Oversigning Recruits

[TerryTate]

The 10 Worst College Football Teams for Oversigning Recruits | Bleacher Report

I figured stuff like this was going on, but I didn't realize it was this rampant.

 

[NDinL.A.]

It's a huge problem Tate. The SEC is notorious for it. Alabama (obviously) is the worst...they find ways to get rid of players so the next batch can come in. But nobody says boo about it to them, and Saban completely gets away with it.

The surprise team team was my favorite local team, UCLA. #4? Wow, SlickRick, I've been backing you up, trying to buy you time, but that's not cool...

 

[Junkhead]

Way to go SEC!

 

[Ben E.]

7 out of the top 10 SEC! furthering the view that in the SEC you are not a student athlete but a minor league football player! slip up and get cut!!

 

[mgriff]

The NCAA needs to fix this. Now. Well we don't know why it is becoming more professional and commercial. De de deeeee! It makes me sick to my stomach that they compromise education for money.

 

[Ben E.]

The NCAA needs to fix this. Now. Well we don't know why it is becoming more professional and commercial. De de deeeee! It makes me sick to my stomach that they compromise education for money.

it realy is crazy!

Saban to recruit: son i want you to come to Bama to play football for the tide and get an college education! unless you dont play well or you get hurt then screw your education!

hahha just crazy

 

[irishfan]

Great site all about oversigning. They're pretty tough on the bigger schools as well.

Oversigning.com

 

[irishfan]

Here's a story about Bama's "March to 85"

The March to 85 – Star Jackson « Oversigning.com

 

[Ben E.]

Here's a story about Bama's "March to 85"

The March to 85 – Star Jackson « Oversigning.com

great read!!! the comments by bama fans defending slick nicky are great!!!

 

[Kansas_Domer]

Just one more reason to hate Ron Prince. He left K-State's athletic dept in shambles, and nearly put us on probation. All for 2 wins over texas in 3 years.


Bastard. Long live Snyder.

 

[ACamp1900]

The comments on these boards from Bama fans are hysterical... Bama never does anything wrong... validate EVERYTHING... seriously, they must know deep down how unethical it is to have a kid sign a contract to your school that states you will give them a degree as long as they go to class, make the grades and play football...

THEN when spring football comes around the coach evalutes the team... is eight players over teh limit and just dumps whoever doesn't make the grade TALENT wise... the NCAA suffered from a lack of imagination here otherwise they would have direct lwas against this... but leave it to Bama to find a loop hole like this... Bama can't even add (see their title count) but they can scour the NCAA by-laws line by line to find a way to cheat at football without putting themselves in danger of more probation... typical crook behavior

S.C.U.M.

 

[BDIrish4ever]

NCAA, bring back the four year scholarship and enforce your existing rules!!! Are you about football or education??? I am so sick and tired of crap like this going on and nobody does anything about it. The NCAA to start cracking down on this right now or stop calling themselves a "governing body".

 

[irishfan]

Nice in-depth look comparing ND and Alabama and oversigning recruits.

Oversigning.com

 

[Legacy]

"Miles is a bad guy, but he's a bad guy with the official approval of the NCAA.

So I guess I'm calling the NCAA a bad guy as well. But that fits, seeing how the NCAA won't let college prospects eat a cheeseburger under certain conditions -- but will let Isiah Thomas be on the New York Knicks' payroll as a consultant while also coaching the Florida International basketball team. The NCAA is made up of a lot of people, men and women, who are smart and kind and classy -- but as a whole, the NCAA is full of crap."

Bad guys utilize over-signing, and it has to stop - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

i didnt read the article, but i get the gist just by looking at the posts.

I think its funny how Saban comes out talking about they need to solve the agent/student athlete problem- bootleg agents, etc.... which IS a problem. But he seemed to come of high and mighty and moral like he was going to solve all college athlete issues----- and then you hear about this article.....

