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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%

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    Votes: 46 13.1%

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    Votes: 130 36.9%
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Ultimate Penn St. Hater said:
The blondes on Fox and the brunette hockey mom don't have a clue.
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Agreed, but apparently you have a more analytical mind and are not going to lose your head when you see a pretty face spouting a carefully crafted oratory (sound familiar?), me, I've always had a hard head.
 
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Buster Bluth said:
I watched Bill Clinton's speech and laughed. Bill Clinton hates Obama and is not unfriendly with Romney. He actually respects Romney's economic record. I thought his speech was show business (like it all is) and a rather lukewarm embracing of Obama. I like Clinton, a lot; Obama is no Clinton. That much is obvious.
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Well I am glad you like Clinton because his speech was a breakdown of Obama’s policy versus Romney and debunking Romney’s attacks on Obama. Here is a breakdown of Clintons claims from politifact which says he did not lie once: (I know another "fact checking site")

PolitiFact | Bill Clinton's night at the Democratic convention

Clinton defended everything Obama did and destroyed all of Romney’s claims. Good thing he is “not unfriendly with Romney”


Buster Bluth said:
1) The federal government did a pretty solid job showing us in 2009 that it sucks at stimulus. Decent politicians can come up with policies in which the government takes care of X, great politicians come up with policies in which capitalism takes care of X.
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Yes in 2009 the stimulus failed that is why we are still losing 600,000 jobs a month. All failures should be so productive.

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2) We're $16,000,000,000,000 in the hole, if you didn't know. We can't afford many more swings that miss.

3) It was a $447,000,000,000 bill, with would "create" 1,900,000 jobs. That's $235,263.16 per job. Sounds efficient.
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Oh the debt is $16 trillion? Where does that debt come from? Lets take a look (yes another link, this time with a graph!)

Republican National Convention: The one graph you need to see before watching

Notice how little of that actually came from Obama. Also take note that those big blocks of colors are things that the republican VP candidate voted for. The biggest misconception is that Ryan is a deficit hawk, he is not. Ryan is a government reformer; his plan would take nearly 40 years to reduce the hole that was created by things he voted for.

That price is too high to pay to ensure nearly 2 million people get back to work? People who will be off of unemployment and paying taxes again, you know, generating revenue.


Buster Bluth said:
4) Of the $447bil, here's where some went:

Sounds legit...what does that entail?

Oh...nevermind.

Nothing says "economic revitalization" like handouts to hire more public employees. Wouldn't want to force local governments to live in reality, would we? Why renegotiate public employee contracts when the Feds can write you a big fat check, huh?

Awesome! A hand out to big union contractors! Feds hand the money to the states, states issue it to the districts, districts require prevailing wage, union intimidates district to win job union builds ****** high school.

No thanks.

More big union construction? Nice. This time, it's for roads. That'll get the economy flowing again.

We need to fix up privately-owned buildings so that nothing can go in them because the economy sucks. Gotcha. If a building has potential, the banks will finance it, no? Isn't that how it should work? Is that not working? Fix that, don't throw money at it.
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Extending unemployment and providing work education is bad?

$35 Billion to rehire teachers, firefighters and cops is bad? Who needs teachers, cops and firefighter’s right? What service do they provide? Did you know that if you rehired all the teachers, cops, and firefighters laid off because of cuts to social programs since 2006 unemployment would be around 6%. You think these people who trained to be teachers, cops, and firefighters should just get work in the private sector doing… what?

$30 Billion to build and modernize schools and community colleges is bad? Yes we need to build ****ing high schools. Modernize them and rehire teachers so that the US can rank higher than 32nd in math, 17th in reading, and 25th in science. Educating the next generation and giving them tools to succeed because China is kicking our *** in all three categories. How do you expect the US to last if you keep cutting education to pay for tax cuts?

I know you think spending money to hire teachers, cops, firefighters, and building and modernizing schools is bad so you are in luck because in order for Romney to keep spending below 20% GDP (without cuts to military like he promised) Romney would have to cut ALL social programs by 40%

(yes another link, with numbers and graphs) Romney Budget Proposals Would Require Massive Cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, and Other Programs — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

That means more layoffs for teachers, cops, and firefighters because government can’t create jobs, right?

Back to your “government handouts” we do not need more schools according to you, and we certainly do not need to modernize them, so why rebuild infrastructure with that additional $50 billion to those “mooching” unions. Everyone knows that construction is just a handout, that **** is cake. Look at that waste of space in Tampa that the RNC had there convention in. It was built by union workers on a government contract and it has not benefited the economy at all. Staples center is another example of a waste of space. Certainty the roads leading to them are not needed. Roads and bridges and building should just be allowed to collapse and deteriorate because that is good for the economy. Right? (sarcasm)

Buster Bluth said:
Huh?
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You were referring to this "Creating a nationwide, interoperable wireless network for public safety, while expanding accessibility to high-speed wireless services."

