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enrico got me thinking last night. If Russia (lots of natural resource capital) and China (labor/ financial capital) align, the USD petrodollar could be in real trouble. Particularly with regards to the United State's manageable and accumulated debt due to the strength of the petrodollar.

There are some good points here which also link to enrico's article sin post #358:
For now there have been no major developments as a result of the shift in the geopolitical axis that has seen global US influence, away from the Group of 7 (most insolvent nations) of course, decline precipitously in the aftermath of the bungled Syrian intervention attempt and the bloodless Russian annexation of Crimea, but that will soon change. Because while the west is focused on day to day developments in Ukraine, and how to halt Russian expansion through appeasement (hardly a winning tactic as events in the 1930s demonstrated), Russia is once again thinking 3 steps ahead... and quite a few steps east.

While Europe is furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy should Gazprom pull the plug on natgas exports to Germany and Europe (the imminent surge in Ukraine gas prices by 40% is probably the best indication of what the outcome would be), Russia is preparing the announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis. One which, as some especially on these pages, have suggested would lay the groundwork for a new joint, commodity-backed reserve currency that bypasses the dollar, something which Russia implied moments ago when its finance minister Siluanov said that Russia may refrain from foreign borrowing this year. Translated: bypass western purchases of Russian debt, funded by Chinese purchases of US Treasurys, and go straight to the source.

Here is what will likely happen next, as explained by Reuters:

Igor Sechin gathered media in Tokyo the next day to warn Western governments that more sanctions over Moscow's seizure of the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine would be counter-productive.

The underlying message from the head of Russia's biggest oil company, Rosneft, was clear: If Europe and the United States isolate Russia, Moscow will look East for new business, energy deals, military contracts and political alliances.

The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently now close after years of negotiations. If it can be signed when Putin visits China in May, he will be able to hold it up to show that global power has shifted eastwards and he does not need the West.
More details on the revelation of said "Holy Grail":

State-owned Russian gas firm Gazprom hopes to pump 38 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas per year to China from 2018 via the first pipeline between the world's largest producer of conventional gas to the largest consumer.

"May is in our plans," a Gazprom spokesman said, when asked about the timing of an agreement. A company source said: "It would be logical to expect the deal during Putin's visit to China."
Summarizing what should be and is painfully obvious to all, but apparently to the White House, which keeps prodding at Russia, is the following:

"The worse Russia's relations are with the West, the closer Russia will want to be to China. If China supports you, no one can say you're isolated," said Vasily Kashin, a China expert at the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) think thank.
Bingo. And now add bilateral trade denominated in either Rubles or Renminbi (or gold), add Iran, Iraq, India, and soon the Saudis (China's largest foreign source of crude, whose crown prince also happened to meet president Xi Jinping last week to expand trade further) and wave goodbye to the petrodollar.

As reported previoisly, China has already implicitly backed Putin without risking it relations with the West. "Last Saturday China abstained in a U.N. Security Council vote on a draft resolution declaring invalid the referendum in which Crimea went on to back union with Russia. Although China is nervous about referendums in restive regions of other countries which might serve as a precedent for Tibet and Taiwan, it has refused to criticize Moscow. The support of Beijing is vital for Putin. Not only is China a fellow permanent member of the U.N. Security Council with whom Russia thinks alike, it is also the world's second biggest economy and it opposes the spread of Western-style democracy."


This culminated yesterday, when as we reported last night, Putin thanked China for its "understanding over Ukraine." China hasn't exactly kept its feelings about closer relations with Russia under wraps either:

Chinese President Xi Jinping showed how much he values ties with Moscow, and Putin in particular, by making Russia his first foreign visit as China's leader last year and attending the opening of the Winter Olympics in Sochi last month.

