Police State USA

[Wild Bill]

It is sad to see looters and rioters delegitimize the efforts of protesters, especially in the minds of those who do not yet understand and agree with the message.

I think the protests should not be asked to stop, but further organization is needed to separate the protesters from the looters. Have all streets cleared well before sunset. Make your protests an active thing -- no one should be simply gathering and wandering in an area, march or even just kneel in place. If the protesters are forced to be uniform in appearance (by action) then the looters will become more visible. And last but not least, but as I have seen in some cases, peaceful protestors need to continue giving up any looters or rioters they come across to police.

GK already touched on the issue here:

I have no doubt that the majority of protesters are peaceful and would never damage property or hurt other people.

HOWEVER, it is completely obvious at this point that the protests (in any form) are enabling looters, vandals, and people who are committing assault, attempting murder, etc.

The collateral damage is so bad right now that anyone with an ounce of goodness in them should go home and stop enabling this madness. The price paid in the name of the "cause" is no longer justifiable (if it ever was).

Peaceful protesters are running cover for the looters, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and that is completely obvious to anyone in the middle of this chaos.

 

[TorontoGold]

GK already touched on the issue here:



Peaceful protesters are running cover for the looters, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and that is completely obvious to anyone in the middle of this chaos.

In theory, would this not be true for other groups where they have a couple bad members?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

In theory, would this not be true for other groups where they have a couple bad members?

Like who? What group has burnt down a dozen plus US cities?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

ANTIFA is loosely organized and cant be blamed for all the violence.

Clearly written by a self anointed expert on organized criminal organizations.

 

[Wild Bill]

In theory, would this not be true for other groups where they have a couple bad members?

I'm not talking about theories. I'm talking about reality.

I'm not aware of any peaceful gatherings in support of police taking place much less that these gatherings are running cover for malicious police officers. That's what you're talking about, right?

The fantasy world that many have conjured up in their own, even if well intended, is disregarded by the masses when things like this happen. The people of Chicago have a front row seat and they see who is inflicting absolute terror on their homes, businesses and communites - no big brain theory or media lie will erase these events from their minds. These things are not in their minds at the moment. They're too busy trying to find ways to buy a gun and checking prices for homes in the burbs.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm not talking about theories. I'm talking about reality.

I'm not aware of any peaceful gatherings in support of police taking place much less that these gatherings are running cover for malicious police officers. That's what you're talking about, right?

The fantasy world that many have conjured up in their own, even if well intended, is disregarded by the masses when things like this happen. The people of Chicago have a front row seat and they see who is inflicting absolute terror on their homes, businesses and communites - no big brain theory or media lie will erase these events from their minds. These things are not in their minds at the moment. They're too busy trying to find ways to buy a gun and checking prices for homes in the burbs.

No, what I'm saying is, does the actions of a few bad people ruin the whole organization/movement?

What is the fantasy world? (If you're referring to the people that feel the need to latch onto to this movement to loot, then I agree with you)

 

[RDU Irish]

The actions of a few bad people absolutely undermine the whole organization/movement. Which is why the rioting, looting, arson, beatings need to stop ASAFP. Organize your march - watch the entire community support it. But have a chaotic mess and any normal human will avoid it and bystanders will be put off by the dangerous conditions.

 

[Wild Bill]

No, what I'm saying is, does the actions of a few bad people ruin the whole organization/movement?

What is the fantasy world? (If you're referring to the people that feel the need to latch onto to this movement to loot, then I agree with you)

We're not talking about a few people here. The entire city is being destroyed. The Lincoln Park Zoo was looted and animals are on the loose according to the police scanner. Just think about that for a second - that's the level we're at right now.

People cannot get food b/c all stores are looted or boarded up, you cannot get medicine b/c they are looting walgreens and CVS, medical professionals can't get to work b/c roads are closed and their cars are being attacked.

The big plan for today is to loot and burn down the "rich white" neighborhoods. So yeah, anyone with an IQ above 20 isn't really interested in the movement. They're concerned for their safety and way of life.

