Oversigning Recruits

[kmoose]

What??? What makes you think the coaches gathers the team together and let's them know? Miami released two players before Seantrell even stepped on campus and that was before the season started. They don't hold tryouts and release players based on performance. Miami knew nothing about Seantrell in the college ranks because he hadn't played in college. Tryouts are for professional teams not college football. These kids are told and sold on a bunch of bull**** to get them on campus, so they change their whole lives and move and enroll in classes and then are told they wont be on scholarship like they were promised. There is a reason the Big10 has rules against this. They are student athletes.

That's exactly what I mean........... it's the underhandedness of it that I think most people are outraged by. If the teams DID "hold tryouts", meaning that they recruited more kids than they have scholarships for, and everyone knew ahead of time that some kids would not end up getting scholarships, then I think the average fan would accept that.

 

[Irish Man3]

That's exactly what I mean........... it's the underhandedness of it that I think most people are outraged by. If the teams DID "hold tryouts", meaning that they recruited more kids than they have scholarships for, and everyone knew ahead of time that some kids would not end up getting scholarships, then I think the average fan would accept that.

They are taking kids scholarships that were already on the team. They aren't even just filtering through freshman, they are also pulling scholarships from players that have been a part of the team. If anyone accepts that then its ludacris. That is not ok.

And why do you think that kids sign their LOI knowing that they will have to compete for a scholarship? That is not how it works. Coaches don't make this a public thing and that's why Houston Nut, Randy Shannon, Les Miles, and Nick Saban declined to interview for this piece on ESPN. I don't understand who would know some kids wouldnt get a scholarship? The fans? The kids? Who? Nobody knows except the coaches and that is why it is so shady.

 

[kmoose]

They are taking kids scholarships that were already on the team. They aren't even just filtering through freshman, they are also pulling scholarships from players that have been a part of the team. If anyone accepts that then its ludacris. That is not ok.

And why do you think that kids sign their LOI knowing that they will have to compete for a scholarship? That is not how it works. Coaches don't make this a public thing and that's why Houston Nut, Randy Shannon, Les Miles, and Nick Saban declined to interview for this piece on ESPN. I don't understand who would know some kids wouldnt get a scholarship? The fans? The kids? Who? Nobody knows except the coaches and that is why it is so shady.

I'm not sure how much plainer I can make it....

If the 85 scholarships were up for grabs every year, and the kids had to earn their scholarships year after year, and everyone knew that that was how the system worked, then I don't think too many people would get irate about that. The fact that these coaches are promising these kids a 4 year deal, and then reneging on that promise, is what I think most people have an issue with.

 

[amgarvey]

Oversigning.com

Oversigning.com

Oversigning.com

I'm sure many of us are aware that there are certain programs around the country, cough sec cough cough, that habitually sign more players than they have slots available for. I had given the practice cursory thought, but hadn't really considered all of the implications it has. It creates a competitive imbalance, but more importantly can have devastating effects on the players who are cut, have their scholarships pulled, are forced into a "medical scholarship" (one of the better scenarios) and have their names wrongly dragged through the mud in order to make them more easily discardable. Fortunately this practice is coming to the forefront in the media. I wanted to share this site, which had done a fantastic job of spotlighting the worst offenders and disseminating information on the the topic.

Forgive me if there is already a thread on this topic or if this is old news to all of you.

 

[RyCo1983]

haha yeah it's old news with multiple threads.
A mod will prolly merge it or something.
It is a major issue that most serious CFB fans are aware of...though many deny it (fans of offending teams)

 

[ACamp1900]

yeah, it has been covered... just search 'oversigning'...

 

[NDinMich]

I like this even though it's something we've all known for years

"In our opinion, Notre Dame's recruiting practices, with regards to how they manage their numbers, is what we would hope the schools that oversign would adopt. It's simply a matter of integrity -- there would be no need for this website or regulation by the conference commissioners or the NCAA if everyone operated like Notre Dame and other schools who do not oversign."

 

[Junkhead]

The hot southern sun affects judgement. And the SEC teams don't give a **** about anything other than winning. I'd give your left testicle to see ND stomp an SEC team in the NC game. 2012. ND wins NC, world ends?

 

[amgarvey]

I had a feeling the topic had been covered at some point, but somehow wasn't aware of the search function. Anyway I would really like to draw attention to the site, which is really doing something admirable and has been a key player building anti-oversigning momentum.

 

[IrishMoore1]

A while back ESPN had a really good segment that covered oversigning by SEC schools. Does anyone still have the link?

