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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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Ndaccountant

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I thought Libertarian minded folk would think first of the dealer. I mean he runs a business like any other businessman.

That is not really what libertarians think. They think people should be able to do as the please, so long as it really doesn't injure others. Some taxes are good, some aren't. Some regulation is good, some isn't. It all goes back to the ability of the individual to choose.
 
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That is not really what libertarians think. They think people should be able to do as the please, so long as it really doesn't injure others. Some taxes are good, some aren't. Some regulation is good, some isn't. It all goes back to the ability of the individual to choose.

I thought it was all about personal responsibility.

If a gun isn't at their head they are not being forced to take it. They are choosing to take the drug.
 

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I thought it was all about personal responsibility.

If a gun isn't at their head they are not being forced to take it. They are choosing to take the drug.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, which is why my previous comment still stands on legalize and tax the hell out of it.

Same thing as gay marriage. Who the hell am I to decide what is right and what isn't? I will let the individual decide.
 

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If he paid me, sure I would. Your attempts at sarcasm and humor are about as productive as Obama's comments on bayonets last night.

Like Irish Pat said, degrees from those universities don't impress me. if not those-what university degrees impress you? What people do with their degrees and what they produce impresses me. does becoming president of the United States impress you? "Community organizing" doesn't qualify a man to be president. Lawyers are a dime a dozen. dont disagree with you on this
1) What kind of grades did Obama get in school? We have no clue. They're sealed. if you have no use for the university why would the grades matter to you?2) He studied the Constitution and knows exactly what he can do to it so that it doesn't get in his way of his "fundamental transformation" of America. It's going perfectly, isn't it? im sorry i missed it--what specifically has he "done to it". did he unilterally pass an amendment?

As I noted earlier, no president (D or R) has the authority to pass laws (or choose NOT to enforce current laws, hello immigration) without the approval of Congress. This president has made it clear that if Congress gets in his way or doesn't do what he wants, he'll act on his own. We've seen it. when?

This is a radical, power hungry leftist tell us how you really feel- hell bent on redistributing wealth how is he doing that? did he change the tax code? how so? please cite an example and downgrading America and remake it in his image. what does that image look like? Good thing he's got the public endorsement of all of America's enemies too...Putin, Chavez, Castro, etc. all he needs now is for Ahmadinijad and Kim Jong Ills son to endorese him now and hed be all set

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So then yes you can sell things that you know will hurt/injure other people as long as the consumer knows the risk.


Am I forcing people to take drugs? No. But, there still needs to be some regulation of it. Libertarians believe in regulation where needed, but when given the choice, the individual has the right to choose, not the government. It's not a free for all.
 

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It doesn't quote well.

Obama killed multiple American Citizens without trial. He has the least transparent presidency of pretty much all time. He is the head of a government with massive constitutional spending (although to be right, the last couple of R governments rolled with it too). He declared war on a country without anything from congress (Don't bullshit me and tell me that because we had didn't have troops on the ground it didn't count). Don't get me going on the patriot act.
 
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Am I forcing people to take drugs? No. But, there still needs to be some regulation of it. Libertarians believe in regulation where needed, but when given the choice, the individual has the right to choose, not the government. It's not a free for all.

What is it about drugs that demands regulation?

Americans are taught by 8th grade that drugs are bad for them.
 

Ndaccountant

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What is it about drugs that demands regulation?

Americans are taught by 8th grade that drugs are bad for them.

you would need to regulate what you can and cannot do under the influence, much like drinking and driving today.

Drugs may be bad for you, but if you want to take them, be my guest so long as my safety is not put at risk as a result of you doing so.
 

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It doesn't quote well.

Obama killed multiple American Citizens without trial. He has the least transparent presidency of pretty much all time. He is the head of a government with massive constitutional spending (although to be right, the last couple of R governments rolled with it too). He declared war on a country without anything from congress (Don't bullshit me and tell me that because we had didn't have troops on the ground it didn't count). Don't get me going on the patriot act.

With due respect that may be the understatement of the year.
 

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Wasn't the point I was making. I don't care who's letter accompanies it, just i'm pointing out that its wrong.

Yea you were making the point but not quite as enthusiastically as your point about Obama. Bush was every bit as bad, he just started from a balanced budget.
 

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1) A degree doesn't impress me. What you've produced/ achieved over a career does. I don't want a community organizer in the White House any more than I want George Bush teaching a class on public speaking.

2) Getting elected president of the United States isn't a one man achievement. That's a large scale operation and Obama got elected because of his speaking ability and running as a Reagan moderate. We know this now all to be false.

