One Stop Rumors Thread?

[TP81989]

Weird, almost like people know what they are looking at and you're still a dude saying he "hasn't proven anything"

Perhaps people actually in the profession know more than us? Not that weird to me.

An awful coach like BVG kept getting chances by these same people who should know way more than the average fan.

Again, so many of these coaching hires are about who you know.

 

[ColinKSU]

Weird, almost like people know what they are looking at and you're still a dude saying he "hasn't proven anything"

He hasn’t though. He’s been an OC for two years and neither offense he’s coordinated has been outstanding. They’ve been fine. There are much better offenses and much more proven OCs in the country than Tommy Rees.

What has he proven to you, person who believes he’s proven things, to make him worthy of being literally the highest paid OC in college football history? I’m genuinely curious.

 

[Dale]

He hasn’t though. He’s been an OC for two years and neither offense he’s coordinated has been outstanding. They’ve been fine.

What has he proven to you, person who believes he’s proven things, to make him worthy of being literally the highest paid OC in college football history? I’m genuinely curious.

We’ve had Top 20 offenses each of the last 2 years with athletically limited QBs that he developed probably to their ceiling and got drafted. He’s shown a pretty elite grasp of modern offense and playcalling (this will draw disagreement but can be shown in film). Recruiting wise Mario demands a lot so Rees would either do it or get kicked to the curb.

Most importantly, the highest paid coach thing is always going to be somewhat dumb. New coaches, new programs overpay, that’s just the nature of the business. He’s IMO earned being in that top group though. And the market seems to agree.

 

[stlnd01]

We’ve had Top 20 offenses each of the last 2 years with athletically limited QBs that he developed probably to their ceiling and got drafted. He’s shown a pretty elite grasp of modern offense and playcalling (this will draw disagreement but can be shown in film). Recruiting wise Mario demands a lot so Rees would either do it or get kicked to the curb.

Most importantly, the highest paid coach thing is always going to be somewhat dumb. New coaches, new programs overpay, that’s just the nature of the business. He’s IMO earned being in that top group though. And the market seems to agree.

Yep. I feel like he has done a pretty pretty good job the last two years of scoring a lot of points with what amounts to chicken scratch of talent. There are like three or four NFL players on the 2021 offense and they were the last team left out of the playoffs.

I realize a lot of people still wish Tommy was a better quarterback when he played for us 11 years ago, but that doesn’t change the fact that he understands the game at a deeper level than most, which is probably why he got to be starting quarterback at Notre Dame to begin with (it sure wasn’t his arm). And Miami’s playing with Monopoly money, but the fact that BK offered what he did, and Swarbrick apparently bettered it, point to how much the two people who know Rees better than anyone think of the guy.

 

[greyhammer90]

We’ve had Top 20 offenses each of the last 2 years with athletically limited QBs that he developed probably to their ceiling and got drafted. He’s shown a pretty elite grasp of modern offense and playcalling (this will draw disagreement but can be shown in film). Recruiting wise Mario demands a lot so Rees would either do it or get kicked to the curb.

Most importantly, the highest paid coach thing is always going to be somewhat dumb. New coaches, new programs overpay, that’s just the nature of the business. He’s IMO earned being in that top group though. And the market seems to agree.

As to your comment about "can be shown in film" I really wish somebody would. I'm not saying I don't believe it but so many reporters and "in the know" folks all speak extremely highly of Rees' play design and route structures but never take the time to really deep dive and explain what they're seeing or what is so exemplary about Rees' offensive structure.

 

[Dale]

As to your comment about "can be shown in film" I really wish somebody would. I'm not saying I don't believe it but so many reporters and "in the know" folks all speak extremely highly of Rees' play design and route structures but never take the time to really deep dive and explain what they're seeing or what is so exemplary about Rees' offensive structure.

Jamie U and Greg Flammang do on a weekly basis.

 

[greyhammer90]

Jamie U and Greg Flammang do on a weekly basis.

I've genuinely not seen any ISD YouTube stuff so I'll check it out. Thanks!

 

[IrishBoognish]

I've genuinely not seen any ISD YouTube stuff so I'll check it out. Thanks!

