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I would expect the Pentagon to refuse any illegal orders to be involved in acting domestically against protesting Americans the majority of whom are exercising their First Amendment rights against racist acts. Americans don't go into the service to combat other Americans who may be their neighbors. Trump could fire Esper and any deputies who also refused a Presidential order invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act. The heads of the services could resign. Congress will probably introduce a bill to limit a President's power under the over two hundred year law. Trump would veto it.

Legacy, I love you bro, but this is disingenuous at best and flat out dishonest at worst. Trump isn't threatening to use the military against protesters who are exercising their First Amendment rights against racist acts. He's threatening to send in the military to stop looting and rioting. There's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference and intentionally conflating the two is beneath you and part of why we can't, as Americans who disagree on some issues, have an honest and productive discussion about what ails our country.
 

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The NG is basically the reserve of the Army and AF. NG members typically hold full time jobs elsewhere. The are under dual control though of state and fed unlike active Army and AF.

This is really a big nothing burger. We send are active military to "police" places all of the world.

ATL had a huge NG presence, and it worked extremely well. States should absolutely go that direction. No need for active after the NG was deployed.

Agree 100%.
 

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These looters in a Rolls Royce must be in a lot of pain over Floyd.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looters are literally pulling up in nice cars and cleaning out stores in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Soho?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Soho</a>. What <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Curfew?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Curfew</a>? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RIOT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RIOT</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LootingIsNotProtesting?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LootingIsNotProtesting</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GeorgeFloyd?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GeorgeFloyd</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NYCPROTEST?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NYCPROTEST</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NYCRiots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NYCRiots</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NYPD?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NYPD</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNewYork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NBCNewYork</a> <a href="https://t.co/DBnKsEqkpu">pic.twitter.com/DBnKsEqkpu</a></p>— Keith Feldman (@NBCproducer) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCproducer/status/1267660478811123712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Agree 100%.

Yep. It's just another trivial thing for some to feign outrage over. A very liberal Mayor used the NG effectively and immediately after the first night of looting. IMO, it was the perfect response, kept the peace, and issues were very limited. By contrast, some other cities like NYC are content to overwhelm their police forces and point fingers at each other.

Comparing the Mayors communication in the two cities is night and day. ATL's Mayor had me literally clapping when she gave her address.
 

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Cool, I listened to the whole thing, but used that article because of it transcribed it.

What exactly is Trump's position? This is a statement he made "If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them" Sounds an awful lot like he wants to use the Insurrection Act. Esper said the situation currently does not call for it.

I could very well be wrong (I know it's rare when I am, just ask my wife), but I don't think Trump wants to deploy any military forces. I think his statement was to send a message in hopes that it would help calm the situation. Like your mom or dad, when they yell, "Don't make me get up out of this chair".
 

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I could very well be wrong (I know it's rare when I am, just ask my wife), but I don't think Trump wants to deploy any military forces. I think his statement was to send a message in hopes that it would help calm the situation. Like your mom or dad, when they yell, "Don't make me get up out of this chair".

The difference is,,,,, back then, we as kids were smart enough to translate what the adults were saying and behave. Now the children look back at their parents, feign outrage, and say I'll call DCS if you get out of that chair. Or, they go to twitter and talk about tanks rolling down the street.
 

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With the prices of TV's so dirt cheap you'd think they wouldn't need to pilfer those.

Just had to replace one of my mom's TVs. 65in Smart Vizio for under 500 bucks. Was a lower line, but she loves it. I paid 1000+ for her old Sony 65in smart TV.
 

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I remember how much I paid for my 75 inch TV a few years back,... when I see how cheap they are now I’m just floored lol
 

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I remember how much I paid for my 75 inch TV a few years back,... when I see how cheap they are now I’m just floored lol

I bought my higher model Vizio 75in (I think P or M) smart TV about 4 years ago, and got a great deal (at the time) for like 1300. IIRC, model close out at Sams or Costco. Prior to that, a 65in for like 2000. I fixed that same 65in for 30 bucks myself a few years ago with a youtube vid.... Replaced the power board on it (ordered off ebay). Next time I'm back in Indy, will do the same to my mom's 65in. Can't believe how simple TVs are to fix these days. Really only 4ish core components.
 

