Politics

[BobD]

BobD, you should have your money. Ugh.

Thank you Sir!
Your a man of your word.
Cheers!

 

[autry_denson]

ok...I couldn't resist responding to this one...

I'll transition to football thusly...

I'm going out on a limb here...the first touchdown you ever scored....you spiked it, didn't you?

ha - good call here, this made me laugh b/c I actually had the nerve to give a heisman pose after my first high school TD. All in good fun but my coach and dad let me know what they thought about it right away!

As for teh post, I started writing in a magnanimous tone and then, well, I let it slip a bit. Thought some of that needed to be said.

 

[Irish#1]

Like everything else, it all goes in cycles. This too shall pass.

 

[IrishinSyria]

First of all congratulations to the president and all of his supporters. Condolences to those who believed in Mitt Romney. Elections are inherently divisive, now is the time for us to put aside partisan acrimony and come together to solve our nation's many issues.

Second, I am in agreement with IrishJayhawk: when historians look back at our era decades from now, President Obama will be looked on favorably, perhaps even as one of the greats.

Third, I was impressed by Romney as a candidate, though he certainly did commit his share of unforced errors. As the Senate races proved, it is the GOP itself that held him back. The party is fighting battles on women's rights, gay marriage, immigration and other issues that are- over the long term- losing fights. A GOP that truly stood for limited government- in the bedroom as well the economy, overseas as well as at home- but did not go to the extremes of the libertarians could potentially assemble a huge coalition in today's America. Candidate Romney wanted that middle ground, but in the end the more extreme elements of his coalition prevented him from seizing it. The religious right's moment is coming to an end, they will soon be more of a burden to their party than boon.

Finally, where my vBucks at?

 

[irishpat183]

First of all congratulations to the president and all of his supporters. Condolences to those who believed in Mitt Romney. Elections are inherently divisive, now is the time for us to put aside partisan acrimony and come together to solve our nation's many issues.

Second, I am in agreement with IrishJayhawk: when historians look back at our era decades from now, President Obama will be looked on favorably, perhaps even as one of the greats.

Third, I was impressed by Romney as a candidate, though he certainly did commit his share of unforced errors. As the Senate races proved, it is the GOP itself that held him back. The party is fighting battles on women's rights, gay marriage, immigration and other issues that are- over the long term- losing fights. A GOP that truly stood for limited government- in the bedroom as well the economy, overseas as well as at home- but did not go to the extremes of the libertarians could potentially assemble a huge coalition in today's America. Candidate Romney wanted that middle ground, but in the end the more extreme elements of his coalition prevented him from seizing it. The religious right's moment is coming to an end, they will soon be more of a burden to their party than boon.

Finally, where my vBucks at?

Great post

 

[GoIrish41]

Actually I thought about it more and figured that the VP selection is what doomed Romney. I believe I said it on here when it happened.

Romney is what doomed Romney. when he came out and said that 47 percent of the country saw themselves as victims who were content to suck off the government teet he threw any chance he had of winning out the window. His distain for the very people that he needed to win doomed him to defeat.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Great post

He's had a good run.

 

[peoriairish]

Not President related, but voting related. Maybe the funniest tweets to come out of last night.

Fake SportsCenter ‏@FakeSportsCentr
University of Colorado football team expects Honey Badger in uniform by lunch

Christian Lander ‏@clander
Now that pot is all the way legal in Colorado, the Denver Nuggets need to change their logo.

And thanks for the kind words BobD. A peoriairish always pays his debts.

 

[GoIrish41]

To all the thoughtful and intellectually honest conservatives who argued in favor of Romney based on their convictions and ideals for the future of the country, it’s been a pleasure arguing with you. Keep pushing for your ideals, the country will be better off if honest people are engaging in debate.

To those who were certain that Romney would win, how about some accountability? This outcome is a triumph of evidence over opinion, and should provoke a strong reaction against all of the pundits and their followers who ignore data and promote an ideological interpretation of basic facts. It is not often that a debate on a thread like this can be resolved definitively, but this one was. You guys who came up with all kinds of anecdotal reasons why your guy would win were dead wrong. Debate is over, the evidence-based argument won. It would be nice if some of you would own up to it.