3) I bring up the grades because libs loved calling Bush an idiot but he got better grades than Kerry and we still don't know Obama's grades. Love double standards.

4) What has he done to our country? We're far worse off now (aside from taking out bin *****) than we were 4 years ago in every aspect. That question deserves an entirely new thread. Everything that should be up (private sector jobs, home ownership, take home pay, etc) is down and everything that should be down (debt, deficits, unemployment, food stamps, gas prices, inflation) is up. Last night, despite all this, the president has the audacity to tell Americans we are stronger than we were 4 years ago. Welcome to the twilight zone.

5) "When Congress refuses to act, Joe (Biden) and I will." February 21, 2012. I don't make this $hit up. I'm taking the guy at his own word.

6) Obamacare is by far the biggest tool for redistribution of wealth, forcing one group of people to pay for another group. As our pal Vladimir Lenin said, "Socialized medicine is the cornerstone of the communist state."

7) What does that image look like? The past four years repeated without worrying about another pesky election and as he promised Putin in Russia..."more flexibility."

8) Your words...not mine. If you aren't bothered by the socialist dictators of the world lining up behind Obama, that's a you problem.
 

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You apparently took these convictions up in the last four years because Bush/Cheney would have driven you nuts?!

I was a teenager/ college kid/ young adult for most of those years. All I was worried about was football, getting laid, and figuring out where my next cheesesteak and Keystone Light were coming from. So yes, you're right. I started paying very close attention around 2008-2009 when adulthood hit me. I also acknowledge that administration was far from perfect.
 

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I was a teenager/ college kid/ young adult for most of those years. All I was worried about was football, getting laid, and figuring out where my next cheesesteak and Keystone Light were coming from. So yes, you're right. I started paying very close attention around 2008-2009 when adulthood hit me. I also acknowledge that administration was far from perfect.

and........
 

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I was a teenager/ college kid/ young adult for most of those years. All I was worried about was football, getting laid, and figuring out where my next cheesesteak and Keystone Light were coming from. So yes, you're right. I started paying very close attention around 2008-2009 when adulthood hit me. I also acknowledge that administration was far from perfect.

Well done my friend!
 

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Yea you were making the point but not quite as enthusiastically as your point about Obama. Bush was every bit as bad, he just started from a balanced budget.

I wasn't trying to contrast Obama/Bush/anyother dem/anyother rep just try to point out that our budget is absurd and unconstitutional.
 

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What a zinger! If I were as young and dumb as you make me sound and you as old and wise with your "alas" , it'd be easy for you to take my post and rip it apart point by point. But you can't do that. You threw 8 questions out, I answered them with facts, and all you can do is dismiss my argument because I'm 27. That post alone tells me everything anyone reading this thread needs to know.

Since I grew up in the 1990's and loved The Rock on WWF...I say "Just bring it"
 

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What a zinger! If I were as young and dumb as you make me sound and you as old and wise with your "alas" , it'd be easy for you to take my post and rip it apart point by point. But you can't do that. You threw 8 questions out, I answered them with facts, and all you can do is dismiss my argument because I'm 27. That post alone tells me everything anyone reading this thread needs to know.

Since I grew up in the 1990's and loved The Rock on WWF...I say "Just bring it"

truth be told Lep, i had deleted my post (see the times) figuring i didnt want this to descend into a "one on one" between us and figured why fan the flames.

i will also admit to you that i was the one who started all this with you tonite (one of your earlier posts had just pissed me off and i felt it required a response).

i just honestly feel that there is a total lack of decency shown to our President by so many in our country. just basic common decency for the office and the person who is in it. and felt you were the symbol of that on here in this thread.

i have kids in their 20's (like you) and believe me i DO respect them (and their friends) views and opinions and dont equate age with wisdom or intelligence at all.
i judge people by their actions not their years and treat people as i would like to be treated.
 

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truth be told Lep, i had deleted my post (see the times) figuring i didnt want this to descend into a "one on one" between us and figured why fan the flames.

i will also admit to you that i was the one who started all this with you tonite (one of your earlier posts had just pissed me off and i felt it required a response).

i just honestly feel that there is a total lack of decency shown to our President by so many in our country. just basic common decency for the office and the person who is in it. and felt you were the symbol of that on here in this thread.

i have kids in their 20's (like you) and believe me i DO respect them (and their friends) views and opinions and dont equate age with wisdom or intelligence at all.
i judge people by their actions not their years and treat people as i would like to be treated.


I definitely agree with this statement as long as you believe it happens to both Rs and Ds.
 

