres no dude in the relationship) the physical aspect matters less?

Men will leave you at the drop of a hat for better pastures. Its like this old joke:

I phoned up a really gorgeous ex-girlfriend of mine the other day. We
lost track of time, chatting about the wild nights we used to enjoy
together.

I couldn't BELIEVE it when she asked if I'd like to meet up and maybe
rekindle a little of that magic.

"Wow!" I said "I don't know if I could keep pace with you now! I'm a
bit older and a bit balder than when you last saw me!"

She giggled and said she was sure I'd meet the challenge! "Yeah," I
said, "Just so long as you don't mind a man with a waistband that's a
few inches wider these days!"

She laughed and told me to stop being so silly! She teased me, saying
she thought tubby bald men were cute!

"Anyway", she said, "I've put on a couple of pounds myself!"
So I hung up.
 

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I'm posting this about the details of Paul Ryan's budget. I'll post the Senate Democrat budget tommorrow.

What's in Paul Ryan's budget - Mar. 12, 2013

I'm not going to go on a big anti-Ryan at this time. One thing that is interesting is his budget calls for a repeal of Obamacare. Yet he keeps the Medicare savings in Obamacare, and he keeps the Obamacare taxes that many have complained about.

Obviously its dead on arrival just like Senate budget is going to be dead on arrival as well. I am interested into what people think looking for honest pros and cons.
 

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Heres my 5 min answer, ill take the cash in canadian dollars please. The gay guys want people in shape so they themselves stay in shape, to be physically appealing. The lesbians however are more into emotional connections and (since theres no dude in the relationship) the physical aspect matters less?

I'm sorry, the answer is MOOPS.
 

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I'm posting this about the details of Paul Ryan's budget. I'll post the Senate Democrat budget tommorrow.

What's in Paul Ryan's budget - Mar. 12, 2013

I'm not going to go on a big anti-Ryan at this time. One thing that is interesting is his budget calls for a repeal of Obamacare. Yet he keeps the Medicare savings in Obamacare, and he keeps the Obamacare taxes that many have complained about.

Obviously its dead on arrival just like Senate budget is going to be dead on arrival as well. I am interested into what people think looking for honest pros and cons.

Its a political stunt by the GOP just like the Senate budget is a stunt there. The house will pass the budget, but the Senate won't pass it. I am interested to see if the Senate votes on the Senate budget. I don't think they will with the seats coming up for election.
 

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Its a political stunt by the GOP just like the Senate budget is a stunt there. The house will pass the budget, but the Senate won't pass it. I am interested to see if the Senate votes on the Senate budget. I don't think they will with the seats coming up for election.

You could be right. I'm not sure either proposal will get voted on to be honest.

I'll start with the House. They Ryan budget had republicans who thought it was too extreme (which is saying something) vote no in the 112th Congress. 12 Republicans voted in no in 2102 and 0 Democrats voted for it. The republicans have 9 less seats this time. Also 30 total reps that voted for the Ryan budget are gone because of redistricting, losing an election, or just leaving on their own will.

Now the Senate

2014 geography is not friendly to Senate Democrats. They have to defend 21 seats, 7 in red states were I don't know how they win but they do, and they have a couple of long time incumbants in light blue states (Iowa, MI) that are retiring. I think they hold the Senate because many of the Democrat incumbants in these red states are moderates that are pretty popular but they will lose seats. I can see the Senate not voting but I can also actually see Harry Reid having a vote and letting people vote no to show their states they are moderates. Of course that depends on the number Reid won't bring it to the floor without 50 votes. All you need is 50 and Biden can break a tie no filibusters with budget resolutions.

As far as the Senate goes the GOP does not have any seats in real danger this time around. The one hope for the Democrats is Ashley Judd beating Mitch Mcconnell but with incumbancy advantage and a more experience polictical network at his disposal Mcconnnel despite not being popular in Kentucky should win. Ashley Judd is too liberal too win Kentucy.

2016 is the exact opposite. All those seats the GOP won in their big 2010 midterm are going up for election in including seven in blue states.

More on who to watch break party lines: Whip Count: House and Senate budgets - The Hill
 
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An Ohio poll-worker was indicted for voting for Obama 6 times.

Melowese Richardson, Cincinnati Poll Worker, Indicted on Voter Fraud Charges - JD Journal | JD Journal

Which is bizzare, because everyone knows that "voter fraud never happens" and "has never been proven"...

One Ohio poll worker committing voter fraud=voter fraud is rapant every where

George Bush had this huge commission on voter fraud and five years found very litte. Mostly thing like convicted felons voting when they are barred from voting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I am all for preventing voter fraud. I am just not a fan of the type of prevention methods that seem to only be concerned with minority communities and college campuses.
 
