Paul Dee Resigned/Fired Watch

[IrishLax]

I think the NCAA has about one week to toss his *** to the curb and preserve any little bit of integrity they're still clinging too.

Maybe MMG should turn this into a prop bet......

 

[RyCo1983]

What an awesome thought!
I think he doesn't leave for a bit yet.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I wish I was wherever he is right now, so I could see what he is doing. My guess: lots of pacing and lots of scotch. Probably locked in his study (many leather bound books) with his lawyer/longtime friend. Cell phone off. Wife taking the kids to her mother's house. (Note: not actually sure he has a wife or kids, or if he has a study. But hey, it is my imaginary scenario.)

 

[phork]

I think he is already retired...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Jay Bilas ripped Paul Dee this morning on Mike & Mike

 

[IrishLax]

Every day he still has a job the NCAA becomes more and more of a laughing stock.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Every day he still has a job the NCAA becomes more and more of a laughing stock.

^This

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I like Bilas a lot. Sharp dude. Not a homer. Lawyer. Articulate...need more of his kind

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I like Bilas a lot. Sharp dude. Not a homer. Lawyer. Articulate...need more of his kind

^This also!

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Paul Dee was never employed by the NCAA. He was a member of the COI by way of Miami University. The real question is why was he on the COI and why hasn't Miami fired him?

 

[IrishLax]

Paul Dee was never employed by the NCAA. He was a member of the COI by way of Miami University. The real question is why was he on the COI and why hasn't Miami fired him?

If this is true, you just dropped some serious knowledge on me. Thank you. I had no idea. Wow.

Can't the NCAA kick him off the COI though?

 

[irish1958]

Do I understand this right? The guy who is to head the investigation of Miami for the NCAA is an employee of Miami? And this same guy was in the sport administration while this mess was going on?
This can't be right.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Pretty sure he is not on the COI anymore.

 

[BeauBenken]

Pretty sure he is not on the COI anymore.

IrishLax will be happy.

As should all of college football be.

 

[BGIF]

I think the NCAA has about one week to toss his *** to the curb and preserve any little bit of integrity they're still clinging too.

Maybe MMG should turn this into a prop bet......

Paul Dee is NOT an employee of the NCAA, he is NOT Chair of the Committee on Infractions NOR is he a member of that committee. He is the immediate Past Chair of the COI having stepped down almost a year ago. Dee is an attorney and teaches law related classes in two departments at Miami. He stepped down as Miami AD in 2008.

Dennis Thomas, Commissioner of the MEAC is the current COI Chair. Dee was replaced last September by Thomas as Chair. It appears that Dee stepped down last year (I couldn't find a cite why) and Thomas, a member of the COI, was then appointed to fill out the term as Chair. Thomas is a former AD at Hampton University and a head coach as two other schools.

There is an incredible amount of misinformation being posted on blogs and fansites that gets repeated on other blogs and fansites and assumed to be true. The majority of those writers don't seem to have a clue what the NCAA is, much less what the COI is, and what it does.

Here's a writeup on Dennis Thomas:

NCAA infractions Thomas: MEAC commissioner Dennis Thomas, the former athletic director at Hampton U., is chairman of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions - Daily Press



The NCAA Committee On Infractions is a 10 member committee consisting of 3 public members and 7 members from the NCAA member organizations (schools). They are all appointed to 3 year terms and may be reappointed for a maximum of maximum of 3 terms. A long time member of ND's Atheletic Department, Senior Deputy AD Missy Conboy is a current member of the COI. Brief writeups on the COI members can be found here:

Committee on Infractions - NCAA.org


A description of the COI workings can be found here:

Behind the Blue Disk - NCAA.org


A description of the NCAA can be found here:

Resources - NCAA.org

There are 400 paid employees at the NCAA. Out of that 400, some 2 to 3 dozen people handle investigations for ALL THE DIVISIONS of the NCAA not just for the 120 Division 1 schools. Small wonder investigations take awhile.

The NCAA relies primarliy on it's members, the schools, to self report violations for investigations. Actually it's a requirement (which Tressel and hence OSU didn't fulfill). Members schools not only can report other schools, they're required to (think Phil Fulmer and Alabama here).

