Our recruiting class

[aubeirish]

How does this affect us that he gets a OSU offer? Is he a OSU fan? If not, I still like our chances.

 

[WaveDomer]

Go take a look at BSU's recruiting classes. You can get the biggest stud in the country and if he doesn't fit the school or the coaching style, forget it. BSU is filled with overlooked cats who fit perfectly into Petersen's system. Now they are quite possibly the best team in the country. I don't care about schedule and all that. Skillwise and teamwise, they are possibly the best in the country.

Kelly will get his guys. When they start winning and having a ball on the field, more guys will want in.

 

[ryno 24]

councell is still Irish and Mcdaniel is Slot if we get Huggins and running back if we dont land anymore runningbacks but I am not freaking out about rb

 

[ryno 24]

we are fine we will eventually have 20-22 recruits that will sign

 

[irishff1014]

You really think that many.

 

[ryno 24]

Possibly Ishaq, Huggins, Mcdaniel, Golson, Carlisle, Perryman is always a possiblility, Shuler, French, and I could see BK extending some more smaller offers He is a coach that will poach (finally teams do it to us all the time) and he gets players later in the cycle

 

[irishff1014]

Wow that would be an awesome class

 

[ryno 24]

im saying possibly and i dont know what the possibilities are... BK doesnt take time off on anything and I thiink we will end up with a good class

 

[irishff1014]

I understand that completely. We just need to have faith in kelly and the recurits judgement right now. I know that i sound kinda hypocritical because of some other post that i should have just not said anything at all on.

 

[gspjeb]

to be honest, I used to sweat recruits and star rankings but modern college football has taught me that it doesnt really mean all that much compared to coaching and development. Texas has more talent than any team in the nation if you look at star rankings......and Boise State/TCU etc are not even close. It is more important to have the right kid in the right system....we have a great coach......we will get great kids......and they will win regardless of a star ranking.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I've been a ND fan for about 22 years now. And honestly this is the first time i've really followed recruiting so close. (thanks to this board). And i gotta tell ya its kinda stressfull!

 

[INFIDEL STRONG]

The ones who decommit, good, get your *** out of here now, rather then later. We cannot have weak minded people on this team.

 

[Zibby32]

It wasnt like this 15 years ago...With the popularity of high school football, these kids rise to celebrity status far too quickly...there are now thousands of recruiting services helping high school seniors "place" kids in football programs at a price...

everyone is out to make a buck, kind sad

 

[irishtrain]

Im just afraid the floodgates may open on us. Not terribly worried about the fate of next year. But more that it will be harder to get high caliber guys to come to ND.

This is the very point I've been trying to make and got nailed on this subject. There is an obvious reason why these guys are changing their mind. With that said I still say let them go as you need 'Teo' type guys committed to the program. But there is no doubt in my mind that they are changing their minds because they are football players first and dont want the interference of a stern challange on education standards. Kelly will win games because he knows how to put the ball in the endzone and is a very good college coach. But the type of players that other Notre Dame coaches had to play with are just not going to come. Kids today dont give a $#@! about their education when they perceive themselves as future pros. In many ways I cant disagree with them other than to say what are you going to do if you dont make it to the NFL. This impacts the defense more than the offense but the concept is the same. Kelly will win and bring respectability back but Notre Dame has an uphill climb that may not result in championship type excellance unless they find a compromise. When you loose 3/4 recruits that other places easily gobble up you are not desirable to those players and dont tell me its the South Bend weather.

 

[Zibby32]

When you loose 3/4 recruits that other places easily gobble up you are not desirable to those players and dont tell me its the South Bend weather.

you ever recruit before? ahaha

In this day and age early commitments mean nothing. Faxed signatures on NSD are how you shape your class...

We "gobble up" players who are former commits to other schools, ever school faces the same situation.

