Police State USA

[RDU Irish]

The bolded is a completely valid viewpoint.

With that being said, I would make the counter argument that the Justice Department and FBI exist to enforce federal laws. This includes ensuring that local police departments follow the Constitution and other federal regulations. There has to be an enforcement arm of the executive branch, there isn't another mechanism to ensure that all states and local governments follow the Constitution.

Given that fact, when local policing issues cross the line from being a general malfeasance or negligence to violating the Bill of Rights/civil rights/other amendments and laws I don't see how the federal government can do anything other than intervene.

Don't completely disagree with you here. There has to be oversight - its the process that sucks. Go looking for someone to bust after the officer is validated in his shooting of the assailant criminal who did not say "hands up don't shoot" - must save face, quick send in the feds to tell everyone how racist the police are! That will heal the neighborhood, put accountability on those lacking civility and move us to judging people by their character instead of skin color.

Which is why back at it today after another drugged up criminal is killed at hands of po-po. The criminal behavior is rewarded - just get up in arms over some mostly feigned outrage so you can go get some free shit and riot. Not a good look in the eyes of most normal well adjusted folks who are too afraid to say anything and get targeted.

Wouldn't happen if we still had 3% unemployment, IMO - idle hands are the devil's play things.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'm not going to post the video because it's sickening. Marquise Love, a BLM protester is wanted for attempted murder after several of his buddies pulled a white man and his wife out of there truck, beat them and detained them.

While the man was in his knees, Love kicked the man in the head at full kickoff speed knocking him out cold. No one knows if the guy is dead or alive or not. They then taunted his wife and dumped water on him.

Lovely people these BLM protestors are

 

[Legacy]

After the head of the BLM movement in Portland, an AA pastor, the black head of the City Counsel and the black Police Chief speak to the crowds about maintaining a non-violent protest against racism, then this:

Bat-wielding man terrorizes SE Portland businesses over Black Lives Matter signs, cops and shops say
Updated Aug 18, 2020; Posted Aug 18, 2020

A man wielding a baseball bat burst into several Southeast Portland businesses, ripped down Black Lives Matter signs and menaced employees and patrons alike, police, owners and the suspect told The Oregonian/OregonLive.

Police arrested Eric Michael Potratz, 36, in one of the Monday attacks and said he had been fuming over videos that showed a man being beaten unconscious near a Black Lives Matter rally in Portland the night before.

Includes the responses by authorities in Portland to the recent attack and video.
Alleged attacker of Portland driver identified, sought (oregonlive)

"Portlanders need to send a strong message that enough is enough. This is not forwarding the goals that are going to lead to better outcomes for people of color," said Portland Police Chief Chuk Lovell, who is Black.

 

[Luckylucci]

After the head of the BLM movement in Portland, an AA pastor, the black head of the City Counsel and the black Police Chief speak to the crowds about maintaining a non-violent protest against racism, then this:

Bat-wielding man terrorizes SE Portland businesses over Black Lives Matter signs, cops and shops say
Updated Aug 18, 2020; Posted Aug 18, 2020



Includes the responses by authorities in Portland to the recent attack and video.
Alleged attacker of Portland driver identified, sought (oregonlive)

"Portlanders need to send a strong message that enough is enough. This is not forwarding the goals that are going to lead to better outcomes for people of color," said Portland Police Chief Chuk Lovell, who is Black.

After 70+ days of violence, destruction, arson, vandalism, and anarchy. Good timing. Makes sense.

 

[Sea Turtle]

After the head of the BLM movement in Portland, an AA pastor, the black head of the City Counsel and the black Police Chief speak to the crowds about maintaining a non-violent protest against racism, then this:

Bat-wielding man terrorizes SE Portland businesses over Black Lives Matter signs, cops and shops say
Updated Aug 18, 2020; Posted Aug 18, 2020



Includes the responses by authorities in Portland to the recent attack and video.
Alleged attacker of Portland driver identified, sought (oregonlive)

"Portlanders need to send a strong message that enough is enough. This is not forwarding the goals that are going to lead to better outcomes for people of color," said Portland Police Chief Chuk Lovell, who is Black.

I'm glad they immediately arrested this guy who was yelling and tore down signs in businesses with a bat. Not cool to menace people with a bat.

Hopefully they'll take the time to arrest the people who actually chased, forced to wreck in a panic, detained then attacked and beat a couple senseless for daring to defend a trans woman from being beaten and robbed.

 

[Legacy]

Community leaders including BLM have been trying to get the protests back on track for weeks with the message that to the young white antis that they are "co-opting" the movement.