The fantasy here is that this has to do police reform.

 

[gkIrish]

Did anyone see the live interview on CNN with the Minneapolis police chief and George Floyd's family? It was one of the most compelling moments I have ever seen on television.

The police chief gave the most sincere apology I have ever seen a human being give. He was asked some questions by the CNN reporter and then when he was told the Floyd family had a question for him he took his hat off before responding. He spoke honestly and even said the 3 other officers are complicit in Floyd's murder.

I don't understand how someone can have hatred for "all police" after watching that.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

No, what I'm saying is, does the actions of a few bad people ruin the whole organization/movement?

What is the fantasy world? (If you're referring to the people that feel the need to latch onto to this movement to loot, then I agree with you)

If by organization, you are referring to ANTIFA, then yes because it is what they do/have done for sometime. The destruction is not being acted out by a minority of radical ANTIFA members, this is their organizational goal/objective. ANTIFA is a major, major problem. You need to separate the legitimate protests and organizations behind the protests with the organized violence that is happening now. ANTIFA does not care about Floyd or BLM. They use it as a cover to infiltrate and spread chaos, which is their goal. A clear example is them destroying minority businesses and neighborhood along with assaulting homeless people. Sure. Have other hate groups hijacked legitimate protests? Yes. Have they done it as successfully throughout the nation? With a precise strategy of organization and resources? No. This elevates the threat significantly and makes this group significantly more dangerous.

 

[Sea Turtle]

The actions of a few bad people absolutely undermine the whole organization/movement. Which is why the rioting, looting, arson, beatings need to stop ASAFP. Organize your march - watch the entire community support it. But have a chaotic mess and any normal human will avoid it and bystanders will be put off by the dangerous conditions.

Where is the black leadership?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

We're not talking about a few people here. The entire city is being destroyed. The Lincoln Park Zoo was looted and animals are on the loose according to the police scanner. Just think about that for a second - that's the level we're at right now.

People cannot get food b/c all stores are looted or boarded up, you cannot get medicine b/c they are looting walgreens and CVS, medical professionals can't get to work b/c roads are closed and their cars are being attacked.

The big plan for today is to loot and burn down the "rich white" neighborhoods. So yeah, anyone with an IQ above 20 isn't really interested in the movement. They're concerned for their safety and way of life.

The fantasy here is that this has to do police reform.

My God. I hope you are okay and be safe. What are the standing orders for the police?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Where is the black leadership?

Pleading for the destruction to stop. Atleast in Philly

 

[ACamp1900]

Huh??, the rednecks playing dressup didn't break any laws. They didn't steal or burn shit so why would anyone shoot tear gas at them?

And none of these folks in MN are getting shot while they are stealing and burning. Hell, they broke into, and then burnt a police precinct, without even a siren while everyone watched them do it live.

What happened to Floyd and Arbery was disgusting, and the folks responsible need to be punished. But there's way too much hypocrisy when looting and setting fires is deemed acceptable.

Was there any looting or fire setting when Timpa was killed in a similar manner to Floyd less than a year ago? Or how about when police AK'd an unarmed man crawling on the ground (per police instruction) begging not to be killed (and then police refused to provide body cam footage). Or how about when a cop shot an unarmed 10 year old while trying to shoot a family pet in 2018? More from Drayer (reps Drayer) above if interested, but I've included 2 vids below.

So why no looting and fire setting for those? Have you even heard of them? Wonder why? Let me know when you figure it out.