Unfortunately weather is a factor, and South Bend isnt exactly South Beach North. Try talking to a kid from GA or FL who has never traveled past Tennessee about weather...YES weather is important to them

 

[CanadianIrish]

Listen, it's undeniable that what's happened with our recruiting over the last month has been bad. Anyone who says otherwise is such a preposterous biased pollyana-esque fan that their opinion can be afforded no weight. That, however, does not mean that de-commits should be unexpected, nor does it mean that this is the end of the world.

I would trade Huggins for Hayes, Lynch for Drew (or Williams, Chikillo or Scarlett for that matter), and Prestwood for Niklas any day of the week. You can then throw in French, Shuler and Golson as the cherry on top.

This can still be a very strong class. The issue is that it could also result in us failing to close with these guys. Everything hangs in the balance right now, and it's important for the recruiters and the team to close strong so that we can wrap up a solid class. Things certainly can go south at this point and we could be in big trouble - but that's far from a certainty, and lets try not to work ourselves into a panic over it just yet.

 

[irishtrain]

you ever recruit before? ahaha

In this day and age early commitments mean nothing. Faxed signatures on NSD are how you shape your class...

We "gobble up" players who are former commits to other schools, ever school faces the same situation.

Unfortunately weather is a factor, and South Bend isnt exactly South Beach North. Try talking to a kid from GA or FL who has never traveled past Tennessee about weather...YES weather is important to them

weather wasnt a factor in past years with other coaches-I know I'm not supposed to bring up the past days but the fact is weather has little to do with it when Notre Dame is upon excellance. And yes I have recruited. I think it has more to do with the work required to get thru once they get in.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

When you look at who we've lost, it's both dire and not-so-dire depending on what happens with other recruits:

Justice: this is a big deal if we don't get Savon. If we do get Savon it's only a big deal if Cierre gets hurt or we don't grab a good back next year.

Lynch: Not a big deal if we get Ishaq and keep Tuitt. If we end up with neither of them then this was a big loss.

Prestwood: I could care less. Seriously.

In the end, no reason to panic, let's see how things turn out on NSD.

You forgot Burton, yawn!

(See what I mean?)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zibby32
you ever recruit before? ahaha

In this day and age early commitments mean nothing. Faxed signatures on NSD are how you shape your class...

We "gobble up" players who are former commits to other schools, ever school faces the same situation.

Unfortunately weather is a factor, and South Bend isnt exactly South Beach North. Try talking to a kid from GA or FL who has never traveled past Tennessee about weather...YES weather is important to them

weather wasnt a factor in past years with other coaches-I know I'm not supposed to bring up the past days but the fact is weather has little to do with it when Notre Dame is upon excellance. And yes I have recruited. I think it has more to do with the work required to get thru once they get in.

I've been thinking about this: who says weather is a factor?

Money is a factor, wait and see.

And for some, football is still a factor.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Listen, it's undeniable that what's happened with our recruiting over the last month has been bad. Anyone who says otherwise is such a preposterous biased pollyana-esque fan that their opinion can be afforded no weight. That, however, does not mean that de-commits should be unexpected, nor does it mean that this is the end of the world.

I would trade Huggins for Hayes, Lynch for Drew (or Williams, Chikillo or Scarlett for that matter), and Prestwood for Niklas any day of the week. You can then throw in French, Shuler and Golson as the cherry on top.

This can still be a very strong class. The issue is that it could also result in us failing to close with these guys. Everything hangs in the balance right now, and it's important for the recruiters and the team to close strong so that we can wrap up a solid class. Things certainly can go south at this point and we could be in big trouble - but that's far from a certainty, and lets try not to work ourselves into a panic over it just yet.

I say otherwise.

 

[Zibby32]

I am not saying that weather is the end all be all....but its a "factor"

Other factors that a player might consider is, location...see where I am going with this?

you notice we has 3 great recruits from FL, who flipped there commits to schools in....FL

bottom line, 18 year old kids are not going to see 4 years down the road. ND financially and educationally might be far more beneficial for a kid, but he isn't going to buy it.

