Police State USA

[Bluto]

I don't care who you are. You cannot run up and approach a police officer who is detaining someone like that. These guys are put in danger every single day.

Why don't we just give that police officer a toy lightsaber in this situation. And see if the 2 kids stop in there tracks and run away from the cop. Or would they continue progressing forward, towards the officer, potentially making the situation even worse.

Did it ever occur to you that this dipshit cop and his Rambo approach to law enforcement put every person at that scene including his fellow officers at increased risk?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Did you see him do a jump roll maneuver while he was chasing someone?

 

[nlroma1o]

Did it ever occur to you that this dipshit cop and his Rambo approach to law enforcement put every person at that scene including his fellow officers at increased risk?

Did it ever occur to you that Police Officers are trained how to use these weapons? Did it ever occur to you that you actually have to take the safety off the weapon ANNNNND pull the trigger for anything to happen? Do you have any idea how often an officer will draw their weapon to neutralize a situation safely? Did you notice that he had his weapon pointed down while it was out of his holster?

Lets just replace the guns with toy lightsabers and see how this goes.

 

[Irish#1]

Rule #1 Assess the situation.
Rule #2 More than one suspect? Call for backup.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So if I'm reading this right you are okay with a police officer escalating a "disturbing the peace" call by employing deadly force to subdue 4 - 5, 13 year old kids?

You overstated the threat by stating 'a police officer.' There were multiple officers. It's not like it was 5 on 1.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Did it ever occur to you that this dipshit cop and his Rambo approach to law enforcement put every person at that scene including his fellow officers at increased risk?

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Did you see him do a jump roll maneuver while he was chasing someone?

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Did it ever occur to you that Police Officers are trained how to use these weapons? Did it ever occur to you that you actually have to take the safety off the weapon ANNNNND pull the trigger for anything to happen? Do you have any idea how often an officer will draw their weapon to neutralize a situation safely? Did you notice that he had his weapon pointed down while it was out of his holster?

Lets just replace the guns with toy lightsabers and see how this goes.

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Rule #1 Assess the situation.
Rule #2 More than one suspect? Call for backup.

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[GDomer09]

Are you saying there are millions on incidents that are not recorded that demonstrate cops doing their jobs to the letter of the law or that if it is not recorded the police are perceived as always right? I think both of those things are true. However, no matter how crazy their jobs are, they volunteered to uphold the law and they should be held to account when they become part of the problem. I am not a cop hater, I am a hater of law breakers. Worst among them are the ones who use their positions as cops to get away with the same things they have been hired to protect against. This cop was clearly off the rails at the pool party and he made the situation much worse. He pulled his gun on teenagers. Nobody should be defending this asshole -- especially those that are seen in a bad light because of stupid asses like him. Cops have a hard enough job that they don't need idiots wearing badges and ruining the reputation of all cops. If they deal with the few instances appropriately and push these idiots off the force there would be fewer instances in which such nonsense would be caught on cell phone cameras. Unfortunately these instances are seldom caught on camera and are usually swept under the rug and the police protect their own, thus increasing the amount of distrust people have in police in general. The cops at the pool party who told the stupid cop to stand down are the ones who did the right thing. Defending the idiot because cops have hard jobs adds to the perception problem of all cops.

First yes this cop was running around acting erratic only God knows why. Maybe he has some mental instability. No excuse for how rough he was with her either, I'm with you. Re-evaluated Yes. Fired No. I'm sure I could go to your job and see a time or too where you fucked up, correct?

Now to your bold. He volunteered to uphold the law/peace. When did this police officer ask anybody to do anything out of the ordinary when called to the disturbance (sit down, go home). He was called to a disturbance, a fight. His first task is to get everything under control to understand the situation. People not listening, following instructions, crowding and resisting are preventing him from doing his job wouldn't you say? We see a couple clips of video here and there and we all become experts no?

Teenagers make up a large majority of gangs in this country so constantly identifying the people he pointed his gun at as so does not excuse them for coming up on him while he was trying to detain the girl. Was the gun over the top, I believe so, but again I'm not a cop nor have I been in a potentially threatening situation like this.

For all this talk of increasing distrust you would think people would be more likely to listen, not less? You know like out of fear of being shot.

Let's discuss one thing here that will solve it all. If a cop doesn't ask you to do anything damaging or that hurts you or anyone else why not do it? If it helps uphold the peace why neglect to listen? Isn't this the overall big picture problem? We all see the cop has issues, but aren’t the more clear issue the lack of instructions being followed and respect being given to authority? Unless your hiding something illegal follow the simple instructions no?

Lastly, everybody talking about training this more training that. What the hell would any of us know about what training is better or not for these officers? How can any of us sit here and even say these things without having a clue of the officer or the training he's already had? We can say all we want, but that doesn't make us right.

 

[nlroma1o]

Did you see him do a jump roll maneuver while he was chasing someone?