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One Ohio poll worker committing voter fraud=voter fraud is rapant every where

George Bush had this huge commission on voter fraud and five years found very litte. Mostly thing like convicted felons voting when they are barred from voting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I am all for preventing voter fraud. I am just not a fan of the type of prevention methods that seem to only be concerned with minority communities and college campuses.

Because having an ID is preventing someone from voting. Gimmie a break. Talk about a bullshit argument.

You wanna talk "preventing"?? How about Black Panther members standing outside a voting booth shaking clubs at people?

THAT is prevention. Simply asking people to show that they are residents of this country isn't prevention...it's common sense.
 

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Because having an ID is preventing someone from voting. Gimmie a break. Talk about a bullshit argument.

You wanna talk "preventing"?? How about Black Panther members standing outside a voting booth shaking clubs at people?

THAT is prevention. Simply asking people to show that they are residents of this country isn't prevention...it's common sense.

Guilty until proven innocent Mr Constitution, do you have video?

The man has a right to bear arms....

EDIT: of the man preventing, not intimidating
 
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Because having an ID is preventing someone from voting. Gimmie a break. Talk about a bullshit argument.

You wanna talk "preventing"?? How about Black Panther members standing outside a voting booth shaking clubs at people?

THAT is prevention. Simply asking people to show that they are residents of this country isn't prevention...it's common sense.

I do not take issue that Black Panther intimidation that is wrong.

I got no problem with people having an ID. There needs to be something in place for college students living on campus. In certain states student had issues getting state IDs.

The big racial aspect for me was the number of voting machines. Long lines in downtown Cleveland but in not in Southern Ohio. 8 hour waits in Miami but not in the panhandle. Part of may have been a larger than expected turnout but let's be real their was some illegitimate stuff going on in certain districts in swing states.

I agree with your points but if you don't recognize that there is just as much fraud from the people running the show then you need to open your eyes. We need to fix all the things you and I mentioned voting shouldn't be a partisan issue.
 
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I take issue with the Black Panther intimidation that is wrong.

I got no problem with people having an ID. There needs to be something in place for college students living on campus. In certain states student had issues getting state IDs.

The big racial aspect for me was the number of voting machines. Long lines in downtown Cleveland but in not in Southern Ohio. 8 hour waits in Miami but not in the panhandle. Part of may have been a larger than expected turnout but let's be real their was some illegitimate stuff going on in certain districts in swing states.

I agree with your points but if you don't recognize that there is just as much fraud from the people running the show then you need to open your eyes. We need to fix all the things you and I mentioned voting shouldn't be a partisan issue.

The issue about IDs was one of timing. Why are replicant not trying to ge ID laws passed now when there isn`t an election just weeks away? These attempts were made just before the election to keep city minorities from voting.
 

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Because having an ID is preventing someone from voting. Gimmie a break. Talk about a bullshit argument.

You wanna talk "preventing"?? How about Black Panther members standing outside a voting booth shaking clubs at people?

THAT is prevention. Simply asking people to show that they are residents of this country isn't prevention...it's common sense.

Oh brother...Black Pathers intimidating people? That's the best you can come up with? Those crazy blacks going into white neighborhoods intimidating grandma and grandpa from voting Republican. Talk about bullshit.
 

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Oh brother...Black Pathers intimidating people? That's the best you can come up with? Those crazy blacks going into white neighborhoods intimidating grandma and grandpa from voting Republican. Talk about bullshit.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It was a voting place in the city of Philadelphia, not the "white neighborhoods" full of grandparents. That might be the most racist thing I've seen on this thread.

It is illegal and should have been prosecuted, but AG Holder chose not to. Can't imagine why. We all have equal protection under the law, right?

There are dozens of videos on youtube recording what the racist panthers said and did, too. Take a peak. And yes, those are real billy clubs.
 

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Because having an ID is preventing someone from voting. Gimmie a break. Talk about a bullshit argument.

You wanna talk "preventing"?? How about Black Panther members standing outside a voting booth shaking clubs at people?

THAT is prevention. Simply asking people to show that they are residents of this country isn't prevention...it's common sense.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It was a voting place in the city of Philadelphia, not the "white neighborhoods" full of grandparents. That might be the most racist thing I've seen on this thread.

It is illegal and should have been prosecuted, but AG Holder chose not to. Can't imagine why. We all have equal protection under the law, right?

There are dozens of videos on youtube recording what the racist panthers said and did, too. Take a peak. And yes, those are real billy clubs.

I just wanna get this straight, you guys are arguing that throughout the illustrious history of voter intimidation, disenfranchisement, and fraud in this country, that blacks have been the real culprits and those three guys that called themselves the new black panther party are the big problem and the ones who should be prosecuted? Those three morons effect elections? They did the equivalent of what the Supreme Court did in 2000? They delivered the election for their man?
 