It may sound dumb to fans, why should a school turn themselves in. After all you wouldn't turn yourself in to the IRS, would you? (But your ex-spouse might). The difference is the NCAA is an association where the members voluntarily came together, established rules, regulations, and bylaws AND AGREED TO BE BOUND BY THEM. AND, the penalties are usually worse when the COI has to did up the dirt rather then when the member institution self reports.

The 400 NCAA paid employees administer the associations rules and regulations. They provide guidance, perform investigations, hold hearings NOT trials, and apply penalties. The rules of evidence we all know from Law & Order don't apply nor do the rules of testimony you learned from Judge Ito, nor does the 5th Amendment because - it's a voluntary association. Also, and commonly misunderstood by fans, the NCAA does NOT have subpoena power. That's an inportant investigation power civil and criminal courts have. And one, the NCAA MEMBERS, when writing their bylaws, did not give their Administrative staff. That's why the NCAA frequently has to wait to get transcripts of public trials (Alabama/Albert Means), or civil proceeding (Bush v. his "agent") to gets "the goods".


Doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, accoutants and other professions have similar associations, the AMA, Bar Association, Amercian Society of Civil Engineers, etc. If you belong to one, you voluntarily bind yourself to that association's rules, regulations, bylaws, code of ethics, etc. They can censure you, fine you, expel you and their hearing don't have to follow criminal or civil proceeding because they conduct association hearings not trials. (I know this from my graduate Environmental Law course)

When a player leaves school (an NCAA member organization) be it by graduation (Reggie Bush) or the back door (Terrelle Pryor) they are not bound by the NCAA's rules because they no longer are part of an NCAA member institution. So they can't be forced to testify. Same for coaches and that's how Pete Carroll ducked USC's hearing, he moved on outside the NCAA world.



USC boards are currenlty in overload complaining about Paul Dee being the COI Chair and mishandling their case. If they can show improriety on his part in handling their case they may have something but Pat Haden knows what USC did. If Dee had broken NCAA COI procedure in hadling USC's case their attorney's (the Big $$$$ attorneys that used to work for the NCAA would have pointed that out on appeal. They didn't. Haden will grumble he knows USC violated the NCAA rules, as did Alabama under Dee, and as did FSU under Dee. They can argue that his house was tainted but it still doesn't change the rules they broke. There's no Mirada violation to get them off the hook.


If you want some more reading on NCAA Enforcement, try this:

Enforcement exercise shows process - NCAA.com

 

[JDAtlanta]

I wish I was wherever he is right now, so I could see what he is doing. My guess: lots of pacing and lots of scotch. Probably locked in his study (many leather bound books) with his lawyer/longtime friend. Cell phone off. Wife taking the kids to her mother's house. (Note: not actually sure he has a wife or kids, or if he has a study. But hey, it is my imaginary scenario.)

Are they still making white Ford Bronco's?

 

[IrishLax]

Paul Dee is NOT an employee of the NCAA, he is NOT Chair of the Committee on Infractions NOR is he a member of that committee. He is the immediate Past Chair of the COI having stepped down almost a year ago. Dee is an attorney and teaches law related classes in two departments at Miami. He stepped down as Miami AD in 2008.

Dennis Thomas, Commissioner of the MEAC is the current COI Chair. Dee was replaced last September by Thomas as Chair. It appears that Dee stepped down last year (I couldn't find a cite why) and Thomas, a member of the COI, was then appointed to fill out the term as Chair. Thomas is a former AD at Hampton University and a head coach as two other schools.

There is an incredible amount of misinformation being posted on blogs and fansites that gets repeated on other blogs and fansites and assumed to be true. The majority of those writers don't seem to have a clue what the NCAA is, much less what the COI is, and what it does.

Here's a writeup on Dennis Thomas:

NCAA infractions Thomas: MEAC commissioner Dennis Thomas, the former athletic director at Hampton U., is chairman of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions - Daily Press



The NCAA Committee On Infractions is a 10 member committee consisting of 3 public members and 7 members from the NCAA member organizations (schools). They are all appointed to 3 year terms and may be reappointed for a maximum of maximum of 3 terms. A long time member of ND's Atheletic Department, Senior Deputy AD Missy Conboy is a current member of the COI. Brief writeups on the COI members can be found here:

Committee on Infractions - NCAA.org


A description of the COI workings can be found here:

Behind the Blue Disk - NCAA.org


A description of the NCAA can be found here:

Resources - NCAA.org

There are 400 paid employees at the NCAA. Out of that 400, some 2 to 3 dozen people handle investigations for ALL THE DIVISIONS of the NCAA not just for the 120 Division 1 schools. Small wonder investigations take awhile.