Yeah man. I think they're criminally underrated as Xs and Os guys. Their youtubes have really good and accessible content that explain why we do the things we do... and being underrated, they often take questions really quick and seem like good guys.

I've grown into a big fan lately.

 

[chicago51]

Money is definitely a good sign for Miami in the future and they won’t tear the new facilities down when they need a new HC but I think Cristobal’s hires leave a lot to be desired. I’m in general a fan of Cristobal as some of my prior posts would indicate but he’s got to get his coordinator hires straightened out and he’s getting a bit of a rep and history out there. Recruiting he’ll have it rolling and he’s got the support part down.

Cristobal definitely needs to get his coordinator hires straighten out.

He's an offensive line guy who is great with recruiting and all the team culture stuff. But he's not a great football mind . He's just okay on the scheme Xs and Os stuff. He's going to need good coordinators.

He's almost the anti Lincoln Riley who is a football intellectual but I find him boring and uninspiring. Not the kind of guy you're going to run through a wall for.

 

[chicago51]

It remains very weird to me how much Rees has already been given or offered for someone who isn’t even 30 and hasn’t proven anything in his coaching career to warrant being give or offered more than any OC in the history of college football.

He's impressive in these coaching clinics/ off season coaching gatherings from what I understand . Being good on a white board doesn't always translate to the turf. But that's my understanding is Rees is more respected in coaching circles than he might be amongst the fan base.

 

[Irish#1]

He's impressive in these coaching clinics/ off season coaching gatherings from what I understand . Being good on a white board doesn't always translate to the turf. But that's my understanding is Rees is more respected in coaching circles than he might be amongst the fan base.

We have higher standards than most coaches. Every play should be a TD.

 

[tko]

Jamie U and Greg Flammang do on a weekly basis.

I was so angry that Buchner didn't keep the ball on that play. Kyren scored and probably told him to give me the ball or else, but waltzing in with Diggs leading the way would've been awesome too. Maybe that could've helped Tyler stem the tide of panic? I'm excited about next season outside of the OSU game and USC game.

 

[BeauBenken]

I was so angry that Buchner didn't keep the ball on that play. Kyren scored and probably told him to give me the ball or else, but waltzing in with Diggs leading the way would've been awesome too. Maybe that could've helped Tyler stem the tide of panic? I'm excited about next season outside of the OSU game and USC game.

I believe Kyren even told the media that that was a situation where he told Tyler to give him the ball regardless of what he read.

 

[NDRock]

He's impressive in these coaching clinics/ off season coaching gatherings from what I understand . Being good on a white board doesn't always translate to the turf. But that's my understanding is Rees is more respected in coaching circles than he might be amongst the fan base.

Like most professions, people actually doing the job can recognize talent better than those from the outside.

 

[DONTH8]

I believe Kyren even told the media that that was a situation where he told Tyler to give him the ball regardless of what he read.

By the looks of it, he also told the defense beforehand that he was getting the ball regardless of what Tyler read.

 

[ulukinatme]

He hasn’t though. He’s been an OC for two years and neither offense he’s coordinated has been outstanding. They’ve been fine. There are much better offenses and much more proven OCs in the country than Tommy Rees.

What has he proven to you, person who believes he’s proven things, to make him worthy of being literally the highest paid OC in college football history? I’m genuinely curious.

Actually his offenses have overachieved when you consider a weak WR pool to work with the last two years and a struggling OL for at least half a season this year. He also turned a 3 star QB into a winner. He just broke a bowl record against a team with an impressive defense, very similar to his first game as OC against Iowa State's well regarded defense. Kelly was willing to offer him quite a bit more to come with him to LSU, not to mention Miami offering him ridiculous money...and despite that ND was willing to at least upgrade his pay just to keep him in South Bend. That should tell you enough that you're looking at this the wrong way.

 

[Irishbounty28]

I'm in the camp that believes all of the interest in Tommy isn't because of his coaching chops at all, but more so because of the street cred he gained after running from the police.

 

[Irishize]

He hasn’t though. He’s been an OC for two years and neither offense he’s coordinated has been outstanding. They’ve been fine. There are much better offenses and much more proven OCs in the country than Tommy Rees.

What has he proven to you, person who believes he’s proven things, to make him worthy of being literally the highest paid OC in college football history? I’m genuinely curious.