I will explain this to you. The US is still using copper wire phone lines. Countries like China, Japan, and Germany have replaced all of the copper phone lines with fiber optics. This makes the internet faster, and more efficient. This will also give the public access to internet while in the city. Making internet service available to millions of people who can not afford internet through wi-fi. The US tried going the private sector route when Clinton signed the telecommunication act of 96. The phone and cable companies promised they would replace all copper wires with fiber optics by 2008. They did not come through. Now Obama wants to have the government do it. This way we can keep up with countries like China, Japan, and Germany in technology. This also gives fast reliable internet access to inner cities and schools. You know, so they can keep up with the schools in China, Japan, and Germany which are all outperforming us. But you probably think this is bad too right?

Buster Bluth said:
Sounds awesome! Errrrr actually that sounds like more regulations that add to the straws on the camel's back which sound pretty hard to prove and only add to the arsenal trial lawyers (read: Democratic fundraisers) have to attack businesses with.
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Right because regulation is bad. Let’s see, Wall Street destroyed the US economy. The DOJ did an investigation and determined everything they did was legal. Here’s the kicker, had Wall Street done the exact same thing 20 years ago, they would all be in jail. Deregulation allowed them to gamble with tax payer money and crash the markets. You are right, things are better without rules. No one cheats. Right?

Buster Bluth said:
In the middle of a recession? Didn't Barry just tell me earlier: "He’s right. Normally, you don’t raise taxes in a recession, which is why we haven’t and why we’ve instead cut taxes. So I guess what I’d say to Scott is – his economics are right. You don’t raise taxes in a recession. We haven’t raised taxes in a recession." Still looks pretty recession-like to me.
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You are right, why raise taxes to generate revenue to pay off that $16 trillion debt you were bitching about earlier. Instead of raising taxes on the top 2% (immediately cutting a trillion off the deficit), Romney will give them a tax cut that will add a trillion to the deficit. How will he pay for it? Raise taxes on the bottom 80% of Americans

(yes a nother useless link, this one has a full detailed PDF report for you) Implications of Governor Romney's Tax Proposals: FAQs and Responses

Of course this is based on the Ryan budget and the Romney outline, because Romney has yet to release a detailed plan. Regardless, based on Romney’s outline, it is mathematically impossible to justify his tax cuts without raising taxes on 80% of Americans between $500-$2000 a year. What was that you said about raising taxes in a recession?

Buster Bluth said:
Can you name me some gigantic federal programs that were successfully financed and paid for the way the Feds told us they would be? When you can do that, I'll believe for a second that we'll have "savings" and whatnot. Until then, I'll look at their history of failure and lies, often called "projections" and "statistics" and best yet.... "facts."
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How about the stimulus? Here is another link looking at 15 independant studies. 12 of which said it worked and 1 said it sort of did.

The Romney campaign says stimulus doesn’t work. Here are the studies they left out.

That is 13 of 15 studies saying it worked. Less than 2% of the stimulus was wasted on "fraud". You can keep bringing up Solyndra because that is the only name you have. We can look at Romney's records of investment and see how mkany failures he had if you want to compare Bain and the stimulus.

Buster Bluth said:
But it's cool, you have websites. If the interwebz tell me, it must be true.
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That is right. I have evidence and studies and research. I know it is just stupid "interwebz" links to you but others may want to examine the differences between both parties policies. Who needs facts when you have your gut right? Here is my question to you buster. Why are tax breaks and programs favoring the middle and working class "government handouts" but tax breaks and programs favoring the rich and corporations not? How is the former picking winners and losers but the latter not? Lastly you never answered my original question which was, what policy did we hear at the RNC?
 
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Redbar said:
Agreed, but apparently you have a more analytical mind and are not going to lose your head when you see a pretty face spouting a carefully crafted oratory (sound familiar?), me, I've always had a hard head.
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I watch Fox mostly for comedic value. Michelle Malkin cracks me up.
 
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Jason H thank you for that post. You backed your argument with FACTS. That is something that I have noticed that the Republicans got away from starting in the early 90's. I am actually an Independent voter that leans left. I was willing to give Romney a chance, but I am still waiting for him to talk about HIS plan and not bash Obama. After Bill Clinton spoke at the convention it actually changed a lot of my friends votes who are Republicans. Their reasoning, he used FACTS in his argument. We need the Republican moderates to take back their party because we need reasonable people in Washington.

