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[In Lou I Trust]

Did their bring their clubs and sticks this year or are they being "peaceful"???

Not sure but I heard Eric Holder won't let it go there......

 

[Rhode Irish]

Black Panthers back at the polling places in Philly. Those damn racist Republicans!!

Did their bring their clubs and sticks this year or are they being "peaceful"???

You guys really will believe anything, won't you? You make it way too easy for them.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

You guys really will believe anything, won't you? You make it way too easy for them.

So the Black Panthers aren't at polling places?

 

[gatsby]

Is it still a law that you can't buy booze until after 6pm on election day in Indiana? I remember thinking that was about the stupidest law ever. Like you couldn't buy it the day before? Whats it say about how lawmakers feel about voters? Voters are a bunch of stupid drunks and they'll screw up the vote?

When I was at ND in the 60's Indiana had several what I believe were called "blue laws." I remember (although, of course I wasn't yet 21 and never consumed alcohol : - ) that booze was not sold on Sunday. But the most unique law in those days was that women could not sit at the bar in an alcohol establishment.

 

[gatsby]

I voted for Bush II because he was a guy I could see myself drinking a beer with

There was an interesting article recently about how the first Bush made some hard choices that cost him a second term but began the prosperity that Clinton presided over and got most of the credit for. I thought Bush pere was a pretty good president, and the second Bush one of the worst presidents ever, certainly in my lifetime. Then the article went on to describe Obama's policies and the gradual upward trend of the economy that Romney might get all the credit for if elected.

 

[Rhode Irish]

So the Black Panthers aren't at polling places?

Um, the hysterical FOXNews story says that there is exactly ONE black panther at a polling place, working as a poll watcher. And my guess is that that gentleman is no more partisan, racist or likely to intimidate voters than the "Free the Vote" poll watchers. Given the transparent and shameful effort to intimidate minorities from voting in FL, OH and PA, I'm glad this dude is out there counteracting it.

But to say the "Black Panthers" are at polling places implies that a gang is out there scaring people away, and it is a little disengenuous because that clearly isn't what is happening.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Um, the hysterical FOXNews story says that there is exactly ONE black panther at a polling place, working as a poll watcher. And my guess is that that gentleman is no more partisan, racist or likely to intimidate voters than the "Free the Vote" poll watchers. Given the transparent and shameful effort to intimidate minorities from voting in FL, OH and PA, I'm glad this dude is out there counteracting it.

But to say the "Black Panthers" are at polling places implies that a gang is out there scaring people away, and it is a little disengenuous because that clearly isn't what is happening.

LOL at poll watcher. Anyone want to buy a bridge?

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Um, the hysterical FOXNews story says that there is exactly ONE black panther at a polling place, working as a poll watcher. And my guess is that that gentleman is no more partisan, racist or likely to intimidate voters than the "Free the Vote" poll watchers. Given the transparent and shameful effort to intimidate minorities from voting in FL, OH and PA, I'm glad this dude is out there counteracting it.

But to say the "Black Panthers" are at polling places implies that a gang is out there scaring people away, and it is a little disengenuous because that clearly isn't what is happening.

I know you're not ignorant or naive so please stop acting like it. You can't honestly believe that even one person who is associated with such a radical organization isn't intimidating. Four years ago one of them stood outside with a baton. Please give me a good reason for that. SO FAR this year there is one man who, while not brandishing a weapon, is there solely for intimidation purposes. You can back the President and the Democratic Party but why do you feel the need to back an organization founded on hate?

 

[In Lou I Trust]

LOL at poll watcher. Anyone want to buy a bridge?

Haha... I've got some ocean side property in Iowa for sale, too.

 

[Rhode Irish]

LOL at poll watcher. Anyone want to buy a bridge?

I know you're not ignorant or naive so please stop acting like it. You can't honestly believe that even one person who is associated with such a radical organization isn't intimidating. Four years ago one of them stood outside with a baton. Please give me a good reason for that. SO FAR this year there is one man who, while not brandishing a weapon, is there solely for intimidation purposes. You can back the President and the Democratic Party but why do you feel the need to back an organization founded on hate?

Facts are facts. Dude is a poll watcher. I'd bet my last dollar that he wouldn't be there if his community wasn't worried about its access to the polls. The Black Panthers is not really even a thing anymore (this isn't the 1960s), so it feels stupid even talking about it, but they are no more radical or hate-filled than the Tea Party. The only differences between this guy and the sorry excuses for human beings watching the polls for "Free the Vote" are that this guy is black and funnily dressed, there is only one of him, and he is probably much less racist.

 

[pkt77242]

I know you're not ignorant or naive so please stop acting like it. You can't honestly believe that even one person who is associated with such a radical organization isn't intimidating. Four years ago one of them stood outside with a baton. Please give me a good reason for that. SO FAR this year there is one man who, while not brandishing a weapon, is there solely for intimidation purposes. You can back the President and the Democratic Party but why do you feel the need to back an organization founded on hate?

Really? Then all those tea party members acting as poll watchers are also intimidating voters as they are just as radical organization.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Serious? No, they're not THE Black Panthers; they're quite possibly worse. Please read up on these idiots and the Tea Party. To compare these 2 groups is asinine.

 

[RDU Irish]

Philly is a joke - 83% Obama in 2008. I am curious to see what the turnout there is like relative to last time around.

The photo in this one is more embarrassing than the voter intimidation guy from 2008 being a poll watcher in 2012.
Funny business in Philly: GOP officials booted, Black Panthers return -- and Obama at polling site? | Fox News

I'm sure some of you will argue Fox photo shopped the picture or something.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Philly is a joke - 83% Obama in 2008. I am curious to see what the turnout there is like relative to last time around.