Timpa
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Shaver
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I just had a friend on Facebook share the first video without comment this morning,... he’s black if it matters. The comment section quickly became full of how Uncle Tom he is, any whites who chimed in had to be very apologetic (for what, not sure but yeah). Comments like ‘stop sharing this bullshit, this shit almost NEVER happens!! Why are we seeing all these videos now??’ Numerous claims of the video being racist,... even saw someone say the media is manipulating against BLM and the like because videos like this get out,.... let all this sink in. Straight up, people have lost their damned minds. There is no point in bringing up any stats or facts at all, like I said earlier everyone took the blue pill and is just emotionally set, for better or worse.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

In Minnesota, the narrative is that it is not minorities causing the damage, but "white supremacists". Yet there is no evidence of such from the news media, political figures, police ect. Just a narrative. Sad

There was looting about .5miles from my house at a shopping center. From what I could see, it was a mix of black/white/other doing the damage. No one group. Also based on my friends in law enforcement, Antifa is present in the Twin Cities, but no "white supremacist groups"

The Mayor of St Paul came out and said that "all of the arrests were from out of state". He later had to recant and say the vast majority were local.

Ofcourse. Because white supremacists are right wing. They dont want to confront or admit the reality that the white people doing this are left wing radicals.

 

[Bluto]

Peaceful protesters are running cover for the looters, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and that is completely obvious to anyone in the middle of this chaos.

I agree. This is sociology 101. Get a large group together in a heated situation and it doesn't take much for it to become an uncontrolled mob.

One would hope that all of this leads to a deep examination and an honest conversation as to why this cycle keeps repeating its self every few years.

 

[Bluto]

I just had a friend on Facebook share the first video without comment this morning,... he’s black if it matters. The comment section quickly became full of how Uncle Tom he is, any whites who chimed in had to be very apologetic (for what, not sure but yeah). Comments like ‘stop sharing this bullshit, this shit almost NEVER happens!! Why are we seeing all these videos now??’ Numerous claims of the video being racist,... even saw someone say the media is manipulating against BLM and the like because videos like this get out,.... let all this sink in. Straight up, people have lost their damned minds.

That sucks.

It has been interesting to me to see the increased militarization of the police being openly criticized by a number of conservatives in recent days.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/minn...nds-fed-investigation-into-organized-violence

Cities are publicly acknowledging that these are planned coordinated attack but stopped short of saying by whom. These assertions are based off evidence found during investigations of the riot scenes. Also believing that whatever organization(s) is doing this is using encrypted communications which explains the lack of social media chatter. Theyre requesting federal involvement in investigating.

 

[ACamp1900]

That sucks.

It has been interesting to me to see the increased militarization of the police being openly criticized by a number of conservatives in recent days.

The whole thing is surreal, the base common sense middle ground here is so easy imo but no one, literally fucking no one seems willing to even consider it. I’m honestly really pissed off at our media. They’ve fed this monster with bullshit for decades and now the monster is loose,... I don’t know how this resolves rationally

 

[Bluto]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

ANTIFA is loosely organized and cant be blamed for all the violence.

Clearly written by a self anointed expert on organized criminal organizations.

Having known some past members from back in my punk rocker days they spent about 99.9% of their time going to punk shows and drinking cheap beer. Then engaging in the occasional dust up with Nazi skinheads. Based on that I would say ANTIFA is very loosely organized.

I think what has changed is through social media platforms and cell phones anyone anywhere at anytime can pick up on where the action is and or organize an event/response damn near instantaneously.

 

[yankeehater]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Why would this white man give those black kids a brick to throw?” <br><br>People! WATCH THIS. This is what’s going on out there. <br><br>Please, be very careful allowing yourselves to be used by “pay to play” professional agitator Antifa thugs. <br><br>Non-violent resistance is our only way ✊�� <a href="https://t.co/Xczzhw6YZl">https://t.co/Xczzhw6YZl</a></p>— أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1267425005664600064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I read where there was pallets of bricks set up in Dallas ready for the protesters and the ones not aware were directed where to go.

I saw the quote on Facebook yesterday from George Soros back in 2014. If someone knows of it and can post? Basically, his comments were the African American community would be the easiest to manipulate to stage an uprising to destroy America!

 

[Wild Bill]

My God. I hope you are okay and be safe. What are the standing orders for the police?