Are you serious? He clearly tripped while he was running... and rolled back up on his feet.

 

[nlroma1o]

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Im glad you bring so much insight to the discussion.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Do u even lift Bluto

 

[nlroma1o]

Do u even lift Bluto

Better not say stuff like that on here. A mod will consider it a personal attack. IEs gone soft.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Im glad you bring so much insight to the discussion.

No reason to restate what has already been so perfectly said.

Sometimes less is more.

You should try it.

 

[nlroma1o]

No reason to restate what has already been so perfectly said.

Sometimes less is more.

You should try it.

I typically don't say much on here as is. It's just hard for me to sit and read cocky internet posters bad mouth police officers when they risk so much. Whether we like it or not, police officers are a necessary part of society.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Are you serious? He clearly tripped while he was running... and rolled back up on his feet.

That could be. That's not how I saw it at first, but it's certainly possible. I still think he was a bit overly amped up, which is certainly part of the job sometimes.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I typically don't say much on here as is. It's just hard for me to sit and read cocky internet posters bad mouth police officers when they risk so much. Whether we like it or not, police officers are a necessary part of society.

They are. However police officers who are 'dirty' aren't. I'm not saying this guy specifically is. But with all the bad shit that's been happening lately with officers, there's big reason for concern as a citizen.

 

[Bluto]

Do u even lift Bluto

Only before I get in the ring with 14 year old kids considering they're such a threat to life and limb. Seriously, a well trained yard duty teacher with a wood spoon could have done a better job of disbursing that crowd than officer Blart.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yes, the 2 kids did seize up, but it may have only been because they saw him reach for his gun.

Young kids these days aren't taught that the Police are there to ensure civility and protection. The aren't taught that they need to be respected. Instead, the little brats these days get away with talking back to their parents, and they certainly think there is no consequences to not listening to police officers.

Really the only situation I have been in where there was an out of control situation like this was when I was in college and there was a huge bar fight. Like 20+ people. There was a cop there at the bar, and he called in back up. It was chaos and errbody be actin' a fool. I was a little involved at the start, but I came to and just dragged one of my buddies out of the fight and got him outside and we left. So to your dads point, hes 100 correct.

Do you know these kids? Or are you saying all kids are alike?

In my experience there is a HUGE difference between kids of any race that are brought up in poverty and those that are brought up in more affluent surroundings. The problem with this whole thing is that people are tooting and moaning about this whole incident like these kids were brought up in the hood. Some of these kids are the sons and daughters of doctors, lawyers, and other professionals that plan on going to Stanford, UC San Diego, Texas Rice Tulane, or Ivy. These kids are Carlton compared to the Fresh Prince!

So these kids don't act in a preconceived, pavlovian manner like rats or dogs, or any other animals. Do you understand my point?

 

[nlroma1o]

Do you know these kids? Or are you saying all kids are alike?

In my experience there is a HUGE difference between kids of any race that are brought up in poverty and those that are brought up in more affluent surroundings. The problem with this whole thing is that people are tooting and moaning about this whole incident like these kids were brought up in the hood. Some of these kids are the sons and daughters of doctors, lawyers, and other professionals that plan on going to Stanford, UC San Diego, Texas Rice Tulane, or Ivy. These kids are Carlton compared to the Fresh Prince!

So these kids don't act in a preconceived, pavlovian manner like rats or dogs, or any other animals. Do you understand my point?

I'm generally speaking about kids. I don't care what their background is. I feel that kids these days are ballsier than I can ever remember before. They have more self entitlement, and less humility than I can remember.

 

[ACamp1900]

I would agree with the above, outside of the context of the larger topic.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Because this doesn't happen to white girls. They have white privilege.

I am so glad you are kidding!

 

[Bluto]

I'm generally speaking about kids. I don't care what their background is. I feel that kids these days are ballsier than I can ever remember before. They have more self entitlement, and less humility than I can remember.

You should have seen the high school I went to. It was like a redneck version of that movie The Principal. People lighting books on fire in trash cans, locking teachers in closets and what not. When I was a junior I saw a rather large girl punch the guidance counselor (who was our Defensive Coordinator and pretty buff) in the jaw. I think he asked her if that was all she had. Lol.

 

[nlroma1o]

You should have seen the high school I went to. It was like a redneck version of that movie The Principal. People lighting books on fire in trash cans, locking teachers in closets and what not. When I was a junior I saw a rather large girl punch the guidance counselor (who was our Defensive Coordinator and pretty buff) in the jaw. I think he asked her if that was all she had. Lol.

See that's sad. I honestly feel bad for you bud. Those kids must have had the worst parents imaginable.

 

[kmoose]

Only before I get in the ring with 14 year old kids considering they're such a threat to life and limb. Seriously, a well trained yard duty teacher with a wood spoon could have done a better job of disbursing that crowd than officer Blart.