 

[Irish#1]

After 70+ days of violence, destruction, arson, vandalism, and anarchy. Good timing. Makes sense.

I guess it's like that itch from a mosquito bite that you try to ignore and ignore, until you finally had enough and decide to scratch it.

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ro" dir="ltr">A statement from our president Masai Ujiri. <a href="https://t.co/ykekTq53XM">pic.twitter.com/ykekTq53XM</a></p>— Toronto Raptors (@Raptors) <a href="https://twitter.com/Raptors/status/1296539480036384775?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This whole story was bizarre. From the initial assault on Masai Ujiri, to the cop lying about it even though he knew he was wearing a body camera, to the cops' supervisors backing up his story, to the bogus lawsuit the cop filed against Ujiri... to finally -- years later -- some vindication and justice.

Glad the body cam footage was finally made public. This is the kind of police bullsh*t that drives the distrust of law enforcement.

 

[irishff1014]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/poli...20200820-s563zjj4uzc2rcbprrruzalwaq-story.htm

Another terrible mayor and person in politics. SMH

 

[SonofOahu]

This is one of the disappointments I have with DJT. He could have asked for 15 or 30 minutes of prime time to address the citizenship and quell the uproar.

Bro, never going to happen. He has fully embraced the white supremacists and conspiracy theorists into his (your) party. Congratulations, you are now Nazi Germany. Literally.

You okay with that? You okay with the many "good people on both sides"?

 

[Luckylucci]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure whose job it was to make these.... &#55357;&#56489;&#55356;&#57224;<br>Just when we thought we had seen it all in over 80 days. <a href="https://t.co/9TxqT1tjlk">pic.twitter.com/9TxqT1tjlk</a></p>— Portland Police (@PortlandPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1297242620654006276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'm surprised we haven't seen the typical leftist feminazi types throwing their bloody tampons yet. When it happens, just remember you read it here first.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm surprised we haven't seen the typical leftist feminazi types throwing their bloody tampons yet. When it happens, just remember you read it here first.

What purpose does a statement like this serve? You're better than this.

 

[Bishop2b5]

What purpose does a statement like this serve? You're better than this.

They're throwing feces-filled balloons and assaulting helpless people. Me pointing out how disgusting and despicable they are isn't the issue.

 

[TorontoGold]

They're throwing feces-filled balloons and assaulting helpless people. Me pointing out how disgusting and despicable they are isn't the issue.

You can articulate your point better then calling feminists "feminazi's". That's high school level stuff, and degrading.

Do we know for a fact that it's the Left protestors? There's been reports of Proud Boys also joining in on the protests recently.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You can articulate your point better then calling feminists "feminazi's". That's high school level stuff, and degrading.

Do we know for a fact that it's the Left protestors? There's been reports of Proud Boys also joining in on the protests recently.

No, feminazi is exactly the word I wanted to use. This is what it describes and is quite accurate. This is exactly the type to be angry at the world and involved with throwing poopaloons and, as soon as they think of it, bloody tampons. If you've ever talked with one of them you know I'm right.

As for the bolded, did you really just ask that as a serious question? It's not the Proud Boys burning police stations, taking dumps on overturned police cars, beating old women, kicking defenseless people in the head from behind, or throwing feces-filled balloons. It's radical leftists, including feminazis. You should be much more upset about all that than a silly word.

 

[Legacy]

As a matter of clarification, the incident with the woman on the overturned police car was reported on May 31 and occurred in Salt Lake City.

 

[Legacy]

I didn't realize police could shoot someone slowly walking away from them and getting into his car at close range seven times in the back. Amazing they did not murder him. No weapon? In front of his kids? Can't use non-lethal methods? That's according to their training? I guess the policeman was "afraid for my life".

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/08/24/wisconsin-police-shooting-jacob-blake-orig.cnn

Still, let's see the body cams and if there was any weapon found. If this can't be justified, fire him and charge him.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I didn't realize police could shoot someone slowly walking away from them and getting into his car at close range seven times in the back. Amazing they did not murder him. No weapon? In front of his kids? Can't use non-lethal methods? That's according to their training? I guess the policeman was "afraid for my life".

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/08/24/wisconsin-police-shooting-jacob-blake-orig.cnn

Still, let's see the body cams and if there was any weapon found. If this can't be justified, fire him and charge him.