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In my opinion, requiring any kind of ID is a hinderence (SP) (and thus shouldn't be required, as nothing is free in the world, there is no free lunch.
 

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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It was a voting place in the city of Philadelphia, not the "white neighborhoods" full of grandparents. That might be the most racist thing I've seen on this thread.

It is illegal and should have been prosecuted, but AG Holder chose not to. Can't imagine why. We all have equal protection under the law, right?

There are dozens of videos on youtube recording what the racist panthers said and did, too. Take a peak. And yes, those are real billy clubs.

It never ceases to amaze me when white, middle to upper class males are so quick on the draw with accusations of racism. Walking past a couple of threatening looking African American males must have been very traumatic. I watched the video. It's some college geek looking for a story that isn't there.

Anyhow, I sure as hell do know what I'm talking about when it comes to racism. I've seen and experienced some pretty ugly racism first hand. Ever seen a white cop beat someone you knew with a mag flashlight because of the color of their skin? I have. Know anyone that was gunned down because they were Mexican? That my friend is racism. So spare me your pronouncements.

As Redbar stated equating some clowns from the "new black panther party" at one polling station with a couple hundered years of institutional racist policies is the height of ignorance and just more of the same horse crap that went on with the debate about ACORN and simply serves to distract from the real issue, that voter fraud is nowhere near the problem Fox News would like you to think it is and in fact is almost non exist. If people really want to know why minorities are spurning the GOP and conservative movement in genneral it's because of crap like this.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me when white, middle to upper class males are so quick on the draw with accusations of racism. Walking past a couple of threatening looking African American males must have been very traumatic. I watched the video. It's some college geek looking for a story that isn't there.

Anyhow, I sure as hell do know what I'm talking about when it comes to racism. I've seen and experienced some pretty ugly racism first hand. Ever seen a white cop beat someone you knew with a mag flashlight because of the color of their skin? I have. Know anyone that was gunned down because they were Mexican? That my friend is racism. So spare me your pronouncements.

As Redbar stated equating some clowns from the "new black panther party" at one polling station with a couple hundered years of institutional racist policies is the height of ignorance and just more of the same horse crap that went on with the debate about ACORN and simply serves to distract from the real issue, that voter fraud is nowhere near the problem Fox News would like you to think it is and in fact is almost non exist. If people really want to know why minorities are spurning the GOP and conservative movement in genneral it's because of crap like this.

This merits a rep, but I have to spread it around first.
 

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Republicans want to destroy the healt care system for the American people. Paul Ryan said so.

"This to us is something that we’re not going to give up on, because we’re not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people"
-Paul Ryan

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It never ceases to amaze me when white, middle to upper class males are so quick on the draw with accusations of racism. Walking past a couple of threatening looking African American males must have been very traumatic. I watched the video. It's some college geek looking for a story that isn't there.

Anyhow, I sure as hell do know what I'm talking about when it comes to racism. I've seen and experienced some pretty ugly racism first hand. Ever seen a white cop beat someone you knew with a mag flashlight because of the color of their skin? I have. Know anyone that was gunned down because they were Mexican? That my friend is racism. So spare me your pronouncements.

As Redbar stated equating some clowns from the "new black panther party" at one polling station with a couple hundered years of institutional racist policies is the height of ignorance and just more of the same horse crap that went on with the debate about ACORN and simply serves to distract from the real issue, that voter fraud is nowhere near the problem Fox News would like you to think it is and in fact is almost non exist. If people really want to know why minorities are spurning the GOP and conservative movement in genneral it's because of crap like this.

You can dismiss it all you want. It was voter intimidation and it should have been prosecuted. The fact that this country has a history of racism against blacks does not make what these three clowns did acceptable. You also watched the wrong video, there are many.

You can have your own theories as to why minorities vote primarily Democrat and I'll have mine. Fair enough. I'm not saying this swayed an election, but there's no denying it was illegal and should have been prosecuted. You also aren't touching why AG Holder wouldn't prosecute.

Racism still exists and is a two way street. I grew up 15 minutes outside a very poor, medium sized city. I spent 5 years in the city of Philadelphia. I have been on the wrong end of some bad situations. You won't hear me supporting anything above you noted about cops beating people or Mexicans getting shot down. That was off topic.

I found it hypocritical that you decry racism, but then throw out a phrase of "grandparents voting republican in white neighborhoods." Out of all the posts in this entire thread, that might be the most stereotypical one and it's got your name on it.
 

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Republicans want to destroy the healt care system for the American people. Paul Ryan said so.

"This to us is something that we’re not going to give up on, because we’re not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people"
-Paul Ryan

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lol. Politicians don't have to be eloquent, but they certainly should be clear when they are speaking.
 

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The Republicans have lost the last two presidential elections( and things don't look good for the next. ) It's not them, it's voter fraud.
 
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