Oregon NCAA Trouble

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Documents released by the University of Oregon show the school and the NCAA agree "major" violations were committed by the football program
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However, the documents also state NCAA enforcement staff said they had "no finding of lack of institutional control and no finding of unethical conduct,"
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What the hell?!?! Those are contradicting statements! "Major" violations have to equate to institutional control and unethical conduct!

If the school pays a salary to a rogue football coach, they are responsible! Your employees are your responsibility if they are acting within the scope of their employment! You can't indemnify yourself!

This is utterly ridiculous and exhibits a complete lack of competence on the NCAA's part and a complete disregard for the rules on Oregon's part.
 
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I completely agree. The NCAA is incompetent.

I have a friend who does compliance there. Says they are morons. When the primary regulator in your field has a complete inability to deter conduct and provide a credible threat of a thorough and successful investigation, this will just keep on happening.
 
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IrishLax said:
This would really suck as they're the only PAC12 team that looks to challenge USC this year... hopefully the post season ban doesn't affect this year or, if it does, they appeal it. Would hate to see USC get a walkover opponent in the PAC12 championship game.
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Uhhh hello, are we forgetting about Washington State Cougars and Colorado, USC does have to beat those guys first.

Let alone their non-conference games against Utah State and Hawaii, these guys are no slouches.
 
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WakeUpEchoes said:
I completely agree. The NCAA is incompetent.

I have a friend who does compliance there. Says they are morons. When the primary regulator in your field has a complete inability to deter conduct and provide a credible threat of a thorough and successful investigation, this will just keep on happening.
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Makes you wonder how bad Oregon really screwed up if even the morons are catching on.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Oregon proposes self-imposed 2-year probation & loss of a scholarship for 3 years for football-related violations » <a href="http://t.co/dQrmoB0U4F" title="http://es.pn/XPJjtb">es.pn/XPJjtb</a></p>— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/324233585320144896">April 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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What a joke. That's their idea of a self-imposed penalty?
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Oregon proposes self-imposed 2-year probation & loss of a scholarship for 3 years for football-related violations » <a href="http://t.co/dQrmoB0U4F" title="http://es.pn/XPJjtb">es.pn/XPJjtb</a></p>— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/324233585320144896">April 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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What a joke. That's their idea of a self-imposed penalty?
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A WHOLE SCHOLARSHIP!?!?!?!?!?!?
 
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I kind of hope they get the hammer, im sick of all their bandwagon fans i know talking **** about Notre Dame
 
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You know what really grinds my gears?

When is the NFL gonna step in and tell these ****ing rat bastard college coaches that you can't just jump a sinking ship that you are responsible for, for a bigger pay day? I am so tired of seeing college coaches break the rules then leave, and the following coach get stuck with the sanctions. This crap just hurts the guys that had nothing to do with it.
 
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The NCAA member schools that choose to be lead by the NCAA are the ones that need to change the NCAA.
change will not come from within the NCAA.
lets be honest college athletics (especially football) is the biggest gravy train in sports--do you think for one second any change can or will come? they all know what is going on and dont give the ncaa the authority we al think they have to come down hard on these cash cows.

its all about the benjamins. nothing will change until the universities demand it. fat chance.
 
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You know what really grinds my gears?

When is the NFL gonna step in and tell these ****ing rat bastard college coaches that you can't just jump a sinking ship that you are responsible for, for a bigger pay day? I am so tired of seeing college coaches break the rules then leave, and the following coach get stuck with the sanctions. This crap just hurts the guys that had nothing to do with it.
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aGREED. Yes that is intentional. Sneaky Pete the Rat Bastard, now Chip. They should at a minimum be required to go back in front of the school and answer questions about their actions. No where but coaching is this allowed in a profession where you can cheat and duck (no pun intended) the law and come out w a higher paying job. The NFL and NBA should have some ethics clause that would require the team and coach to pay a percent of their salary back to the affected school if wrongdoing is found. Give the F'in NCAA some subpeona power if need be.
 
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Wonder what U$C fans think of this. I'm not curious enough to ever stoop as low as visiting one of their boards, but I bet they are blowing up.
 