 

[military_irish]

I am not saying that weather is the end all be all....but its a "factor"

Other factors that a player might consider is, location...see where I am going with this?

you notice we has 3 great recruits from FL, who flipped there commits to schools in....FL
bottom line, 18 year old kids are not going to see 4 years down the road. ND financially and educationally might be far more beneficial for a kid, but he isn't going to buy it.

I see what you are saying here but a kid that is from FL will be more likely to stay there because it is home, more than the weather. Just my opinion.

I mean their is probably ten players on the team that are from florida, Allen, Nwanko, Turk, Wenger, Heggie, Lo Wood, Motta.

So weather may effect some, but more than likely it is because it is home. Alot of times recruits stay close to home as it is. Not all but alot

 

[Old Man Mike]

One year not too long ago Purdue recruited something like 13-16 players from Florida successfully. Admittedly blew my mind but weather couldn't have been much of a factor that recruiting season. It's too bad that these young guys don't recognize two things: a) they're tougher than any "weather" or they shouldn't be trying to play D-1 football; b). it takes about two months of school for most guys to figure out that THESE are the guys who are going to make up most of your lifetime friends, not the guys from the old high school [though a few of them will stick too]. But the perspective of a 17-18 year old who has never been "out of town" [psychologically] won't see that.

 

[Irish Man3]

ESPNU just had it's recruiting insider show on television. They spent the last two minutes of the show saying nothing about Everett Golson or Cam McDaniel but rather bashed us for Justice Hayes. They said that our campus is impressive but after the initial impact, the visit wears off. Notre Dame plays second fiddle to more important and relevant schools. Michigan more relevant than ND?

 

[roc351w]

ESPNU just had it's recruiting insider show on television. They spent the last two minutes of the show saying nothing about Everett Golson or Cam McDaniel but rather bashed us for Justice Hayes. They said that our campus is impressive but after the initial impact of the visit wears off, Notre Dame plays second fiddle to more important and relevant schools. Michigan more relevant than ND?[/QUOTE


thats why i cant stand espn they try to dictact certain colleges reputations because of the t.v. contracts wouldnt mind sitting down and talking to them s.o.b's eye to eye.....

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

ESPNU just had it's recruiting insider show on television. They spent the last two minutes of the show saying nothing about Everett Golson or Cam McDaniel but rather bashed us for Justice Hayes. They said that our campus is impressive but after the initial impact of the visit wears off, Notre Dame plays second fiddle to more important and relevant schools. Michigan more relevant than ND?

That is a bunch of garbage and ESPN for you. Here is my two cents about the whole Hayes and Michigan thing...., We will see who is second fiddle next season as we beat them. We should have beat them this year, but our Defense was still young and in the early stages of learning. We are much better now and will be even better next year. Michigan ended the season on a down swing, we are in an upswing. I for one am happy with where we stand.

 

[InKellyITrust]

I'll look forward to seeing what Justice does against Teo, Shembo and others.

Again, Denard is their RB. I can't say that I understand why he'd go there or why he thinks that Rich Rod is a more stable coach than Brian Kelly. That type of judgement reaffirms that ND isn't the right place for him.

Michigan's players play for the names that are on the back of their jerseys and ND plays for the names that are on the front of theirs.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I'll look forward to seeing what Justice does against Teo, Shembo and others.

Again, Denard is their RB. I can't say that I understand why he'd go there or why he thinks that Rich Rod is a more stable coach than Brian Kelly. That type of judgement reaffirms that ND isn't the right place for him.

Michigan's players play for the names that are on the back of their jerseys and ND plays for the names that are on the front of theirs.

I like this last line of your post the best.

 

[IrishLax]

ND needs to sign their next contract with ABC. Just sayin'

 

[Irish Man3]

I want to see what Justice Hayes does behind Dee Hart. The kid is a STUD!