Plus please, please sometime in my lifetime implement term limits for Congress.
 
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According to Romney ads here in North Carolina today (during the game) he is going to create 350,000 in North Carolina. Good news for sure!
 
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JadeBrecks said:
I didn't see it. Any idea the sample rate?
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama remained ahead of Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney in a Reuters/Ipsos released on Sunday, maintaining a boost in popularity that followed the Democratic National Convention.

Of the 1,419 likely voters polled online over the previous four days, 47 percent said they would vote for Obama and 43 percent for Romney if the November 6 U.S. election were held today.

The president's margin over Romney in the daily rolling poll was unchanged from Saturday's numbers, turning up the heat on Republican strategists who were hoping for a more muted post-convention "bounce" for Obama in the wake of Friday's release of weak employment numbers.

"It means (Democrats) are on good footing going into the rest of the election," Ipsos pollster Julia Clark said.
 
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BobD said:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama remained ahead of Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney in a Reuters/Ipsos released on Sunday, maintaining a boost in popularity that followed the Democratic National Convention.

Of the 1,419 likely voters polled online over the previous four days, 47 percent said they would vote for Obama and 43 percent for Romney if the November 6 U.S. election were held today.

The president's margin over Romney in the daily rolling poll was unchanged from Saturday's numbers, turning up the heat on Republican strategists who were hoping for a more muted post-convention "bounce" for Obama in the wake of Friday's release of weak employment numbers.

"It means (Democrats) are on good footing going into the rest of the election," Ipsos pollster Julia Clark said.
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Did they ask the polled people if they were Dem or Rep and what percent of the people were each? The polls I have seen usually post it and they have been polling 9% more dem than rep. This usually gets Obama about a 3-4% lead. If I call 1419 people in Cali it will be much different than 1419 people in Indiana.
 
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JadeBrecks said:
Did they ask the polled people if they were Dem or Rep and what percent of the people were each? The polls I have seen usually post it and they have been polling 9% more dem than rep. This usually gets Obama about a 3-4% lead. If I call 1419 people in Cali it will be much different than 1419 people in Indiana.
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It would be impossible to poll 1/2 the population of Indiana :)
 
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So let me see if I have this straight then about R's...

Hate women
hate minorities of all kinds
hate homosexuals
Are religious zealots
Are greedy
Love only rich people
hate the poor
Hate the middle class
Want to regulate all personal choices/freedom
Are facist
want to get rid of govt
want to poison air, water, earth
Want to wage war with all countries
Is apparently the party of hate and intolerance and stupidity

Oh the media...
FNC all tea party racist sexist homophobic liars speaking only R facist talking points with absolutely no facts
MSNBC leans left but seeks the truth since they are news people
CNN is center but are fools because of it
there is noliberal bias

Did I miss anything?
 
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National numbers are meaningless. Anyone have any thoughts on Romney pulling out of Ohio and Pennsylvania?
 
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connor_in said:
So let me see if I have this straight then about R's...

Hate women
hate minorities of all kinds
hate homosexuals
Are religious zealots
Are greedy
Love only rich people
hate the poor
Hate the middle class
Want to regulate all personal choices/freedom
Are facist
want to get rid of govt
want to poison air, water, earth
Want to wage war with all countries
Is apparently the party of hate and intolerance and stupidity

Oh the media...
FNC all tea party racist sexist homophobic liars speaking only R facist talking points with absolutely no facts
MSNBC leans left but seeks the truth since they are news people
CNN is center but are fools because of it
there is noliberal bias

Did I miss anything?
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That about sums it up.... You killed it!!! Way to go, brah!
 
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Rhode Irish said:
National numbers are meaningless. Anyone have any thoughts on Romney pulling out of Ohio and Pennsylvania?
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One word....

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Rhode Irish said:
National numbers are meaningless. Anyone have any thoughts on Romney pulling out of Ohio and Pennsylvania?
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See my Politico post. I think Pennsylvania is nearly certain. Ohio...depends on the poll. The RealClearPolitics average is Obama by 2.2. Who knows.
 
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IrishJayhawk said:
See my Politico post. I think Pennsylvania is nearly certain. Ohio...depends on the poll. The RealClearPolitics average is Obama by 2.2. Who knows.
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Yeah, PA has been a fait accompli throughout, IMO. Ohio is a head scratcher. They must have some numbers that aren't public that is telling them it would be a waste. But I'm honestly shocked to see him pull out of anywhere considering the obscene amount of money they have to spend.
 
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