Politics

[ND NYC]

If someone wants to convince me to vote for Obama,


for some reason i just dont see that happening...

 

[BobD]

One of my childish moments:

I have to admit, the idea and controversy of having more than one First Lady is appealing to me.

 

[ND NYC]

National Voter Turnout in Federal Elections: 1960–2010 — Infoplease.com

I'm still astounded at the lack of actual VOTING in this country.

lot of talking...but not a lot of participation in our elections.

 

[Irish YJ]

One of my childish moments:

I have to admit, the idea and controversy of having more than one First Lady is appealing to me.

Nothing really new. Bill just didn't put a ring on his other ladies.

 

[BobD]

Nothing really new. Bill just didn't put a ring on his other ladies.

Some could argue that Hillary is more manly than Bill amd he was our first elected First Lady.

 

[Irish YJ]

Some could argue that Hillary is more manly than Bill amd he was our first elected First Lady.

True, very true. She probably pulls more girls than he does truth be known...

 

[Ndaccountant]

One of my childish moments:

I have to admit, the idea and controversy of having more than one First Lady is appealing to me.

I see enough LB's for 10 women.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I'm voting "other" this election, unless Romney chooses Marco Rubio as his VP candidate. It'll be more of a vote for Rubio and his political future than anything else.
Still, it'll be hard to cast a vote for a presidential candidate who has put the fate of his soul in the history a book that has been proven historically to have never happened.

 

[Bluto]

National Voter Turnout in Federal Elections: 1960–2010 — Infoplease.com

I'm still astounded at the lack of actual VOTING in this country.

lot of talking...but not a lot of participation in our elections.

This is the one thing I find most interesting. The 2010 elections were reported as a Republican/tea party mandate but can winning with a majority of some 30% of the total electorate be called a mandate, landslide or what have you. Here's another interesting thing. It seems to me that as the country as a whole has grown more "conservative" in it's voting people seem to think that it is going down the tubes. If you look at the Obama administrations policies and compare them to say those of Nixon, Nixon would look like Ralph Nader. Anyhow, I'm going to vote for Obama because the GOP has gone completely off the rails and if we get more justices like Scalia and Thomas on the bench this country is toast in my opinion (see the citizens united decision).

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm voting "other" this election, unless Romney chooses Marco Rubio as his VP candidate. It'll be more of a vote for Rubio and his political future than anything else.
Still, it'll be hard to cast a vote for a presidential candidate who has put the fate of his soul in the history a book that has been proven historically to have never happened.

You really think the earth is 10,000 years old and that Noah fit two of every animal on the ark and fed them for 40 days? You think Adam & Eve actually existed?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Anyhow, I'm going to vote for Obama because the GOP has gone completely off the rails.

The social conservatives certainly have, Romney really isn't one of those.

Does Obama qualify as "off the rail" when were $16,000,000,000,000 in debt and the economy is teetering on another recession?

But oh noes...some freakshows hate Planned Parenthood--CAN'T VOTE FOR THEM!!!!!!

Politics is silly like that..

 

[johnnykillz]

You really think the earth is 10,000 years old and that Noah fit two of every animal on the ark and fed them for 40 days? You think Adam & Eve actually existed?

BB, not only do I believe in God, but you and I live due to his grace.

Bless you brother.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

You really think the earth is 10,000 years old and that Noah fit two of every animal on the ark and fed them for 40 days? You think Adam & Eve actually existed?

I said nothing of the miracles of God, you're reading way too much into what I said. I said the Book of Mormon is HISTORICALLY impossible. It's been disproven by every discipline of modern science.

You don't have to believe that Christ turned water into wine or raised Lazerus from the dead, but you cannot deny that Christ was an actual, real, historical figure.

The people and places discussed in the Bible are actual people and places that have non-Christian historical witnesses to prove they existed. The Book of Mormon does not. Outside of the Book of Mormon saying it's people and places existed, there is NO OTHER historical account of it.

The Book of Mormon is 19th century religious fiction.

 

[Bluto]

The social conservatives certainly have, Romney really isn't one of those.

Does Obama qualify as "off the rail" when were $16,000,000,000,000 in debt and the economy is teetering on another recession?

But oh noes...some freakshows hate Planned Parenthood--CAN'T VOTE FOR THEM!!!!!!

Politics is silly like that..

