Politics

[Cackalacky]

Am I closer?

 

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[Ndaccountant]

 

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[RDU Irish]

Wouldn't be refreshing for Dem memes to be funny instead of just bitter?

 

[Cackalacky]

Wouldn't be refreshing for Dem memes to be funny instead of just bitter?

Even me being more progressive was left a bit salty after that event.

 

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[Cackalacky]

 

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[ACamp1900]

The last five or so are all gold... lol

 

[connor_in]

Pookie's Toons - page 1 - The Briefing Room

Pookie's toons...posted Mon-Fri

 

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[connor_in]

Versions of that show up all the time in Pookies Toons too

 

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[Polish Leppy 22]

That statement ignores the rather significant role the US has had in terms of creating the chaos that is modern day Mexico.

The role of the US as it relates to Mexico now can be debated. Doesn't mean it's legal or justified to drop off thousands of people across the border and say,"here take care of them."

with that philosophy I can't wait to go to the UK, demand reparations for what they did to ky Irish amcestors, then sign up for free housing, education, and health care. Sounds like a deal!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The role of the US as it relates to Mexico now can be debated. Doesn't mean it's legal or justified to drop off thousands of people across the border and say,"here take care of them."

with that philosophy I can't wait to go to the UK, demand reparations for what they did to ky Irish amcestors, then sign up for free housing, education, and health care. Sounds like a deal!

Moreover, go read the immigration laws of countries in South America. If you or I were caught there illegally, theyd ship our asses right back to the US. No questions asked.

#sendbacktheirkids

 

[Bluto]

So, none of that stuff is relevant to the US Mexico relationship or a discussion about it. The US has consistently worked to destabilize the Mexican economy as well as the governmental institutions in Mexico vis a vis drug consumption and or the war on drugs as well as through direct military intervention and economic strong arming. Now then, why is anyone surprised when Mexicans then wish to come to the US legal or otherwise? If you want to be angry about the current situation the US government and those policies should be at least one focus of said anger and a part of the discussion in terms of what needs to change. Frankly, repelling NAFTA and or requiring Mexico to honor it's own environmental and labor laws in order for goods or services produced there to have access to the US market would be a good place to start. Considering how destabilized Mexico is I would think these kids could have as good of an argument for amnesty as the average Cuban. Don't you?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So, none of that stuff is relevant to the US Mexico relationship or a discussion about it. The US has consistently worked to destabilize the Mexican economy as well as the governmental institutions in Mexico vis a vis drug consumption and or the war on drugs as well as through direct military intervention and economic strong arming. Now then, why is anyone surprised when Mexicans then wish to come to the US legal or otherwise? If you want to be angry about the current situation the US government and those policies should be at least one focus of said anger and a part of the discussion in terms of what needs to change. Frankly, repelling NAFTA and or requiring Mexico to honor it's own environmental and labor laws in order for goods or services produced there to have access to the US market would be a good place to start. Considering how destabilized Mexico is I would think these kids could have as good of an argument for amnesty as the average Cuban. Don't you?

1) You ignored everything I said.

2) Mexico sucks for a lot of reasons. The US and NAFTA fall in around numbers 223 amd 224 on that list. We still have NO responsibility for THEIR citizens and visa versa

3) Everyone has the right to come here legally. No one is entitled to amnesty. If you disagree open the Constitution and show me where I'm wrong. And I don't care if they're from Denmark or Honduras. Illegal is illegal.

 

[Bluto]

1) You ignored everything I said.

2) Mexico sucks for a lot of reasons. The US and NAFTA fall in around numbers 223 amd 224 on that list. We still have NO responsibility for THEIR citizens and visa versa

3) Everyone has the right to come here legally. No one is entitled to amnesty. If you disagree open the Constitution and show me where I'm wrong. And I don't care if they're from Denmark or Honduras. Illegal is illegal.