Except that a well trained yard duty teacher would presumably know the difference between dispersing and disbursing.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

No. But they can remove people for trespass. This was a "private" pool, for members of the HOA(?) and their invited guests (limited to 2 per resident). Security for the neighborhood had already spent time trying to get the crowd down to a reasonable size, with the kids just flat out ignoring them. So the officers had every right to order some of those people off of the property. I absolutely agree about the idea that the guy went overboard, though. I think that's a training issue. And how many times are we going to have to see training manifest itself in bad outcomes, before we start demanding a review of how law enforcement officers are trained? If you want to improve relations between citizens and cops, then start with training cops better.

Not true, exactly. Many of the kids had legitimate passes. Many borrowed others passes, which is not right. But already it is impossible in this situation for three officers to determine trespassing.

And this is a public pool in a community that requires a certain behavioral standard. That is why patrons have to apply for permits. Kind of like a drivers license. But the pool is public property, and it is a public pool.

Interestingly, no unsightly behavior was mentioned by any of the teens, until after the Section 8 housing comments (and more, the one girl, Grace was called some kind of lover.)

So it will be interesting. I could be wrong, but I think the original bad behavior that started this all was the teenagers being "too black," (Okay for the rest of you their were "too many" African-Americans in attendance, for the three or four svelte, super-dentured, one-generation-trailer-park-removed original adult complaintants.

 

[Bluto]

See that's sad. I honestly feel bad for you bud. Those kids must have had the worst parents imaginable.

Actually it was just the way the whole town was. The only things people cared about were beer, football and going to church (to ask for forgiveness I suppose). Many of those same knuckleheads went on to become pretty stand up people and ironically enough many work in law enforcement.

 

[Bluto]

Except that a well trained yard duty teacher would presumably know the difference between dispersing and disbursing.

Easy D Shans junior. Thumbs and a keyboard made for a Lilliputian are a bad combo. Lol.

 

[ACamp1900]

Easy D Shans junior. Thumbs and a keyboard made for a Lilliputian are a bad combo. Lol.

I'm gonna tell myself your arms were a bit twitchy after all the lifting you do.....

 

[nlroma1o]

Not true, exactly. Many of the kids had legitimate passes. Many borrowed others passes, which is not right. But already it is impossible in this situation for three officers to determine trespassing.

And this is a public pool in a community that requires a certain behavioral standard. That is why patrons have to apply for permits. Kind of like a drivers license. But the pool is public property, and it is a public pool.

Interestingly, no unsightly behavior was mentioned by any of the teens, until after the Section 8 housing comments (and more, the one girl, Grace was called some kind of lover.)

So it will be interesting. I could be wrong, but I think the original bad behavior that started this all was the teenagers being "too black," (Okay for the rest of you their were "too many" African-Americans in attendance, for the three or four svelte, super-dentured, one-generation-trailer-park-removed original adult complaintants.

We don't know what happened, but Bogs, come on.... of course most teenagers aren't going to mention any misbehavior in a situation like this. It doesn't matter if the kids are black, white, red, pokadot, or purple. Half the time teenage kids think what they are doing is all in good fun, but they might actually be disturbing other people. Many neighborhood pools are known to be hangouts, and the life guards turn into babysitters.

 

[kmoose]

Not true, exactly. Many of the kids had legitimate passes. Many borrowed others passes, which is not right. But already it is impossible in this situation for three officers to determine trespassing.

And this is a public pool in a community that requires a certain behavioral standard. That is why patrons have to apply for permits. Kind of like a drivers license. But the pool is public property, and it is a public pool.

Interestingly, no unsightly behavior was mentioned by any of the teens, until after the Section 8 housing comments (and more, the one girl, Grace was called some kind of lover.)

So it will be interesting. I could be wrong, but I think the original bad behavior that started this all was the teenagers being "too black," (Okay for the rest of you their were "too many" African-Americans in attendance, for the three or four svelte, super-dentured, one-generation-trailer-park-removed original adult complaintants.

Yes, exactly. No one disputes that there were more kids there than should have been, according to the rules. It is not a public pool any more than a country club pool is public. You have to belong to a certain group to utilize the pool. That group, in this case, was the residents of the "Craig Ranch" subdivision. Each resident is allowed to bring 2 guests to the pool. EVERYONE who has gone on record about it has acknowledged that there were way more kids there than was allowed. At that point, the HOA or whomever operates the pool has EVERY right to start asking some of the people to leave. If some white lady started a fight with a bunch of black teenagers, then the police ought to do whatever is possible, under the law, to penalize her. But there is no doubt that the management of the subdivision had every right to call the police for help in getting some of the teenagers off of the property that they were trespassing on.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yes, exactly. No one disputes that there were more kids there than should have been, according to the rules. It is not a public pool any more than a country club pool is public. You have to belong to a certain group to utilize the pool.

White People.