The photo in this one is more embarrassing than the voter intimidation guy from 2008 being a poll watcher in 2012.
Funny business in Philly: GOP officials booted, Black Panthers return -- and Obama at polling site? | Fox News

I'm sure some of you will argue Fox photo shopped the picture or something.

Nah. It's a real photo. Judge voted to cover it.

But, FOX is a joke too.

 

[GoIrish41]

The republican party in multiple states has tried to systematically keep minorities away from the polls this year. It is funny that a big deal is being made of this single guy from an almost extinct organization when the GOP in these states has acted so excessively during this election for months.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

The republican party in multiple states has tried to systematically keep minorities away from the polls this year. It is funny that a big deal is being made of this single guy from an almost extinct organization when the GOP in these states has acted so excessively during this election for months.

Link?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Link?

Don't even bother, this is where he repeatedly tries to convince us that voter id laws are some grand conspiracy from the republicans to disenfranchise voters. He's getting out his tin foil right now. The only problem is that a majority of Americans support voter id laws, including the majority of democrats. Having a photo id to vote seems like such a unfair illogical requirement.

 

[GoIrish41]

Link?

Link to what? The hundreds of news stories during this cycle that you pretend weren't reported.

In Pennsylvania, the Supreme Court put on hold a new voter ID law that might have kept thousands of low income or minorities away from polling places in the state. Even after it was overturned, the state kept sending out mailers telling people that an ID was required to vote, even though it was not. There have been billboards up in poorer neighborhoods in cities throughout the swing states that featured a judge's gavel telling people that voter fraud was a felony, even though there is precious little evidence of voter fraud anywhere in this country. As yourself why ballots in Florida and Ohio have more garbage legislation on them than in any other election in history and why early voting hours were reduced (or reduced and then overturned) across many of the states. Longer ballots take longer to fill out, and fewer hours to vote means less people could get the opportunity to vote. Have you missed ALL of these types of stories? ... I guess they don't show them on FoxNews.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

How's about this link?

Turzai: Voter ID Will Allow Romney to Win Pa. - YouTube

EDIT: How do I embed a video again?

 

[RDU Irish]

Voter ID laws suppress vote fraud, which suppresses Democrats who like to vote early and often. So yes, it does "disenfranchise" relative to what they are use to getting away with.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Voter ID laws suppress vote fraud, which suppresses Democrats who like to vote early and often. So yes, it does "disenfranchise" relative to what they are use to getting away with.

No good point in getting into this one. We totally disagree. That's cool.

Seriously though...how do I embed a video?

 

[DSully1995]

Its not a conspiracy that conservatism in general will benefit from reduced voter turnout, its just the way it is, by that same argument, D's are very aware of the benefit of getting out the vote, thats why they have the go out and vote campaigns.

 

[RDU Irish]

And I have personally witnessed bus loads of people being handed packs of cigarettes as they get back on the charter bus outside the polling station in Milwaukee. But hey, pics or it didn't happen right?

This load of crap about voter ID supressing or disenfranchising anyone is the biggest farce I have ever heard. All of your arguments start and end with conjecture by some liberal idiot.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

I've had a hard time understanding the Liberal issue with things like voter ID's and drug testing for government assistance. If a Liberal would explain this to me I'd appreciate it. BTW - thanks for the link, Jayhawk.

 

[GoIrish41]

Voter ID laws suppress vote fraud, which suppresses Democrats who like to vote early and often. So yes, it does "disenfranchise" relative to what they are use to getting away with.

There are so few cases of voter fraud in this country that you and I could count them on our hands over the past decade. If you think that there are millions of Dems going to the polls multiple times to vote, your hat is too tight.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

There are so few cases of voter fraud in this country that you and I could count them on our hands over the past decade. If you think that there are millions of Dems going to the polls multiple times to vote, your hat is too tight.

Personally, I've voted several times today.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Personally, I've voted several times today.

Reps for the honesty. LOL

 

[DSully1995]

There are so few cases of voter fraud in this country that you and I could count them on our hands over the past decade. If you think that there are millions of Dems going to the polls multiple times to vote, your hat is too tight.

Yup, something in like 10 for IN-PERSON voter fraud, which is the only thing IDlaws are meant to protect from.

 

[GoIrish41]

I've had a hard time understanding the Liberal issue with things like voter ID's and drug testing for government assistance. If a Liberal would explain this to me I'd appreciate it. BTW - thanks for the link, Jayhawk.

This has been talked about several times during the life of this thread. I think that most Dems don't have an issue with voter ID laws in general. It is the timing that these laws were imposed on citizens that is being objected to most strenuously. For example, in Ohio, the reduction in early voting times that the state law the GOP-led legislature pushed through took effect just after the Republican primaries and before the general election. In larger cities where people don't have to drive, there is little reason for a citizen to get a drivers licence, so hundreds of thousands of people in cities like Philadelphia were asked to provide proof of citizenship in order to get a government issued ID. The strict requirments to do so meant providing an original birth certificate. There are an awful lot of people who do not have their original birth certificate, and without it, no voting. I've said before on this thread that following this election, I'd fully support a national law that required a voter ID card if there was a big push by the governments (state and fed) to ensure citizens have ample time and opportunity to get the ID and resonable guidelines to acquire that ID.

You would get no arguement from me on drug testing for public assistance so I let one of the other "liberals" take that one on.

 

[RDU Irish]

Funny, I suspose all people who jaywalk or speed are caught too? It is very hard to prove and more times than not it is chalked up to the cost of doing business.

You can also claim no voter intimidation in PA b/c Holder let the Panthers go, right?