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

saban=tool, he will get his

 

[mgriff]

I hate reading these, it makes me realize how fucked up our society is, as a whole.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

saban=tool, he will get his

yes he is, and no he wont.

Schemers always scheme.

 

[JughedJones]

"113 kids is 28 over the limit, which equates to having a whole separate recruiting class signed to your school."


How is this even allowed to go on? It borders on illegal.

You sign a kid, promise them an education, in many cases move them far away from home and their support groups, then cut them and pull their scholly a year or two down the road.

You shouldn't be able to do that to kids. To hell with unethical this seems like fraud to me.

 

[JDAtlanta]

I am surprised this wasn't touched on in that glowing infomercial on ESPN. oh, I guess I am not surprised.

 

[BGIF]

Which brings me back to Les Miles, who's so full of crap he needs a full-body enema. A bad guy, I'm telling you, and in a minute I'll tell you why. And when I'm done, you'll agree with me.

...

All I know for sure is this: Les Miles is a bad guy.

...

It's indefensible, and it ought to be illegal. Next time it happens, I don't want to call Les Miles a bad man.

I want to call him a cheater.

This writer needs to stop being so tactful and let it out.

 

[rocket31]

The comments on these boards from Bama fans are hysterical... Bama never does anything wrong... validate EVERYTHING... seriously, they must know deep down how unethical it is to have a kid sign a contract to your school that states you will give them a degree as long as they go to class, make the grades and play football...

...that is not how an athletic scholarship works. ALL athletic scholarships are 1 year contracts, at the end of that said contract, the coach has zero responsibility to keep you on the team for the following year.

 

[iamtrulyblessed]

Yes, rocket your right. At the end of each year every scholarship is reveiwed and if a specific person doesn't hold up their part in scholastics or their part on the field than, yes they can be released. Every scholarship is a year to year basis.

 

[SoInIrishFan]

Rocket and Ms. Lynch, you are both correct. The problem I have is the implication that the athlete will get a 4 yr. education.

The university recruits the athlete for the skill set they have, and their potential. The athlete is required to play the scholarship sport, stay out of trouble, and get their grades. In most cases the athlete gets bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. He or she holds up their end of the bargin.

Now the university recruits a larger class than they should, due to great recruiting and an awesome run the year before. In this new class they have some "freak" players that will be immediate impact, so they pull the scholly of the older, very good player, to make room for this new stud they have. That seems unreasonable to me, since the "older" player has held up his/her end of the bargin.

The university should be held responsible for their recruiting decisions, and the development of said athlete. As much as it sickens me, college football in certain areas is purely a business. The way some schools handle the scholly's and athletes is at best questionable. Coaches aren't held accountable for anything other than winning and producing $$ for the university.

I realize I'm being naive, but I want college football to be "college" football. I want it to be fair and competitive. I want the kids to get a 4 year degree if they're signed. I want the coaches to be ethical in recruiting and evaluating. Is that a pipe dream? Yep, but a guy can wish.

Just one guys opinion, your mileage may vary.

 

[Legacy]

"The university recruits the athlete for the skill set they have, and their potential. The athlete is required to play the scholarship sport, stay out of trouble, and get their grades. In most cases the athlete gets bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. He or she holds up their end of the bargin."

Tell that to Elliott Porter, LSU OL recruit, class of 2010.

"At LSU, Les Miles went grim reaper this year on three different someones -- none more appallingly than Elliott Porter. Porter is a freshman offensive lineman from Waggaman, La., who signed with LSU in February, qualified academically, reported to summer school in June and started taking classes. After two months as a member of the LSU football family, Porter was summoned last week from his dorm room to Les Miles' office to hear that he wasn't part of the family anymore. Sorry, son. You're out. The NCAA allows a team to add 25 scholarship freshmen, and LSU had gone over that limit. Someone had to go, and that someone was Elliott Porter." (from previously cited article)

This Louisiana kid didn't even get one year out of his scholarship to LSU. He has been looking around, but no decision yet and many schools may have filled their OL need last year.

