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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%

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    Votes: 130 36.9%
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Rhode Irish

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Rizzophil said:
Chris Mathews and others continue to say that the media has a liberal bias.

America has always been a middle-right leaning country.

The American people are waking up to the fact that the main stream media is liberal too. Mainstream media ratings are way down.
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The democratic party is a middle-right party. The republican party is a far-right party.

Anyways, there are only two scenarios in which Obama loses this election: the polling was systematically wrong and the polls were not properly calibrated to match the electorate, or the republican efforts to restrict voting rights in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania were successful. All of the polling data is pointing to a (comfortable) win for the President.

The right wing is certainly getting behind the first of the above scenarios as the way they envision their candidate winning; I find that scenario very, very hard to imagine. Pollsters do this for a living; if they are all that wrong, we should just stop polling from now on. Obviously, the two can be related (i.e., the turnout is more republican than expected because efforts to suppress turnout in urban areas succeeded).

Bottom line: this is all talk and speculation. Talk is cheap. Something is actually going to happen tomorrow, and I am nervous as a mofo. Being a sports fan has taught me that even if all the metrics are pointing your way, even if all the smart people are picking your team and only hopeless homers are picking the other guys, even if every logical fiber of your being is telling you that you should win, you just never know.

Not going to get much sleep either of the next two nights. I truly feel, as I'm sure people on the other side do, that our country is at the precipice and that if my guy loses tomorrow we are going to become a country I don't believe in and don't want to be a part of. Pretty scary.
 
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I've enjoyed the debate on this thread. Even though it got heated at times, I feel like it was a good overall discussion. We've all made our points, defended our positions, and made our predictions. But tomorrow is the day that counts. I agree with RI above that this country is on the precipice and that this election may be more important than most others -- at least it feels like it to me. I hope that all of you vote tomorrow, no matter your choice. I'll be on here again tomorrow evening to congratulate each of you from this thread on the and long-awaited conclusion to this election. No matter the outcome, we must move forward as a country. The highly partisan nature of modern politics must end or this country will never be as good as its promise.
 
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Rhode Irish said:
The democratic party is a middle-right party. The republican party is a far-right party.

Anyways, there are only two scenarios in which Obama loses this election: the polling was systematically wrong and the polls were not properly calibrated to match the electorate, or the republican efforts to restrict voting rights in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania were successful. All of the polling data is pointing to a (comfortable) win for the President.

The right wing is certainly getting behind the first of the above scenarios as the way they envision their candidate winning; I find that scenario very, very hard to imagine. Pollsters do this for a living; if they are all that wrong, we should just stop polling from now on. Obviously, the two can be related (i.e., the turnout is more republican than expected because efforts to suppress turnout in urban areas succeeded).

Bottom line: this is all talk and speculation. Talk is cheap. Something is actually going to happen tomorrow, and I am nervous as a mofo. Being a sports fan has taught me that even if all the metrics are pointing your way, even if all the smart people are picking your team and only hopeless homers are picking the other guys, even if every logical fiber of your being is telling you that you should win, you just never know.

Not going to get much sleep either of the next two nights. I truly feel, as I'm sure people on the other side do, that our country is at the precipice and that if my guy loses tomorrow we are going to become a country I don't believe in and don't want to be a part of. Pretty scary.
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I think that's the ONLY way Romney can win.
 
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I will say this. No matter who wins the election America is the greatest country in the World. We have many freedoms here that many other country's do not have. Whether the person I am voting for tomorrow wins or loses I will still believe that and want to live in America. For those that don't feel that way I say GET OUT. If you really don't like the country then we don't need you.

When people say "If so and so doesn't win then I am going to go Canada"

That drives me crazy.
 
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Big changes on 538. Silver took Ohio off of the swing state list. I disagree because of the electronic voting will give it to Romney whether he won it or not, but he also has Obama slightly leading in Florida and Colorado, New Hampshire, and Virginia as likely Obama. I hope he's right.
 
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Title2014 said:
Big changes on 538. Silver took Ohio off of the swing state list. I disagree because of the electronic voting will give it to Romney whether he won it or not, but he also has Obama slightly leading in Florida and Colorado, New Hampshire, and Virginia as likely Obama. I hope he's right.
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If he's wrong, I'll be back for a mea culpa.
 
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NDTampa said:
I will say this. No matter who wins the election America is the greatest country in the World. We have many freedoms here that many other country's do not have. Whether the person I am voting for tomorrow wins or loses I will still believe that and want to live in America. For those that don't feel that way I say GET OUT. If you really don't like the country then we don't need you.

When people say "If so and so doesn't win then I am going to go Canada"

That drives me crazy.
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If you're responding to me, I never EVER have said I would leave. First of all, that is childish and silly. Second of all, I stand in and fight. If I lose, I will donate more money and more time to beat the bad guys next time. But I will not be proud of my country if it is run by a group of cynical anti-intellectuals who are motivated only by their own selfishness and antipathy for everything they don't understand. At this moment in time, a republican-controlled Washington will dismantle and destroy a near-century's worth of social progress while returning to fiscal policies that benefit only the most fortunate.