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I bought my higher model Vizio 75in (I think P or M) smart TV about 4 years ago, and got a great deal (at the time) for like 1300. IIRC, model close out at Sams or Costco. Prior to that, a 65in for like 2000. I fixed that same 65in for 30 bucks myself a few years ago with a youtube vid.... Replaced the power board on it (ordered off ebay). Next time I'm back in Indy, will do the same to my mom's 65in. Can't believe how simple TVs are to fix these days. Really only 4ish core components.
If you can solder, you can fix a TV.

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It's the fault of the schools, the parents, the entertainment industry, and the media. They've intellectually neutered a couple of generations, creating a public that can be easily maneuvered and manipulated, and will fall for whatever narrative tugs at their heartstrings and tells them what they want to hear, versus tells them the truth. Try having a rational, factual conversation with most people. They can't. Their arguments are almost completely emotion-driven and devoid of any logical thought. Trying to reason with them is like trying to discuss calculus with a cat.


The bolded I'll fix for ya.
It's the fault of Government entities that include every bit of our 1 party system.

Schools and parents do what they're told, or do what Is necessary to survive... The entertainment has Zuckerberg and Jack written all over It.
 
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If you can solder, you can fix a TV.

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I have a 5 year old 55" TV that the back light went out on. Been waiting for the right time to take it to a repair shop to see how much it would cost. Probably would spend $100. It wasn't an expensive TV but I don't know what else to do with it. Plus, having two TVs on the wall of the basement might come in handy someday.
 

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If you can solder, you can fix a TV.

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I'd have told him the same thing... Soldier up boy! Put that cop uniform on.... You can loot, place bricks in protest areas, and get yourself a 70" Samsung on your way out...
 

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I remember how much I paid for my 75 inch TV a few years back,... when I see how cheap they are now I’m just floored lol

Me too. I just came across the receipt for the arm to mount my original plasma on. It cost me $799. Now TV's are half the price as the wall mount I had to use. Crazy!

I guess you get what you pay for. The Panasonic still works perfectly ($5000+) and every TV I have purchased since barely lasted over three years.
 
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The first plasma around here way back in the day was a 40" Pioneer and it was $19999. Lol
 

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Me too. I just came across the receipt for the arm to mount my original plasma on. It cost me $799. Now TV's are half the price as the wall mount I had to use. Crazy!

I guess you get what you pay for. The Panasonic still works perfectly ($5000+) and every TV I have purchased since barely lasted over three years.



Mine was 819.98, I bought mine at Wal-Mart tho. Lucky you!
 
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I believed GWB and Jimmy Carter were sincere, maybe I was wrong.

Everyone else, had very little confidence that church was nothing more than a photo op.


Are you implying Bush Jr. had a drinking problem? AA Is the only God he found.....

We could always argue OPEC and Al-Queda was his real religion tho.
 

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If you can solder, you can fix a TV.

You really don't even have to solder these days. You can get entire power and video boards off ebay for cheap. I can solder (It's been many years), but I'll pay 25-100 bucks for an easy component swap.

I have a 5 year old 55" TV that the back light went out on. Been waiting for the right time to take it to a repair shop to see how much it would cost. Probably would spend $100. It wasn't an expensive TV but I don't know what else to do with it. Plus, having two TVs on the wall of the basement might come in handy someday.

That's what's likely wrong with my mother's TV. I'll have to get into the TV to confirm, but I've priced out the fix as $15 to $80ish if that's what wrong. You can get the whole backlight sets for $50-80ish, or the individual strips for $15. If you want to post the model # of the TV, I'll get you links to the options.
 

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TV's anymore are basically PC's without the elaborate OS. Screen, motherboard and video card. Some motherboard have the video card built in.
 

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TV's anymore are basically PC's without the elaborate OS. Screen, motherboard and video card. Some motherboard have the video card built in.

Yep. I'd just add power board. It's the component I think I've replaced the most. I've had a few vid boards go bad, and most of those were the HDMI burning out (other outputs still worked). Over the last several years, I've become the PC and TV doc for friends and family. I've been building PCs for a long time though.
 