Many Western leaders did not go to the Games after criticism of Russia's record on human rights. By contrast, when Putin and Xi discussed Ukraine by telephone on March 4, the Kremlin said their positions were "close".
The punchline: "A strong alliance would suit both countries as a counterbalance to the United States." An alliance that would merely be an extension of current trends in close bilateral relations, including not only infrastructure investment but also military supplies:

However, China overtook Germany as Russia's biggest buyer of crude oil this year thanks to Rosneft securing deals to boost eastward oil supplies via the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean pipeline and another crossing Kazakhstan.

If Russia is isolated by a new round of Western sanctions - those so far affect only a few officials' assets abroad and have not been aimed at companies - Russia and China could also step up cooperation in areas apart from energy. CAST's Kashin said the prospects of Russia delivering Sukhoi SU-35 fighter jets to China, which has been under discussion since 2010, would grow.

China is very interested in investing in infrastructure, energy and commodities in Russia, and a decline in business with the West could force Moscow to drop some of its reservations about Chinese investment in strategic industries. "With Western sanctions, the atmosphere could change quickly in favor of China," said Brian Zimbler Managing Partner of Morgan Lewis international law firm's Moscow office.

Russia-China trade turnover grew by 8.2 percent in 2013 to $8.1 billion but Russia was still only China's seventh largest export partner in 2013, and was not in the top 10 countries for imported goods. The EU is Russia's biggest trade partner, accounting for almost half of all its trade turnover.
And as if pushing Russia into the warm embrace of the world's most populous nation was not enough, there is also the second most populated country in the world, India.

Putin did take time, however, to thank one other country apart from China for its understanding over Ukraine and Crimea - saying India had shown "restraint and objectivity"
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He also called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to discuss the crisis on Tuesday, suggesting there is room for Russia's ties with traditionally non-aligned India to flourish.

Although India has become the largest export market for U.S. arms, Russia remains a key defense supplier and relations are friendly, even if lacking a strong business and trade dimension, due to a strategic partnership dating to the Soviet era.

Putin's moves to assert Russian control over Crimea were seen very favorably in the Indian establishment, N. Ram, publisher of The Hindu newspaper, told Reuters. "Russia has legitimate interests," he added.
To summarize: while the biggest geopolitical tectonic shift since the cold war accelerates with the inevitable firming of the "Asian axis", the west monetizes its debt, revels in the paper wealth created from an all time high manipulated stock market while at the same time trying to explain why 6.5% unemployment is really indicative of a weak economy, blames the weather for every disappointing economic data point, and every single person is transfixed with finding a missing airplane.

Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China | Zero Hedge

Russia has also made a $20 billion dollar goods for oil deal with Iran recently.
 
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Surprised this doesn’t seem to be a big deal.

 

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I was always taught going back to the 80’s of the absolute importance of oil being purchased in USD. When I heard the news the Saudi’s were changing that, I thought oh shiit… here we go.
 

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Huge deal, we won't feel the ramifications right away. With BRICS, and this US is in for a reckoning.
 

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I read this a few days ago and asked around and people just seemed so meh about it. I don’t watch much TV and don’t go surfing for much news but I haven’t heard a peep about it anywhere.
 

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There’s a reason they’ve been trying so hard to rebrand and diversify into things like sports. They know they’re fucked as global demand for oil begins to drop.
 

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I read this a few days ago and asked around and people just seemed so meh about it. I don’t watch much TV and don’t go surfing for much news but I haven’t heard a peep about it anywhere.
I’d expect that most of the well known media outlets will be keeping this relatively quiet during this election cycle.
 

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I have been hearing for a decade+ about de-dollarization, the death of the "petrodollar", etc. Heck, the OP of this thread is 2014.

Here is the truth:


Every single entity that has tried to go against the grain has categorically failed. Russia is crashing. Chinese banks that dabbled in "de-dollarization" came to regret it. BRICS is fake. I could go on and on.
 

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I’d expect that most of the well known media outlets will be keeping this relatively quiet during this election cycle.
Whys that? Tried looking on Fox Business and Reuters, couldn't find anything on the Petrodollar. Only news sources seem to be coming from astroturfed Indian news sources. Seems strange that even OANN isn't reporting on it.
 