I agree politics are silly like that. Its pretty clear that many pro life people vote against their own economic interests as well. Anyhow, I have no doubt that a rather large contingent of the GOP caucuss would rather drive the country off a cliff and into another recession than see Obama back in office (see the recent debt ceiling debate). I'm pretty sure that Federal spending as a whole adjusted for inflation is at much lower levels than it was under Reagan. I understand that the deficit is a problem. Thats what happens when you go to war twice in eight years and cut taxes at the same time. Anyhow, all responsible economists I have read believe that spending cuts need to be balanced with increased revenues ie taxes. Good luck on that one with the GOP.

 

[PJWhitfield]

I see a closer contest than 2008 for three reasons. First, Romney is not John McCain. Second, Obama has to run on a record and a sad economy. Third, the electoral college will revert to more traditional patterns (Indiana and North Carolina back in GOP camp etc.) Obama wins if the economy turns up by September or October. Romney wins if the economy stays in the ditch. Doesn't matter who I vote for or if I vote. I don't live in a state where the electoral college's outcome is in doubt.

 

[mgriff]

I said nothing of the miracles of God, you're reading way too much into what I said. I said the Book of Mormon is HISTORICALLY impossible. It's been disproven by every discipline of modern science.

You don't have to believe that Christ turned water into wine or raised Lazerus from the dead, but you cannot deny that Christ was an actual, real, historical figure.

The people and places discussed in the Bible are actual people and places that have non-Christian historical witnesses to prove they existed. The Book of Mormon does not. Outside of the Book of Mormon saying it's people and places existed, there is NO OTHER historical account of it.

The Book of Mormon is 19th century religious fiction.

So you're going to rip the religion of others while propping up your own and turning a blind eye to glaring errors, contradictions, and flat out fables in the Bible? Seems legit. Glass houses and all that.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

So you're going to rip the religion of others while propping up your own and turning a blind eye to glaring errors, contradictions, and flat out fables in the Bible? Seems legit. Glass houses and all that.

Lol..apparently there is something going around where people lack the ability to comprehend what they read.

I wasn't propping up Christianity, I didn't even say I was a Christian, you assumed that, the same way Buster assumed that.
I'm going to simplify my main point for everyone, ok.

Wheather it's religious or not, if someone or something is going to give an historical account of a civilization of millions of people, there are a few basic tests it must pass. Such as: where did they live, what language they spoke, where are the remains of this civilization, etc...

Now,the only reason I mentioned the Bible is to give contrast between the two, the Bible passes all the tests necessary to determine antiquity. The suggested miracles and wonders described therein is a matter of people's own faith. But, even if you don't believe in them, you cannot deny that the Bible gives an accurate historical account of the people and places therein.

So, for someone to believe in something that has been proven to have not happened, RELIGIOUS OR NOT, is stupid to me. It's not about me bashing the Mormon religion, it's about believing in a civilization that clearly did not exist.
If a candidate was open about his belief of Santa's workshop at the north pole, I wouldn't want to vote for him either, and that has nothing to do with religion.

 

[phgreek]

I wouldn't vote for Romney regardless of his party, mostly because I don't want the Mormon church running our country. Which is exactly what will happen.

...some of the elder statesmen around here might recognize this "echo" from JFK's election.."the Pope will have a room in the whitehouse"

Does being a particular christian faith make you more or less susceptable to the leanings of said faith's leadership simply on its face? What of Romney's conduct makes you think that would be the case?

Given Mr. Obama's brand of "Christianity" ala Rev. Wright, it would seem your fears are four years too late.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

I really can't care about the religion of the candidate, and I wish they'd just leave that out. Ever since Obama took office "christians" have become off the chain. Male christians are mysoginist, female christians are hypocritical, the whole religion has become a complete farce. I feel like if you want religion to dictate your country and way of life, you should move to Iran. Also, if churches want so much influence on laws and daily life they should pay taxes too.

I was raised baptist and I know my former pastor is spinning around in his grave knowing what religion has become in 2012.

 

[woolybug25]

...some of the elder statesmen around here might recognize this "echo" from JFK's election.."the Pope will have a room in the whitehouse"

Does being a particular christian faith make you more or less susceptable to the leanings of said faith's leadership simply on its face? What of Romney's conduct makes you think that would be the case?

Given Mr. Obama's brand of "Christianity" ala Rev. Wright, it would seem your fears are four years too late.

You guys are under the impression that Mormonism is a normal religion. I urge you to read about some of the beliefs of not only fundamental mormonism (not Romney, but the basis of their religion) and mainstream Mormonism. Some of the beliefs will down right shock you.