To those who spewed venom throughout the leadup to the election, who tried to provoke subtle racial hatred, who demonized the President and his supporters, who had no problem blatantly distorting words, opinions, and history: FU. You are hurting the country. This stuff comes from both sides, but in this election it was rampant on the Republican side and it was rampant from a small number of posters on this thread. It is a nice feeling to know that your distortions will be irrelevant for the next four years, and I will enjoy hearing you whine about it.

And to all, let’s get back to football. We’ve got an undefeated team that’s contending for a national championship, let’s get back to enjoying this run!

great post. reps.

 

[Grahambo]

Can't lie. I didn't vote. I do not follow politics enough to give an educational and proper vote. I did fight for this country and believe I have done my part in that regard.

I will say: Chris Christie in 2016!!!

 

[irishpat183]

Romney is what doomed Romney. when he came out and said that 47 percent of the country saw themselves as victims who were content to suck off the government teet he threw any chance he had of winning out the window. His distain for the very people that he needed to win doomed him to defeat.

Thing is...he was right. I do believe that 47% of this country thinks they're victims.


It's a wake up call to this country. Cut the "woe is me" attitude and get out and work. Jobs are available. I can't drive to work without seeing help wanted signs on every corner.

And poliltical party has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of lazy conservatives out there.

We live in the times of Jersey Shore and Honey boo boo.....Kids that talk back to their parents and can't fight their own battles (this BS bullying movement). We want government to tell us what to eat, buy us cellphones, provide us with homes that we can't afford....


We're a nation of p*ssies. I'm running next election "Irishpat: Preventing the p*ssification of America"!

 

[JughedJones]

Thing is...he was right. I do believe that 47% of this country thinks they're victims.


It's a wake up call to this country. Cut the "woe is me" attitude and get out and work. Jobs are available. I can't drive to work without seeing help wanted signs on every corner.

And poliltical party has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of lazy conservatives out there.

We live in the times of Jersey Shore and Honey boo boo.....Kids that talk back to their parents and can't fight their own battles (this BS bullying movement). We want government to tell us what to eat, buy us cellphones, provide us with homes that we can't afford....


We're a nation of p*ssies. I'm running next election "Irishpat: Preventing the p*ssification of America"!

Wow....

Meltdown is coming in full effect here huh?

47% are lazy, It's all honey boo boo's fault, you're all pussies!


People that agree with you need to learn, the nation didn't accept this kind of rhetoric and it won't anytime soon.

 

[NDdomer2]

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[irishpat183]

Wow....

Meltdown is coming in full effect here huh?

47% are lazy, It's all honey boo boo's fault, you're all pussies!


People that agree with you need to learn, the nation didn't accept this kind of rhetoric and it won't anytime soon.

Hey, it is what it is. Not a meltdown.

And you're right. The nation will never accept this. Because they hate hearing the truth.

I'm looking for a VP, I need someone that can communicate my messege to the public in a more "tactful" fashion...You in?

 

[irishpat183]

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That show is hilarious.

The best was when they were hiding from their wives..."I said biiiiiiiiiiiiiiitc......

 

[RDU Irish]

Congrats on the victory Obama fans.

Hopefully the following issues can be addressed sooner rather than later. They should have bipartisan support.

1) Social Security - Add a month for every year starting at age 60 until three or four years are added (young people early retirement equals 65, full retirement at 70 and late retirement at 74 or so)

2) Corporate taxes - Lower top line rate to 20% - 25% and "pay for it" by eliminating as many loopholes as possible. Obama is sure to keep green job loopholes, concede it for the greater good. Small business can incorportate to save taxes if they want to reinvest for growth.

3) Defense spending will be cut, stop whining about it and do what you can to invest in capital (planes and ships) versus payroll. Let's see what happens with reduced spending for a while rather than promote the military industrial complex so vehemently.

4) See if there is any middle ground on promoting domestic energy. I think Obama is an ideologue on this issue and will only crack down harder.