1. What you said was completely off topic and a bait and switch.

2. Actually NAFTA is pretty much #1 or 2 on that list. That policy destroyed the agrarian economy of Mexico(particularly corn) and displaced millions of Mexicans. Not surprisingly illegal immigration to the US explodes, the Mexican family and social structure in many places falls apart, an open and ongoing armed rebellion erupts in the form of the Zapatista's and narco trafficking explodes. So again I would say NAFTA is either 1 or 2 in terms of what has shaped present day Mexico (the IMF induced debt crisis of the 80's being the other) and it is that turd of a trade agreement (which has clauses stipulating that each country needs to enforce environmental and labor laws to be a party to it) that is at the core of Mexico's problems. As a party to that agreement the US does indeed bare some responsibility in the same way consumers who purchase illegal drugs do to supporting the Mexican drug cartels or people who buy clothes produced by sweatshop labor.

3. I already provided you with an example of making a case for granting amnesty as political refugees. Not saying it should be done but I would argue that there is as strong a case for grating it to these kids as there is to a Cuban who just happens to make it to Miami sans a Visa. So the argument then becomes should these kids be granted amnesty? If not why, given there is already a precedent for doing it for an entire group of people, Cubans.

 

[Wild Bill]

Refresh my memory, did Mexico agree to the terms of NAFTA?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1. What you said was completely off topic and a bait and switch.

2. Actually NAFTA is pretty much #1 or 2 on that list. That policy destroyed the agrarian economy of Mexico(particularly corn) and displaced millions of Mexicans. Not surprisingly illegal immigration to the US explodes, the Mexican family and social structure in many places falls apart, an open and ongoing armed rebellion erupts in the form of the Zapatista's and narco trafficking explodes. So again I would say NAFTA is either 1 or 2 in terms of what has shaped present day Mexico (the IMF induced debt crisis of the 80's being the other) and it is that turd of a trade agreement (which has clauses stipulating that each country needs to enforce environmental and labor laws to be a party to it) that is at the core of Mexico's problems. As a party to that agreement the US does indeed bare some responsibility in the same way consumers who purchase illegal drugs do to supporting the Mexican drug cartels or people who buy clothes produced by sweatshop labor.

3. I already provided you with an example of making a case for granting amnesty as political refugees. Not saying it should be done but I would argue that there is as strong a case for grating it to these kids as there is to a Cuban who just happens to make it to Miami sans a Visa. So the argument then becomes should these kids be granted amnesty? If not why, given there is already a precedent for doing it for an entire group of people, Cubans.

My points were absolutely relevant. You're dodging them because in principle you have nothing to stand on. The question wasn't why Mexico sucks. It was how are thousands of kids just being dropped off at the border like they're our responsibility?

They are not political refugees like many Cubans who are/ were being persecuted by the
communist government. Again all these kids should be sent home to their parents. If I'm wrong open the Constitution and show me how. Then I'll open other countries' books of law and show you what they'd do to us if we just popped in one day illegally.

 

[BobD]

There is something about seeing people who are willing to risk so much for a better way of life...... that seems so American to me. I seem to remember reading about people from Europe getting on boats, coming here and taking whatever they could. Anyone else read about this?

I'd imagine if we hadn't taken so much of the western United States from Mexico, we probably wouldn't have so many immigration issues.

Now you could take a "the past is the past" view on this if you'd like, but I don't think we should forget where we came from and how we acquired what we have.

It's only ok for us to do it?

We didn't have to follow the laws in the past, because the native Americans didn't have law's?

So many people (not all) screaming for tougher immigration laws haven't done much for this country, they were just lucky to have been born here.

I do believe we should have some.control over immigration, but so much of what I see and hear reminds me of spoiled children who don't want to share their toys.

 

[GoIrish41]

Give me you tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free ...

This is what America is ... one of the things that makes it strong and vibrant. Embrace the nation's history on immigration. We should not abandon our principles by turning inward.

 

[DSully1995]

Give me you tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free ...

This is what America is ... one of the things that makes it strong and vibrant. Embrace the nation's history on immigration. We should not abandon our principles by turning inward.

This is funny goirish, just seeing you stand as a man of american principles. Yes I agree, America is made better by its principle of immigration. However that immigration must be the result of chasing the better job/life opportunities, and not from seeking access to American social services.

I actually, this wont be popular, don't see the need for drastic immigration reform right this instant. These people came to the US with no intention for us citizenship, they came here for jobs. And as bad as those jobs may be (lettuce picking for 3$ an hour), its still better than mexico, hence why they moved.

Wouldn't making them citizens make them subject to minimum wage laws? that would be an experiment in how good intentions turn bad. Off-topic though.