Things like tithing, posthumously baptizing people not of the mormon faith, their history of defying the US govt (the real reason mainstream Mormons don't practice polygamy), or how they feel that American Indians are jews that came to America before them and are being punished by god with dark skin.

Furthermore, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were rapists, murderers and child molesters. The religion has been an organized cult since it's inception.

@Mods - Delete if over the line of conversation you want on the board. But the question was raised, so I answered.

Grab a book on the history of their church and tell me that there isn't a difference.

 

[beryirish]

So you're going to rip the religion of others while propping up your own and turning a blind eye to glaring errors, contradictions, and flat out fables in the Bible? Seems legit. Glass houses and all that.

what are some?

 

[BobD]

If everyone remains civil, MOD's please don't delete the posts about religion as I believe this debate is very relevant to this upcoming election.

 

[beryirish]

If everyone remains civil, MOD's please don't delete the posts about religion as I believe this debate is very relevant to this upcoming election.

This is the best place for religion....along side a discussion of politics...

 

[BobD]

This is the best place for religion....along side a discussion of politics...

No, it's not, but they will be along side each other during this election.

 

[beryirish]

^^missed the joke

I thought the picture of people rioting and chasing and throwing tear gas at each other would give it away

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Mormanism is weird, Jeremiah Wright is weird, Kenyan religions are really weird, not considering yourself a "true American" until your husband is elected President is really, really weird, and belonging to a pot-smoking club in high school is exceptionally weird.

Now that we got that off our chests, how about people discuss how each candidate can run the Executive Branch for the good of the American people?

 

[phgreek]

You guys are under the impression that Mormonism is a normal religion. I urge you to read about some of the beliefs of not only fundamental mormonism (not Romney, but the basis of their religion) and mainstream Mormonism. Some of the beliefs will down right shock you.

Things like tithing, posthumously baptizing people not of the mormon faith, their history of defying the US govt (the real reason mainstream Mormons don't practice polygamy), or how they feel that American Indians are jews that came to America before them and are being punished by god with dark skin.

Furthermore, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were rapists, murderers and child molesters. The religion has been an organized cult since it's inception.

@Mods - Delete if over the line of conversation you want on the board. But the question was raised, so I answered.

Grab a book on the history of their church and tell me that there isn't a difference.

um, tithing is biblical ...

Look I was raised Catholic....not going to air our dirty laundry here because it serves none of our interests...but seriously dude.

Point is the failings of men within the confines of a specific faith abound...I give no earthy man domain over me for spiritual or other endeavors, so transgressions of "men of the cloth" neither surprise me nor shake my faith...in the least. I suppose Romney sees it the same way...or not. Point is, by definition, Christian faiths all have equal claim to the grace of god, and redemption through Christ...Honestly. What a faith is today, and the actions of its people are what drives me to evaluate them...and thank goodness most see it as I do...if historical conduct were to determine who was catholic...anyway, The rest is "noise" to me.

the other thing is...if faith drives one's vote here...you'd vote for a guy steeped in liberation theology, which is born of hatered, distrust, and anger, and systematically uses preferred status of freedom of speech and non-profit afforded faith based organizations as kevlar not as a light...but hell no, can't vote for the Mormon...Stunning!

 

[woolybug25]

So I take it you didn't actually look into it, then....

 

[irishog77]

That whole tithing thing is ludicrous I tell you...just absolutely ludicrous.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

um, tithing is biblical ...

Look I was raised Catholic....not going to air our dirty laundry here because it serves none of our interests...but seriously dude.

Point is the failings of men within the confines of a specific faith abound...I give no earthy man domain over me for spiritual or other endeavors, so transgressions of "men of the cloth" neither surprise me nor shake my faith...in the least. I suppose Romney sees it the same way...or not. Point is, by definition, Christian faiths all have equal claim to the grace of god, and redemption through Christ...Honestly. What a faith is today, and the actions of its people are what drives me to evaluate them...and thank goodness most see it as I do...if historical conduct were to determine who was catholic...anyway, The rest is "noise" to me.

the other thing is...if faith drives one's vote here...you'd vote for a guy steeped in liberation theology, which is born of hatered, distrust, and anger, and systematically uses preferred status of freedom of speech and non-profit afforded faith based organizations as kevlar not as a light...but hell no, can't vote for the Mormon...Stunning!

Every religion has some aspect that other people find hard to swallow. But, like Wooly said, you really have to research this one for yourself to understand it. The real beliefs of this religion is David Koresh type sh!t.