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Do white Liberals feel the need to vote for Obama because he's black? Maybe I'm guilty of not reading the last few pages of this thread but I see race brought up nowhere in Polish Leppy's post. It seems to me that Liberals are of the understanding that the only logical reason you'd vote for someone other than Obama is because he's black. Rhode, the slaves have been freed... we owe blacks no more than we owe every other citizen. I plan on voting for Romney because I believe Obama has failed us. I don't care that he's black; I voted for him in 2008. Why can't someone not like Obama because they believe he's been a ****** President? If Polish did say that he doesn't like Obama because he's black then you can consider this me talking out of my @$$.
 
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Wrong on literally every point. We have our smartest and most temperamentally sound President of our lifetime, and you people continue to tell yourselves whatever you need to justify your delusional anger that you can't explain. Definitely not insecurity or racism, though. Honestly, these eight "points" are so utterly detached from reality it's as disconcerting as it is infuriating. If you want to hand the country back to greedy a-holes that wouldn't pee on you if you were on fire so as to make sure that a black man doesn't inhabit the White House, thats your prerogative. Tragically, your vote is worth the same as people who are capable of thinking. We get what we deserve. I'm still holding out hope that there enough people out here to save you from your own ignorance and stupidity.

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Do white Liberals feel the need to vote for Obama because he's black? Maybe I'm guilty of not reading the last few pages of this thread but I see race brought up nowhere in Polish Leppy's post. It seems to me that Liberals are of the understanding that the only logical reason you'd vote for someone other than Obama is because he's black. Rhode, the slaves have been freed... we owe blacks no more than we owe every other citizen. I plan on voting for Romney because I believe Obama has failed us. I don't care that he's black; I voted for him in 2008. Why can't someone not like Obama because they believe he's been a ****** President? If Polish did say that he doesn't like Obama because he's black then you can consider this me talking out of my @$$.

If Obama was green, I'd vote for him. My point is that the case against him by angry comservatives is so utterly preposterous that its hard to imagine a white guy being dragged through the mud in the same fashion. Race has nothing to do with why people support him, but there aren't many other good explanations for the vitriol that is directed towards him. The things that are said about him only have an audience because so many already perceive him as "different."
 

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Do white Liberals feel the need to vote for Obama because he's black? Maybe I'm guilty of not reading the last few pages of this thread but I see race brought up nowhere in Polish Leppy's post. It seems to me that Liberals are of the understanding that the only logical reason you'd vote for someone other than Obama is because he's black. Rhode, the slaves have been freed... we owe blacks no more than we owe every other citizen. I plan on voting for Romney because I believe Obama has failed us. I don't care that he's black; I voted for him in 2008. Why can't someone not like Obama because they believe he's been a ****** President? If Polish did say that he doesn't like Obama because he's black then you can consider this me talking out of my @$$.

I know you weren't talking to me but since we have had some fun back and forths, I thought I would respond. The problem with Polish Leppy's post is that it isn't grounded in any kind of logic. Look at his comments about Obamacare? really? Does he not know what socialized medicine is? Most of his answers are pure mean spirited and hatred for the President and any thing about him. I think that RI is pointing out that you can have a different opinion as RDU Irish and you but you guys use actual logical thought out ideas as to why you disagree not some crazy Fox News vitriol. That is all. I may disagree with you but I can respect where you come from because it is well thought out and logical (though I disagree). The question becomes if Polish Leppy can't come up with well thought out reasons to want Romney over Obama (well at least in that post and others) then where is the hatred coming from? Why the over the top hatred? I get not wanting to vote for him but the absolute crazy talk from some of the right is out of control. Well I am a couple of whiskies in so if this doesn't make sense just ignore.
 
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Do white Liberals feel the need to vote for Obama because he's black? Maybe I'm guilty of not reading the last few pages of this thread but I see race brought up nowhere in Polish Leppy's post. It seems to me that Liberals are of the understanding that the only logical reason you'd vote for someone other than Obama is because he's black. Rhode, the slaves have been freed... we owe blacks no more than we owe every other citizen. I plan on voting for Romney because I believe Obama has failed us. I don't care that he's black; I voted for him in 2008. Why can't someone not like Obama because they believe he's been a ****** President? If Polish did say that he doesn't like Obama because he's black then you can consider this me talking out of my @$$.

I get that racism isn't the reason why people don't want to vote for Obama but at the same time if blacks were made equal when they were freed then what was the whole point of the Civil Rights Movement?

Once again I get racism isn't the prime motivating force behind some white people not voting for Obama, but this urge to make it seem like racism is soooo far back in the past that it is now irrelevant is a thing that gets some non-white people (read:me) take a little longer to accept people's arguments against Obama at face value.
 

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