Here is his offer list. Only one OV (to LSU)
Elliott Porter - Yahoo! Sports

 

[SoInIrishFan]

"The university recruits the athlete for the skill set they have, and their potential. The athlete is required to play the scholarship sport, stay out of trouble, and get their grades. In most cases the athlete gets bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. He or she holds up their end of the bargin."

Tell that to Elliott Porter, LSU OL recruit, class of 2010.

"At LSU, Les Miles went grim reaper this year on three different someones -- none more appallingly than Elliott Porter. Porter is a freshman offensive lineman from Waggaman, La., who signed with LSU in February, qualified academically, reported to summer school in June and started taking classes. After two months as a member of the LSU football family, Porter was summoned last week from his dorm room to Les Miles' office to hear that he wasn't part of the family anymore. Sorry, son. You're out. The NCAA allows a team to add 25 scholarship freshmen, and LSU had gone over that limit. Someone had to go, and that someone was Elliott Porter." (from previously cited article)

This Louisiana kid didn't even get one year out of his scholarship to LSU. He has been looking around, but no decision yet and many schools may have filled their OL need last year.

Here is his offer list. Only one OV (to LSU)
Elliott Porter - Yahoo! Sports

I'm guessing you didn't get what I was trying to say, but thanks for helping me make my point, Legacy!

 

[Legacy]

Got your point about college football as a business with one year contracts. Just sharpening it to a point by illustrating that at some programs, a prospect cannot even rely on a scholarship for one year (two months in Porter's case).

LSU, Alabama, Mississippi and a host of other SEC schools oversign and end up destroying a kid's education and possibly their football career. The NCAA allows it to happen without legislating against it. This is really a "Buyer Beware" situation and small print on the LOI should read "Not necessarily valid for one year at some schools".

 

[rocket31]

"The university recruits the athlete for the skill set they have, and their potential. The athlete is required to play the scholarship sport, stay out of trouble, and get their grades. In most cases the athlete gets bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. He or she holds up their end of the bargin."

Tell that to Elliott Porter, LSU OL recruit, class of 2010.

"At LSU, Les Miles went grim reaper this year on three different someones -- none more appallingly than Elliott Porter. Porter is a freshman offensive lineman from Waggaman, La., who signed with LSU in February, qualified academically, reported to summer school in June and started taking classes. After two months as a member of the LSU football family, Porter was summoned last week from his dorm room to Les Miles' office to hear that he wasn't part of the family anymore. Sorry, son. You're out. The NCAA allows a team to add 25 scholarship freshmen, and LSU had gone over that limit. Someone had to go, and that someone was Elliott Porter." (from previously cited article)

This Louisiana kid didn't even get one year out of his scholarship to LSU. He has been looking around, but no decision yet and many schools may have filled their OL need last year.

Here is his offer list. Only one OV (to LSU)
Elliott Porter - Yahoo! Sports

elliot porter signed with kentucky a few weeks ago...

and les miles played that situation horribly (no surprise, les is an idiot) however, all these kids know (or should know) what they are getting into when they sign with a class of 28 kids.

les wanted porter to grey shirt for a semester and then he would get his scholarship in the spring. he decided not to do, which is fine, i dont blame him.

les could have told his entire 2010 class back in february that this situation was a possibility due to the amount of people signed, but he waited til august, that is where i find the issue...

 

[rocket31]

Got your point about college football as a business with one year contracts...

many things in life and in college are one year contracts... a job for instance?

also, my academic scholarship is a one year contract as well, if i dont *make the grade*, i lose my scholarship for the next year...

 

[SoInIrishFan]

many things in life and in college are one year contracts... a job for instance?

also, my academic scholarship is a one year contract as well, if i dont *make the grade*, i lose my scholarship for the next year...

Very true Rocket, but if you get a "B", they don't pull your scholly because they have an incoming student who is a prodigy.