 

[IrishMoore1]

I found a link

ESPN Investigates Oversigning - Along The Olentangy

 

[irishfan]

I had a feeling the topic had been covered at some point, but somehow wasn't aware of the search function. Anyway I would really like to draw attention to the site, which is really doing something admirable and has been a key player building anti-oversigning momentum.

I posted a thread about it in the recruiting section a while back, but here is fine too. Its not strictly-ND related, so either spot seems fine. There was a good story up today on SI about it.

Oversigning offenders in SEC, Big 12 won't be curbed by NCAA rule - Andy Staples - SI.com

 

[PLACforever]

Nice SI Article on Oversigning

Nice SI Article on Oversigning

Oversigning offenders in SEC, Big 12 won't be curbed by NCAA rule - Andy Staples - SI.com

 

[Rack Em]

Great read. I really like the suggestions at the end, but I would actually go a step farther. I'd grant the one mulligan, but on a second offense the school loses 20 scholarships over 2 years. This way it's harder to manipulate the "early enrollee" designation. A third offense warrants a 5 year death penalty. At that point coaches are not only abusing the term "student athlete" but they are shoving it in the face of the NCAA.

It blows my mind how many articles in recent years have come out on this subject, but the NCAA still does nothing. It's almost like the UN runs college football.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Nutt has a few phone calls to make...

 

[jason_h537]

What would change this would be making scholarships guaranteed 4 year commitments. A player can transfer, enter the draft and a 5th year is not guaranteed but once a player commits, his scholarship can not be pulled because the coach wants 30 recruits in the new class.

A player can be dismissed for disciplinary or academics but legitimate proof must be provided. Not just "violating team rules".

These kids bust their asses for the school, stop treating them like disposable items.

 

[Veer option]

What would change this would be making scholarships guaranteed 4 year commitments. A player can transfer, enter the draft and a 5th year is not guaranteed but once a player commits, his scholarship can not be pulled because the coach wants 30 recruits in the new class.

A player can be dismissed for disciplinary or academics but legitimate proof must be provided. Not just "violating team rules".

These kids bust their asses for the school, stop treating them like disposable items.

I like your ideas.

 

[irishpat183]

Good Lord. I would hate to get on campus, after all the BS they tell you in recruiting, only to find out I wasn't going to get the scholarship I was promised.

I'd transfer to the rival and make it a mission to run "wide" on and route and give the coach a helmet in the chest.

 

[Rack Em]

Article on Bama's Oversigning

Article on Bama's Oversigning

Great read about Nick Saban and his illustrious recruiting classes.

Roll Tide

Decoding Nick Saban's defense of oversigning, grayshirting - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

 

[Riddickulous]

There was a Bama fan bragging on Rivals about how Bama recruits "the right way". Needless to say, he was massacred.

 

[Veer option]

Makes me sick.



I hope the SEC comes crashing down one of these days.

 

[bert2834]

The NCAA needs to step up on this one. Let you sign at max 3 more kids than you have room for. And if you sign extras, you have to send a letter to the NCAA about how you got under your 85 scholarship limit. Just like the Big Ten.


Oversigning is just as bad as a 3 on 1 fight. Every once in a while the 1 will win, but not very often. SEC with 6 NCs in a row just proves the point.

 

[irishtrain]

You gotta love the SEc dont you-its like Blazing Saddles with a football slant.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

ESPN link to Oversigning article...who else

ESPN link to Oversigning article...who else

Nick the **** still going at it.

Scarbinsky: Alabama's don't-tell policy hurts Saban's oversigning defense | al.com

 

[TerryTate]

WSJ Article on the SEC Oversigning

SEC Coaches Defend 'Oversigning' - WSJ.com

 

[Rack Em]

Gotta love the "Head Ball Coach:

Spurrier said oversigning is "helpful" because so many of the players in the state come from underprivileged backgrounds and may not qualify academically.

Then you don't ****ing take them. Jesus, what a bunch of ****ing morons. Does anybody in the SEC have half a brain or any resemblance of a soul? And does anybody in the NCAA have a pair of testicles? Petrino, Nutt, and Spurrier are just throwing this in their face with this article.

 

[Kak7304]

Oversigning.com

Interesting that the two most discussed teams on this site are LSU and Bama.

 

[phork]

Welcome to the wonderful world of college football, where the 85 scholarship limit is merely a formality.

 

[Rack Em]

Welcome to the wonderful world of college football, where the 85 scholarship limit is merely a formality.

It's hardly a formality. It's just a meaningless number to the SEC, ACC, and the trogans.

 

[arahop]

The 10 Worst College Football Teams for Oversigning Recruits | Bleacher Report

I figured stuff like this was going on, but I didn't realize it was this rampant.

Also the top 10 teams that win