I say this with all the humility in the world, but the republicans winning would benefit my bank account. I just don't need the help from the government (yeah, two sides to that story); I'd rather contribute to a society where everyone has healthcare and people less fortunate than I are provided the safety net that we are so clearly capable of providing.
 
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Title2014 said:
I think he'll be wrong on Florida and semi-wrong on Ohio but besides that I put my full faith in the numbers.
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He's only got a 52.5% chance for Obama in Florida. It wouldn't be weird if he was "wrong" there. If he misses on Ohio, the model was wrong.
 
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While not as old as OMM and possibly others who read and contribute to this message board, I have lived through a lot more than most of you.

My maternal grandparents changed their name from Schmidt to Smith during the Great War (now known as WWI) and my paternal grandparents emigrated to the US from Ireland in the late 1900's. My parents and grandparents weathered the Great Depression. I heard stories. They made an impression.

The "bottom line" is that Social Security, the 40 hour work week, the Minimum Wage, Voting Rights and many "entitlement" programs have made much of what we enjoy today possible.

Past Republicans would be aghast at how far to the "right" the party has squirmed. Eisenhower warned of the Military Industrial Complex. Hell, Nixon called for a price and wage freeze in response to inflation. How does that sit with "free market" adherents? Ford had his "WIN" buttons – "Whip Inflation Now." To what affect?

Carter adopted a "put on a sweater and buy a fuel efficient cars in response to the newly formed OPEC

Reagan began the dismantling of Medicare (and subsequently Medicaid) by pushing for pre-tax this and pre-tax that deductions that benefitted corporations far more than their employees – all while screwing royally current retirees and those down the road.

Face it. Insurance, be it private or public, is a pyramid/ponzi "scheme." Spread the risk. "Pay me now or pay me (more) later."

Let the good times roll ...
 
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I also learned another thing today that should make people think...

Jimmy Carter's administration helped make home brewing legal. If that doesn't make a democratic voter out of ya... ;)
 
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I have voted for the president. But I consider myself a moderate. I think Republicans should read Kevin Phillips. This author/pundit was a campaign worker for Nixon. He coined the phrase "the silent majority." And among his books is "Wealth and Democracy." A book about six years old "American Theocracy" cites three major problems in America today: debt, religion and oil. His points are compelling and he is VERY critical of what the Republican Party has become. I will state with Rachel Maddow that I am a liberal which means I agree with most all of the Republican platform during the Eisenhower Administration.
 
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gatsby said:
I have voted for the president. But I consider myself a moderate. I think Republicans should read Kevin Phillips. This author/pundit was a campaign worker for Nixon. He coined the phrase "the silent majority." And among his books is "Wealth and Democracy." A book about six years old "American Theocracy" cites three major problems in America today: debt, religion and oil. His points are compelling and he is VERY critical of what the Republican Party has become. I will state with Rachel Maddow that I am a liberal which means I agree with most all of the Republican platform during the Eisenhower Administration.
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All of this.
 
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IrishJayhawk said:
I also learned another thing today that should make people think...

Jimmy Carter's administration helped make home brewing legal. If that doesn't make a democratic voter out of ya... ;)
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dshans said:
Ummm ... whatever floats yer boat? Sláinte!
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Funny that beer would come up in a conversation about Jimmy Carter. Remember this crap?
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Rhode Irish said:
If you're responding to me, I never EVER have said I would leave.
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hmmmm...

This quote ring a bell...

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If Romney wins this election I think I'll look into moving to Canada. Good post, Canuck.
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I always knew you were just a Debbie Wasserman Schultz in Duval's clothing

BTW...told you your inability to utilize italics would bite you in the ***...
 
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phgreek said:
hmmmm...

This quote ring a bell...



I always knew you were just a Debbie Wasserman Schultz in Duval's clothing

BTW...told you your inability to utilize italics would bite you in the ***...
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Haha. Good sleuthing. Don't recall this, but I can assure I wasn't serious, FWIW.
 
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I have to admit that I am going to miss this thread. Thanks for the debates (both the logical and the crazy). I will be on tomorrow night, who else will be?
 
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phgreek said:
I know you were joking ... thats why I was busting your balls about italics...
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Yeah I know. Just wanted to get it on the record that I won't moving to Canada, regardless of what happens tomorrow. Don't want to get all the Canadian women in a tizzy.

Reps for tracking down my quote, though.
 
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pkt77242 said:
I have to admit that I am going to miss this thread. Thanks for the debates (both the logical and the crazy). I will be on tomorrow night, who else will be?
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I plan on either being at the bar getting hammered because Romney won, or getting hammered at my house with my roommates because Romney lost.


lol
 
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