5) I think they all puss out on Bush tax cuts and extend them as is. Not enough time to rewrite for just the rich and that does little for revenue since 80% of the "cost" is middle class cuts. This averts half of the fiscal cliff and likely is not extended more than a year or two, then it hits home. Combine half the fiscal cliff now and half later and we have good headwinds to much economic improvement for a couple of years. Oh, and Obamacare costs start coming on line so more headwinds to economic success. We just have to deal with it.

 

[JughedJones]

Congrats on the victory Obama fans.

Hopefully the following issues can be addressed sooner rather than later. They should have bipartisan support.

1) Social Security - Add a month for every year starting at age 60 until three or four years are added (young people early retirement equals 65, full retirement at 70 and late retirement at 74 or so)

2) Corporate taxes - Lower top line rate to 20% - 25% and "pay for it" by eliminating as many loopholes as possible. Obama is sure to keep green job loopholes, concede it for the greater good. Small business can incorportate to save taxes if they want to reinvest for growth.

3) Defense spending will be cut, stop whining about it and do what you can to invest in capital (planes and ships) versus payroll. Let's see what happens with reduced spending for a while rather than promote the military industrial complex so vehemently.

4) See if there is any middle ground on promoting domestic energy. I think Obama is an ideologue on this issue and will only crack down harder.

5) I think they all puss out on Bush tax cuts and extend them as is. Not enough time to rewrite for just the rich and that does little for revenue since 80% of the "cost" is middle class cuts. This averts half of the fiscal cliff and likely is not extended more than a year or two, then it hits home. Combine half the fiscal cliff now and half later and we have good headwinds to much economic improvement for a couple of years. Oh, and Obamacare costs start coming on line so more headwinds to economic success. We just have to deal with it.

Federal report: U.S. oil imports down, domestic production highest since 2003 - Los Angeles Times

Saudi Arabia, look out. US could lead oil production. - CSMonitor.com

 

[GoIrish41]

Thing is...he was right. I do believe that 47% of this country thinks they're victims.


It's a wake up call to this country. Cut the "woe is me" attitude and get out and work. Jobs are available. I can't drive to work without seeing help wanted signs on every corner.

And poliltical party has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of lazy conservatives out there.

We live in the times of Jersey Shore and Honey boo boo.....Kids that talk back to their parents and can't fight their own battles (this BS bullying movement). We want government to tell us what to eat, buy us cellphones, provide us with homes that we can't afford....


We're a nation of p*ssies. I'm running next election "Irishpat: Preventing the p*ssification of America"!

As a democrat, I hope this is the position that the entire GOP takes following a decisive defeat in a crossroads election. It will just make their own irrelevance come more quickly than it would waiting for the inevitable that would slowly happen anyway as the electorate becomes more and more hispanic and black. If they continue to promote positions that alienate minorities and women and cling to the notion that they are right and everyone else is wrong, they will destroy their own credibility. I suspect that they will eventually move back toward the Center where the voters are. This will require them to abandon their selfrighteousness. They ignore the mandate the voters handed them at their own peril, and, in the short term, at the peril of the country as it stares over the fiscal cliff.

 

[twig21]

Thing is...he was right. I do believe that 47% of this country thinks they're victims.


It's a wake up call to this country. Cut the "woe is me" attitude and get out and work. Jobs are available. I can't drive to work without seeing help wanted signs on every corner.

And poliltical party has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of lazy conservatives out there.

We live in the times of Jersey Shore and Honey boo boo.....Kids that talk back to their parents and can't fight their own battles (this BS bullying movement). We want government to tell us what to eat, buy us cellphones, provide us with homes that we can't afford....


We're a nation of p*ssies. I'm running next election "Irishpat: Preventing the p*ssification of America"!

Do you realize that the 47% Romney blabbered about included seniors on Medicare and Medicade?
We aren't a nation of p*ssies just a lot of intolerants, wish you would think a little before you write. Aren't you the one who went off on Saturday during the game?