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Cackalacky said:
You know what really grinds my gears?

When is the NFL gonna step in and tell these ****ing rat bastard college coaches that you can't just jump a sinking ship that you are responsible for, for a bigger pay day? I am so tired of seeing college coaches break the rules then leave, and the following coach get stuck with the sanctions. This crap just hurts the guys that had nothing to do with it.
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Even when that new coach is Kiffin??
 
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Cackalacky said:
You know what really grinds my gears?

When is the NFL gonna step in and tell these ****ing rat bastard college coaches that you can't just jump a sinking ship that you are responsible for, for a bigger pay day? I am so tired of seeing college coaches break the rules then leave, and the following coach get stuck with the sanctions. This crap just hurts the guys that had nothing to do with it.
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As long as money trumps ethics, never.
 
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As much as I absolutely hate it, the complete inability of the NCAA to quickly and definitively punish these schools, is encouraging these traditionally sorry football schools like Oregon or Miami pre 1980's to follow this template to national prominence, take their slap on the wrist and keep building new facilities, new weight rooms and new teams with new coaches.
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
aGREED. Yes that is intentional. Sneaky Pete the Rat Bastard, now Chip. They should at a minimum be required to go back in front of the school and answer questions about their actions. No where but coaching is this allowed in a profession where you can cheat and duck (no pun intended) the law and come out w a higher paying job. The NFL and NBA should have some ethics clause that would require the team and coach to pay a percent of their salary back to the affected school if wrongdoing is found. Give the F'in NCAA some subpeona power if need be.
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Absolutely incorrect. The term "golden parachute" does not trace it's roots through coaching though it certainly applies. This stuff has been going on in board rooms across the world for years and years. Focus on the quarter forget about the long term health of the company or the shareholders who don't have a clue that the value has been "cooked up" in the books. We as a culture rationalize and turn a blind eye way too much. Not just in athletics, not just in coaching.
 
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Absolutely incorrect. The term "golden parachute" does not trace it's roots through coaching though it certainly applies. This stuff has been going on in board rooms across the world for years and years. Focus on the quarter forget about the long term health of the company or the shareholders who don't have a clue that the value has been "cooked up" in the books. We as a culture rationalize and turn a blind eye way too much. Not just in athletics, not just in coaching.
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I guess that is corect, but I'm not sure you see those guys leave one boardroom for a higher paying seat in a different boardroom/company if the first place is hit with legal issues. They get the Golden parachute yes, but from the company they are leaving, not the one they are going to. Also it is not as likely if legal issues are brewing as a result of their behavior particularly when the product/company they have been "leading" is going down like the titanic. Seems pretty prevalent in the coaching ranks and none of these guys seem to have any shame about it.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Oregon proposes self-imposed 2-year probation & loss of a scholarship for 3 years for football-related violations » <a href="http://t.co/dQrmoB0U4F" title="http://es.pn/XPJjtb">es.pn/XPJjtb</a></p>— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/324233585320144896">April 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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What a joke. That's their idea of a self-imposed penalty?
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ND imposes worse penalties on itself on a yearly basis by playing above deck.
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
I guess that is corect, but I'm not sure you see those guys leave one boardroom for a higher paying seat in a different boardroom/company if the first place is hit with legal issues. They get the Golden parachute yes, but from the company they are leaving, not the one they are going to. Also it is not as likely if legal issues are brewing as a result of their behavior particularly when the product/company they have been "leading" is going down like the titanic. Seems pretty prevalent in the coaching ranks and none of these guys seem to have any shame about it.
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I get your point, but there are more than enough cases in government and big business, where guys absolutely fail upwards. This is not a coaching only issue. Too often one persons catastrophe is another persons gain, and as long as the people gaining are the ones doing the hiring it is easy enough to fail up in this society.
 
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Ask Auburn fans if they would trade their Crystal Football and oncoming s-itstorm stemming from it for stability and a clean slate moving forward, and I guarantee you will get Copenhagen spat in your eye.

Winning is absolutely EVERYTHING to some people. It is the ONLY thing.

A coach making millions having to deal with a crabby set of boosters=him doing whatever it takes to win
 
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