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Whys that? Tried looking on Fox Business and Reuters, couldn't find anything on the Petrodollar. Only news sources seem to be coming from astroturfed Indian news sources. Seems strange that even OANN isn't reporting on it.
Why do I expect that it will be relatively quiet on the most of the well known media outlets? I said why….. because we’re in an election cycle. Not sure why you mentioned Fox Business, Reuters or OANN……..
 

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Why do I expect that it will be relatively quiet on the most of the well known media outlets? I said why….. because we’re in an election cycle. Not sure why you mentioned Fox Business, Reuters or OANN……..
Why would they keep it quiet during election season. I mentioned those as well known media outlets that are from a broad spectrum of political biases that have yet to mention this.
 

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Why would they keep it quiet during election season. I mentioned those as well known media outlets that are from a broad spectrum of political biases that have yet to mention this.
Maybe because it’s somewhat of a crapshoot on how the end of the arrangement will impact the global and U.S. economy. I agree that the media could use it to spin a narrative one way or another. I just don’t think they will try to spin this into a blame game unless we see notable changes in interest rates, the bond market, strength of the dollar abroad, etc. However, if we do see those things then I would guess the media will start to push it. It’s too early right now. I think they will keep it quiet until it manifests into something they can peddle to the voters. I guess we’ll see.
 

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Why would they keep it quiet during election season. I mentioned those as well known media outlets that are from a broad spectrum of political biases that have yet to mention this.
What the heck is OANN
 

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Maybe because it’s somewhat of a crapshoot on how the end of the arrangement will impact the global and U.S. economy. I agree that the media could use it to spin a narrative one way or another. I just don’t think they will try to spin this into a blame game unless we see notable changes in interest rates, the bond market, strength of the dollar abroad, etc. However, if we do see those things then I would guess the media will start to push it. It’s too early right now. I think they will keep it quiet until it manifests into something they can peddle to the voters. I guess we’ll see.
I think at a minimum the media would report it if it happened. Seems pretty strange that only Indian news orgs are reporting it.

Media orgs will take anything and push it, should be concerning to many that no one reputable is willing to report it....
 

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I think at a minimum the media would report it if it happened. Seems pretty strange that only Indian news orgs are reporting it.

Media orgs will take anything and push it, should be concerning to many that no one reputable is willing to report it....
It is interesting, no doubt.
 

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One America News Network……ultra-conservative news network. Mike Gundy took some heat not too long ago for sporting their t-shirt and their views.
Thank you. Had not seen it. I mostly get my news from foreign papers and podcasts. American media is almost 100% domestic issues all the time and many of them just don’t hold my interest.
 

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NASDAQ has an article on it. Idk if that's significant. I'll wait for at least some people to run around with their hair on fire before I care too much.
 

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I’ll concede the US Dollar has the momentum that other currency doesn’t. Trading in the US dollar makes sense informally but it’s still very worthy to note that oil countries and buying countries have options they once didn’t. Russia was taking Rupes at one time from India but then they were stuck with a currency nobody really wanted. It’s still a very worthy story to follow that nobody seems to care about. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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The thing about "common currency" is that it isn't a conspiracy or anything daft... it's born out of efficiency / convenience. It benefits global financial markets, financial institutions, and individual countries to have a currency that everyone accepts. It makes things easier and adds less friction. Once you accept that, everything becomes a lot less spooky.
 

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The thing about "common currency" is that it isn't a conspiracy or anything daft... it's born out of efficiency / convenience. It benefits global financial markets, financial institutions, and individual countries to have a currency that everyone accepts. It makes things easier and adds less friction. Once you accept that, everything becomes a lot less spooky.
Common reserve, yes. Common currency would be a big problem.
 

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Feeling like I've spent a career overseas due to the American politicians love of the petrodollar.
 
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