 

[Corry]

1) Social Security - Add a month for every year starting at age 60 until three or four years are added (young people early retirement equals 65, full retirement at 70 and late retirement at 74 or so)

QUOTE]

Dude the life exceptancy 78. I don't want to pay for a service for 50 years, and use it for eight.

World Development Indicators and Global Development Finance - Google Public Data Explorer

 

[irishpat183]

1) Social Security - Add a month for every year starting at age 60 until three or four years are added (young people early retirement equals 65, full retirement at 70 and late retirement at 74 or so)

QUOTE]

Dude the life exceptancy 78. I don't want to pay for a service for 50 years, and use it for eight.

World Development Indicators and Global Development Finance - Google Public Data Explorer

Life expectancy doens't really mean much....People are living longer and longer.

Right now there are over 51k people 100 years old or older....by 2030 that number will be over 300k!

While life expectancy is useful, it's not telling the whole story.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Also, I'm praying for Mark Warner in 2016. Socially liberal guy who really understands business and Government's role in facilitating the economy.

If 2016 is between Warner and Christie I will be a very happy person and have a whole bunch of faith in this country. Two guys who I believe have great policies and although they differ on some things they would both be a huge step forward for this country IMO.

Romney had a great concession speech which only reiterated that the Republican primaries pushed him too far to the right to win. Hopefully Republicans realize this and move away from the religious extremists and the teabaggers.

 

[pkt77242]

Congrats on the victory Obama fans.

Hopefully the following issues can be addressed sooner rather than later. They should have bipartisan support.

1) Social Security - Add a month for every year starting at age 60 until three or four years are added (young people early retirement equals 65, full retirement at 70 and late retirement at 74 or so)

2) Corporate taxes - Lower top line rate to 20% - 25% and "pay for it" by eliminating as many loopholes as possible. Obama is sure to keep green job loopholes, concede it for the greater good. Small business can incorportate to save taxes if they want to reinvest for growth.

3) Defense spending will be cut, stop whining about it and do what you can to invest in capital (planes and ships) versus payroll. Let's see what happens with reduced spending for a while rather than promote the military industrial complex so vehemently.

4) See if there is any middle ground on promoting domestic energy. I think Obama is an ideologue on this issue and will only crack down harder.

5) I think they all puss out on Bush tax cuts and extend them as is. Not enough time to rewrite for just the rich and that does little for revenue since 80% of the "cost" is middle class cuts. This averts half of the fiscal cliff and likely is not extended more than a year or two, then it hits home. Combine half the fiscal cliff now and half later and we have good headwinds to much economic improvement for a couple of years. Oh, and Obamacare costs start coming on line so more headwinds to economic success. We just have to deal with it.

I think you can find some middle ground on some of these. I would like to see the retirement age for social security raised to 68 and early retirement to 65 (with maybe an exemption for people who work in manual labor fields to still get early retirement at 62). I could possibly be talked into raising to 70 but I would want some really good concession.

I would like to see corporate rates cut to 28% and get rid of most of the deductuions (again I could be talked into 25% if you can show that it would revenue neutral and not Romney type math on revenue neutral)

Agreed on cutting military spending. It needs to happen but it needs to be done smartly.

I completely disagree on the energy part.

I am on the record of phasing in higher taxes on a couple of income brackets.

On people making over 1 million dollars I would raise their taxes by 6% but stagger it over 3 years raising it 2% each year

people making over 500K would see a 4 percent increase staggered over 3 years
people making over 250K would see a 2% increase staggered with no change in year 1 and a 1% increase each of the next 2
and people making over 100k would see a 1% increase in the third year (nothing before that).

 

[irishpat183]

If 2016 is between Warner and Christie I will be a very happy person and have a whole bunch of faith in this country. Two guys who I believe have great policies and although they differ on some things they would both be a huge step forward for this country IMO.

Romney had a great concession speech which only reiterated that the Republican primaries pushed him too far to the right to win. Hopefully Republicans realize this and move away from the religious extremists and the teabaggers.

And hopefully the left moves away from the OWS and tree huggers.....