They can’t. They handled that very poorly. Even if there is a gun in the car, they allowed him to walk them into a situation that they have no option. They should’ve tackled him and cuffed him while he was slowly walking around the car eliminating the chance for him to get into the car. Smh. Training, good training, stops these types of scenarios from happening.

 

[Legacy]

They can’t. They handled that very poorly. Even if there is a gun in the car, they allowed him to walk them into a situation that they have no option. They should’ve tackled him and cuffed him while he was slowly walking around the car eliminating the chance for him to get into the car. Smh. Training, good training, stops these types of scenarios from happening.

There it is, again. No option but to use deadly force against an unarmed man. Officer discretion. More training. Internal investigation. No accountability. No community oversight. Union protection undoubtedly.

Because of all that lack of those possible interventions and systemic change, the only alternatives will be to fire him and try him for murder or manslaughter. The cop looked like he was balding. How much training do you think he needs?

Alternatives are limited to only firing and possibly bringing charges. To me this is worse than Floyd. In Minneapolis four cops dragged a bigger man than this slim black man out of a car, put him on the ground. In Atlanta, the cop could say the guy aimed a laser running away. This is more like the murder of Laquan McDonald in Chicago, who was walking away down the street.

Leave it up to the State Attorney and Grand Jury. Meanwhile, the fire once again and an expensive civil lawsuit.

 

[Luckylucci]

There it is, again. No option but to use deadly force against an unarmed man. Officer discretion. More training. Internal investigation. No accountability. No community oversight. Union protection undoubtedly.

Because of all that lack of those possible interventions and systemic change, the only alternatives will be to fire him and try him for murder or manslaughter. The cop looked like he was balding. How much training do you think he needs?

Alternatives are limited to only firing and possibly bringing charges. To me this is worse than Floyd. In Minneapolis four cops dragged a bigger man than this slim black man out of a car, put him on the ground. In Atlanta, the cop could say the guy aimed a laser running away. This is more like the murder of Laquan McDonald in Chicago, who was walking away down the street.

Leave it up to the State Attorney and Grand Jury. Meanwhile, the fire once again and an expensive civil lawsuit.

Have you watched the full version of the Floyd arrest? 4 men did not drag him from the car with the intention of forcing him to the ground. What happened was still very very tragic but there should also be some semblance of honesty.

 

[Legacy]

Have you watched the full version of the Floyd arrest? 4 men did not drag him from the car with the intention of forcing him to the ground. What happened was still very very tragic but there should also be some semblance of honesty.

I have. But interesting focus by you nonetheless. I suppose you think Floyd's death was just unfortunate use of police procedure and that the shooting of Jacob Blake merits administrative leave until he is cleared internally. Was Blake a suspect for some crime? Or just there to help defuse the situation and pick up his kids? The police don't have body cams there.

Somehow and someway we need to break the cycle.

Rinse and repeat.

Comment on the issue(s) if you wish.

 

[Luckylucci]

It’s a focus because you are being dishonest with the folks of this board that trust what you post by stating it as such. The fact that someone would knowingly mislead with their ‘interpretation’ of the video is beyond me.

The MSM portrayal, from those that haven’t watched the full video, is that the Floyd death was much different than it really was. It matters. It doesn’t make it any less tragic but it matters a great deal.

I haven’t gotten into the Jacob Blake situation at all.

I agree, we need to break the cycle. But that also starts with being honest about the cycle.

 

[Legacy]

It’s a focus because you are being dishonest with the folks of this board that trust what you post by stating it as such. The fact that someone would knowingly mislead with their ‘interpretation’ of the video is beyond me.

The MSM portrayal, from those that haven’t watched the full video, is that the Floyd death was much different than it really was. It matters. It doesn’t make it any less tragic but it matters a great deal.

I haven’t gotten into the Jacob Blake situation at all.

I agree, we need to break the cycle. But that also starts with being honest about the cycle.

I am neither being dishonest, intentionally misleading or bringing any interpretation to the Blake video. A thoughtful reply is always a sign of respect. Or call me dishonest again. If you were not aware of the Blake "situation", the video has been posted.

 

[Luckylucci]

I am neither being dishonest, intentionally misleading or bringing any interpretation to the Blake video. A thoughtful reply is always a sign of respect. Or call me dishonest again. If you were not aware of the Blake "situation", the video has been posted.

Legacy, no need to do this. You specifically state that Floyd was drug from the car by 4 police officers and put on the ground. That did not happen. And when called out you simply say, I wasn’t misleading about the other parts of my post regarding Blake. Unwilling to even acknowledge why this is being addressed. Maybe time to take a step back. This is not a good look.