Yeah, we're all good. They are arresting looters and have locked down areas downtown but they can't contain the spread - too many people looting and the area is too big to patrol. It's even spreading into the nearby burbs. I really don't know what they're going to do.

I agree. This is sociology 101. Get a large group together in a heated situation and it doesn't take much for it to become and uncontrolled mob.

One would hope that all of this leads to a deep examination and an honest conversation as to why this cycle keeps repeating its self every few years.

I'll save you the suspense. It won't.

 

[ACamp1900]

Bluto knowing Antifa members is even less surprising than Ulk’s ‘golden genital fascination’ admission,... lol

He and I would still have a great BBQ tho. I’m holding to that in this craziness as evidence to the country still being an amazing place.

I just saw the case for throwing out all stats on crime and police violence in favor of just shutting up and standing with any looters etc across the board regardless of what any stats may or may not say or support. Is this PC rearing it’s head or what? How are we so infected with ‘feelings’ over everything else?

 

[Irish#1]

It is sad to see looters and rioters delegitimize the efforts of protesters, especially in the minds of those who do not yet understand and agree with the message.


I think the protests should not be asked to stop, but further organization is needed to separate the protesters from the looters. Have all streets cleared well before sunset. Make your protests an active thing -- no one should be simply gathering and wandering in an area, march or even just kneel in place. If the protesters are forced to be uniform in appearance (by action) then the looters will become more visible. And last but not least, but as I have seen in some cases, peaceful protestors need to continue giving up any looters or rioters they come across to police.

GK already touched on the issue here:



Peaceful protesters are running cover for the looters, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and that is completely obvious to anyone in the middle of this chaos.

From what I've read and heard, most of the protestors are leaving and it's only the rioters that are staying around when it gets dark. The protestors aren't going to stay around and get their heads bashed in trying to keep things peaceful.

 

[ACamp1900]

Everything in this country went ape shit in a basket after koon was banned,... maybe a mod should reconsider before the zombie cyborgs land.

 

[Riddickulous]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An independent autopsy into the death of George Floyd found that he died from "asphyxiation from sustained pressure," which contradicts the county medical examiner's preliminary report <a href="https://t.co/s4pNycG5PE">https://t.co/s4pNycG5PE</a></p>— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) <a href="https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1267541844197543941?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bluto]

Bluto knowing Antifa members is even less surprising than Ulk’s ‘golden genital fascination’ admission,... lol

Lol. I've meet all kinds of interesting people in my travels.

He and I would still have a great BBQ tho. I’m holding to that in this craziness as evidence to the country still being an amazing place.

To prove that I am fair and balanced in my social interactions I'll tell you about the time I hooked up with this British lass who had a Swazi tattooed on her hip. Doing my part to smash Facism! Merica! Lol.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: White general manager of restaurant in Columbia, SC is knocked out & robbed for calling the police on mob attacking his workplace<a href="https://t.co/vIC0fbCtlC">pic.twitter.com/vIC0fbCtlC</a></p>— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) <a href="https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267303761745252353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now you know: when the mob forms out front, you pull your AR not the phone.
Sucker punching cunt deserves to be put down like the fucking rabid dog he is.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Bluto knowing Antifa members is even less surprising than Ulk’s ‘golden genital fascination’ admission,... lol

He and I would still have a great BBQ tho. I’m holding to that in this craziness as evidence to the country still being an amazing place.

I just saw the case for throwing out all stats on crime and police violence in favor of just shutting up and standing with any looters etc across the board regardless of what any stats may or may not say or support. Is this PC rearing it’s head or what? How are we so infected with ‘feelings’ over everything else?

Where did you see that? Do you have a link? Im curiouis to read it

 

[Circa]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

ANTIFA is loosely organized and cant be blamed for all the violence.

Clearly written by a self anointed expert on organized criminal organizations.

I call bullshit. Just look up bricks and explosives found at staging areas.
Who knows if it’s that group... It certainly seems to be organized with big money.