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think you can find some middle ground on some of these. I would like to see the retirement age for social security raised to 68 and early retirement to 65 (with maybe an exemption for people who work in manual labor fields to still get early retirement at 62). I could possibly be talked into raising to 70 but I would want some really good concession.

I would like to see corporate rates cut to 28% and get rid of most of the deductuions (again I could be talked into 25% if you can show that it would revenue neutral and not Romney type math on revenue neutral)

Agreed on cutting military spending. It needs to happen but it needs to be done smartly.

I completely disagree on the energy part.

I am on the record of phasing in higher taxes on a couple of income brackets.

On people making over 1 million dollars I would raise their taxes by 6% but stagger it over 3 years raising it 2% each year

people making over 500K would see a 4 percent increase staggered over 3 years
people making over 250K would see a 2% increase staggered with no change in year 1 and a 1% increase each of the next 2
and people making over 100k would see a 1% increase in the third year (nothing before that).

Is this before or after the scheduled increases in 2013? Are these individuals or families?

 

[pkt77242]

Is this before or after the scheduled increases in 2013? Are these individuals or families?

before the scheduled increase so this would take the place of the 2013 increase. For family income, sorry that post was unclear about that, though I could be talked into it being by individual income but then I want the cap lifted off of social security income tax.

 

[irishpat183]

I think you can find some middle ground on some of these. I would like to see the retirement age for social security raised to 68 and early retirement to 65 (with maybe an exemption for people who work in manual labor fields to still get early retirement at 62). I could possibly be talked into raising to 70 but I would want some really good concession.

I would like to see corporate rates cut to 28% and get rid of most of the deductuions (again I could be talked into 25% if you can show that it would revenue neutral and not Romney type math on revenue neutral)

Agreed on cutting military spending. It needs to happen but it needs to be done smartly.

I completely disagree on the energy part.

I am on the record of phasing in higher taxes on a couple of income brackets.

On people making over 1 million dollars I would raise their taxes by 6% but stagger it over 3 years raising it 2% each year

people making over 500K would see a 4 percent increase staggered over 3 years
people making over 250K would see a 2% increase staggered with no change in year 1 and a 1% increase each of the next 2
and people making over 100k would see a 1% increase in the third year (nothing before that).

I agree with cutting deductions.

Social program reform is a must. SS will not last. You can delay it all you want, but it's going to go broke. Same with medicare. Simply taxing the citizens more isn't going to fix the problem if our government keeps using it as a spending account. Also, a system in which not everyone puts into, but gets the benefits, is doomed to fail anyway at some point. Besides, SS was never designed to be your retirement plan. Read the fine print.

My fear with these pushes for "more revenue" is that it doesn't solve the problems if we don't cut/curb spending or spend said revenue in the right place. It's amazing that no matter how much money the goverment takes in....it's never enough.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

And hopefully the left moves away from the OWS and tree huggers.....

Environmentalism will only get bigger when it becomes clearer and clearer that the world needs saving.

 

[irishpat183]

Environmentalism will only get bigger when it becomes clearer and clearer that the world needs saving.

And by that time, it'll be too late.

Besides, man doesn't create global warming. So there is nothing we can do about the earth cycles anyway.

 

[pkt77242]

I agree with cutting deductions.

Social program reform is a must. SS will not last. You can delay it all you want, but it's going to go broke. Same with medicare. Simply taxing the citizens more isn't going to fix the problem if our government keeps using it as a spending account. Also, a system in which not everyone puts into, but gets the benefits, is doomed to fail anyway at some point. Besides, SS was never designed to be your retirement plan. Read the fine print.

My fear with these pushes for "more revenue" is that it doesn't solve the problems if we don't cut/curb spending or spend said revenue in the right place. It's amazing that no matter how much money the goverment takes in....it's never enough.

I am for raising revenue and cutting spending. Both must be done to get us out of this hole. I am willing to give some reform on social programs but then the right had better be able to give some on tax increases. You can't just cut spending to get out of this problem, doing so would send the economy crashing to the ground just as much as if we tried to raise taxes to get us out of the budget problem.