The NCAA relies primarliy on it's members, the schools, to self report violations for investigations. Actually it's a requirement (which Tressel and hence OSU didn't fulfill). Members schools not only can report other schools, they're required to (think Phil Fulmer and Alabama here).

It may sound dumb to fans, why should a school turn themselves in. After all you wouldn't turn yourself in to the IRS, would you? (But your ex-spouse might). The difference is the NCAA is an association where the members voluntarily came together, established rules, regulations, and bylaws AND AGREED TO BE BOUND BY THEM. AND, the penalties are usually worse when the COI has to did up the dirt rather then when the member institution self reports.

The 400 NCAA paid employees administer the associations rules and regulations. They provide guidance, perform investigations, hold hearings NOT trials, and apply penalties. The rules of evidence we all know from Law & Order don't apply nor do the rules of testimony you learned from Judge Ito, nor does the 5th Amendment because - it's a voluntary association. Also, and commonly misunderstood by fans, the NCAA does NOT have subpoena power. That's an inportant investigation power civil and criminal courts have. And one, the NCAA MEMBERS, when writing their bylaws, did not give their Administrative staff. That's why the NCAA frequently has to wait to get transcripts of public trials (Alabama/Albert Means), or civil proceeding (Bush v. his "agent") to gets "the goods".


Doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, accoutants and other professions have similar associations, the AMA, Bar Association, Amercian Society of Civil Engineers, etc. If you belong to one, you voluntarily bind yourself to that association's rules, regulations, bylaws, code of ethics, etc. They can censure you, fine you, expel you and their hearing don't have to follow criminal or civil proceeding because they conduct association hearings not trials. (I know this from my graduate Environmental Law course)

When a player leaves school (an NCAA member organization) be it by graduation (Reggie Bush) or the back door (Terrelle Pryor) they are not bound by the NCAA's rules because they no longer are part of an NCAA member institution. So they can't be forced to testify. Same for coaches and that's how Pete Carroll ducked USC's hearing, he moved on outside the NCAA world.



USC boards are currenlty in overload complaining about Paul Dee being the COI Chair and mishandling their case. If they can show improriety on his part in handling their case they may have something but Pat Haden knows what USC did. If Dee had broken NCAA COI procedure in hadling USC's case their attorney's (the Big $$$$ attorneys that used to work for the NCAA would have pointed that out on appeal. They didn't. Haden will grumble he knows USC violated the NCAA rules, as did Alabama under Dee, and as did FSU under Dee. They can argue that his house was tainted but it still doesn't change the rules they broke. There's no Mirada violation to get them off the hook.


If you want some more reading on NCAA Enforcement, try this:

Enforcement exercise shows process - NCAA.com

Carlisle Holiday beat you to the correction party, but thanks for all of the specific info. You're correct that there is an abundance of misinformation around... whether it be on the internet, radio or even ESPN who listed Paul Dee as the COI Chair when playing some quotes from him when the story broke.

 

[irishog77]

Good stuff, BGIF. Thanks for sharing.

 

[BeauBenken]

Damn...TL;DR.

Although I got all the info I needed from the first few sentences.

Nice informative post, as always, BGIF.

 

[ND NYC]

nothing against BGIF (great info thanks!) but its a sad day when espn has it all wrong and our very own BGIF has all the facts on this.

espn is a bigger joke than the ncaa

 

[Whiskeyjack]

nothing against BGIF (great info thanks!) but its a sad day when espn has it all wrong and our very own BGIF has all the facts on this.

espn is a bigger joke than the ncaa

Most days are sad then.

 

[RyCo1983]

Most days are sad then.

Agreed...ESPN is awful. Shoddy reporting...outdated stories as breaking news...poor journalism and an extremely biased viewpoint.