 

[Legacy]

Legacy, no need to do this. You specifically state that Floyd was drug from the car by 4 police officers and put on the ground. That did not happen. And when called out you simply say, I wasn’t misleading about the other parts of my post regarding Blake. Unwilling to even acknowledge why this is being addressed. Maybe time to take a step back. This is not a good look.

What I remember when I posted was that Floyd got into his car, eventually got out, then resisted being put in the police car, was taken out of their car and subdued on the ground. I imagine but can't remember specifically if he was placed in the patrol car handcuffed, perhaps even when he stumbled off the sidewalk. The comparison I wanted to make was the way it was handled - non-lethal force vs deadly force - which is why I think the Blake shooting will resonate perhaps even more as far as police procedure, especially should Blake have not made it to the hospital. He was a much bigger man, and without the neck pressure that killed him there would have not been the outrage that lit up the country.

If my memory is faulty, that's on me. If you would react as I did if the posts and perceptions were reversed, that's on you. No blame attached if you are not familiar wirh Blake's shooting. Let's move on, brother.

BTW, I remember Portland as a place where you could get on a bus, the driver would greet you as passengers would him and both wished each other a good day on departure. Even had "Honored Elderly" seats in the front where younger people would get up from in deference to age.

 

[Ndaccountant]

No, feminazi is exactly the word I wanted to use. This is what it describes and is quite accurate. This is exactly the type to be angry at the world and involved with throwing poopaloons and, as soon as they think of it, bloody tampons. If you've ever talked with one of them you know I'm right.

As for the bolded, did you really just ask that as a serious question? It's not the Proud Boys burning police stations, taking dumps on overturned police cars, beating old women, kicking defenseless people in the head from behind, or throwing feces-filled balloons. It's radical leftists, including feminazis. You should be much more upset about all that than a silly word.

I can see it now....

Two girls, one cop car

 

[Irish#1]

I have. But interesting focus by you nonetheless. I suppose you think Floyd's death was just unfortunate use of police procedure and that the shooting of Jacob Blake merits administrative leave until he is cleared internally. Was Blake a suspect for some crime? Or just there to help defuse the situation and pick up his kids? The police don't have body cams there.

Somehow and someway we need to break the cycle.

Rinse and repeat.

Comment on the issue(s) if you wish.

It’s a focus because you are being dishonest with the folks of this board that trust what you post by stating it as such. The fact that someone would knowingly mislead with their ‘interpretation’ of the video is beyond me.

The MSM portrayal, from those that haven’t watched the full video, is that the Floyd death was much different than it really was. It matters. It doesn’t make it any less tragic but it matters a great deal.

I haven’t gotten into the Jacob Blake situation at all.

I agree, we need to break the cycle. But that also starts with being honest about the cycle.

I didn't realize police could shoot someone slowly walking away from them and getting into his car at close range seven times in the back. Amazing they did not murder him. No weapon? In front of his kids? Can't use non-lethal methods? That's according to their training? I guess the policeman was "afraid for my life".

The problem is your posts on this subject are almost always somewhat baiting and there is no room for any leeway in regards to your opinion.

Not sure why getting fired and standing trial isn't fair. Everyone gets due process, even policemen.

 

[IrishLax]

They can’t. They handled that very poorly. Even if there is a gun in the car, they allowed him to walk them into a situation that they have no option. They should’ve tackled him and cuffed him while he was slowly walking around the car eliminating the chance for him to get into the car. Smh. Training, good training, stops these types of scenarios from happening.

Yeah I think that this incident -- again -- underscores one of the major issues with policing in the United States. It's almost unthinkable that in other peer countries that cops called to a domestic dispute would end up shooting someone 7 times in the back for trying to get into their car. In front of their children, no less.

Police in the United States go through less training than in many other countries, and I think that routinely rears its ugly head when incidents like this occur. There is no scenario where with 3 officers and 1 unarmed person that properly trained officers should not have been able to subdue him without the need to shoot him repeatedly in the back.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Yeah I think that this incident -- again -- underscores one of the major issues with policing in the United States. It's almost unthinkable that in other peer countries that cops called to a domestic dispute would end up shooting someone 7 times in the back for trying to get into their car. In front of their children, no less.

Police in the United States go through less training than in many other countries, and I think that routinely rears its ugly head when incidents like this occur. There is no scenario where with 3 officers and 1 unarmed person that properly trained officers should not have been able to subdue him without the need to shoot him repeatedly in the back.

Agree. The answer isn't get rid of the police. Its make the police better.