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Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti is cutting $150Mish from police budgets. BLM says it's not enough...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: It’s now racist to clean up graffiti. <a href="https://t.co/UzEKGoPaHq">pic.twitter.com/UzEKGoPaHq</a></p>— Digital Forests (@DigitalForests) <a href="https://twitter.com/DigitalForests/status/1268363871661838338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Conservatives aren’t mad because there are protests.<br><br>We’re mad because ALL OF YOU said we were evil for suggesting mere weeks ago that some things are too important to keep locked down. <br><br>Don’t remember? Well, lucky for you, Twitter is free and the internet is forever. <br><br>THREAD.</p>— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1268294779974094856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Remember when those rednecks went out to the Capitol and asked to have their businesses open and lockdown ended and they were characterized as reckless rednecks?

A whole lot changed in a week.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Conservatives aren’t mad because there are protests.<br><br>We’re mad because ALL OF YOU said we were evil for suggesting mere weeks ago that some things are too important to keep locked down. <br><br>Don’t remember? Well, lucky for you, Twitter is free and the internet is forever. <br><br>THREAD.</p>— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1268294779974094856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There's a fundamental difference between protesting systemic racism or police reform, and protesting a pandemic lockdown. If take out Antifa and the guys with Confederate flags from both sides, the core issues are really apples to oranges.
 

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There's a fundamental difference between protesting systemic racism or police reform, and protesting a pandemic lockdown. If take out Antifa and the guys with Confederate flags from both sides, the core issues are really apples to oranges.

Both are very real issues. It's not a competition. Is it not OK to protest the lock down when we know that a very large proportion of people will be financially crushed (including those impacted by systemic racism), and what doctors say will lead to thousands of deaths?

There's a lot of hypocrisy when you're OK with one protest, and not OK with the other. You're basically saying you're fine with potential loss of life caused by Covid when it has to do with racism, but not OK with potential loss of life caused by Covid it has to do with economic loss, rising poverty, rising suicide, etc..
 

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Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti is cutting $150Mish from police budgets. BLM says it's not enough...

Five years from now people will be complaining that neighborhoods arent safe and/or businesses are racist for not investing in certain areas.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Conservatives aren’t mad because there are protests.<br><br>We’re mad because ALL OF YOU said we were evil for suggesting mere weeks ago that some things are too important to keep locked down. <br><br>Don’t remember? Well, lucky for you, Twitter is free and the internet is forever. <br><br>THREAD.</p>— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1268294779974094856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yep. Protest all you want, I do not care.

But maybe...just maybe acknowledge that this went from "YOU ARE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND ARE GOING TO KILL GRANDMA" to "MUCH WOW. SO BEAUTIFUL. NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!" very quickly.
 

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There's a fundamental difference between protesting systemic racism or police reform, and protesting a pandemic lockdown. If take out Antifa and the guys with Confederate flags from both sides, the core issues are really apples to oranges.

When you call it a pandemic lockdown it really doesn't do justice to the destruction and impact of millions of peoples lives, families, and future. Especially, when looking in hindsight, a lot of the lockdown policies across the country were statistically unnecessary to be continued for months on end. Both issues deserve protest. Both issues are/were results of serious mishandling of issues by government officials that led to . When it comes down to the individual, millions of individuals, whose lives were being slowly destructed because of arbitrary rules...that deserves protest. There's no caveat to the right to protest that identifies issues by their perceived seriousness, thats what the right to protest is, the right of an individual to air out their grievances.

And the protests were allowed to happen for both issues. Its the media's response thats frusturating...the crowd that wanted to get back to work was identified as being recklessly spreading the plague with no regard for public health. That narrative dropped for these current protests...completely. Its not even an issue. And, on top of that, many of the political elite and media personalities who demanded that we stayed locked up for the public good did NOT themselves follow those rules, even when they were actually infected. The you follow these rules while we do what we want is what I think really got under a lot of people skin.
 

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There's a fundamental difference between protesting systemic racism or police reform, and protesting a pandemic lockdown. If take out Antifa and the guys with Confederate flags from both sides, the core issues are really apples to oranges.

You are right. One protest had a tangible goal. To lift restrictions and lockdowns.

The other is a broad effort with no tangible goal. Just a bunch of folks complaining (not wrongly btw) about police bias, brutality, (insert other issues with police).

I have no major issues with either protest.
 
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