It doesn’t really matter what we fans think of him as an OC b/c the folks that matter think highly of him. As every ND podcast has noted, despite fans griping about everything Rees does or doesn’t do, the NFL & college coaching circles respect the hell out of his acumen & believe he has a bright future.

 

[chicago51]

I'm in the camp that believes all of the interest in Tommy isn't because of his coaching chops at all, but more so because of the street cred he gained after running from the police.

We've seen TR run. Slowest police chase ever.

 

[IrishLax]

@ulukinatme have you heard anything about ND setting up an NIL collective similar to other schools? Rumor is that they are going to announce one before Spring Ball that is focused on compensating players with "marketing" opportunities rather than being focused on trying to lure recruits with offers. Marketing opportunities will primarily be related to exorbitant pay for things like signed memorabilia or appearances. They think something like this (or NFTs or whatever) is 100% above board. In concept, ND admins are absolutely convinced that what Texas A&M (and others) are doing is 100% against the rules. And I actually agree with them, even if obviously nothing will happen to Texas A&M. So they want to focus on "taking care of" current players and then being able to show how players are being taken care of versus saying "sign here for $400k".

Anyways, that's the rumor, but I don't if there are others more connected to the "booster class" on here that can confirm or deny.

 

[irishff1014]

@ulukinatme have you heard anything about ND setting up an NIL collective similar to other schools? Rumor is that they are going to announce one before Spring Ball that is focused on compensating players with "marketing" opportunities rather than being focused on trying to lure recruits with offers. Marketing opportunities will primarily be related to exorbitant pay for things like signed memorabilia or appearances. They think something like this (or NFTs or whatever) is 100% above board. In concept, ND admins are absolutely convinced that what Texas A&M (and others) are doing is 100% against the rules. And I actually agree with them, even if obviously nothing will happen to Texas A&M. So they want to focus on "taking care of" current players and then being able to show how players are being taken care of versus saying "sign here for $400k".

Anyways, that's the rumor, but I don't if there are others more connected to the "booster class" on here that can confirm or deny.

First off I am not connected. I know we have beat this topic up but I am not sure why the NIL didn’t start off this way?

 

[IrishRazor82]

@ulukinatme have you heard anything about ND setting up an NIL collective similar to other schools? Rumor is that they are going to announce one before Spring Ball that is focused on compensating players with "marketing" opportunities rather than being focused on trying to lure recruits with offers. Marketing opportunities will primarily be related to exorbitant pay for things like signed memorabilia or appearances. They think something like this (or NFTs or whatever) is 100% above board. In concept, ND admins are absolutely convinced that what Texas A&M (and others) are doing is 100% against the rules. And I actually agree with them, even if obviously nothing will happen to Texas A&M. So they want to focus on "taking care of" current players and then being able to show how players are being taken care of versus saying "sign here for $400k".

Anyways, that's the rumor, but I don't if there are others more connected to the "booster class" on here that can confirm or deny.

If it's actually big I hope they reveal it on the March 18-20 visits since that's turning into a big one. Also I hope it's more liquid or at least powerful than NFTs. I think the value in those is going to fizzle out quickly.

 

[IrishLax]

The other rumor I heard -- but it's third hand from a guy who isn't a great source -- is that there might be a service related aspect to it. ND is all about volunteerism // giving back and that they're going to try to facilitate ways for players to leverage NIL into community projects that.

Low percentage chance this is all true, but let me know if anyone has heard something similar or different.

 

[notredomer23]

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The other rumor I heard -- but it's third hand from a guy who isn't a great source -- is that there might be a service related aspect to it. ND is all about volunteerism // giving back and that they're going to try to facilitate ways for players to leverage NIL into community projects that.

Low percentage chance this is all true, but let me know if anyone has heard something similar or different.

It's called Friends of Notre Dame. Freeman starts talking about it around 19:30. Goes in depth on NIL, thinks ND is competitive, but still has some work to do in terms of NIL.

 

[Dale]

I think the video is private now. I saw someone post it this AM and went back a few mins ago and now shows private for me on 247 and here.

 

[notredomer23]

I think the video is private now. I saw someone post it this AM and went back a few mins ago and now shows private for me on 247 and here.

I still have access I will see if I can clip the NIL part.

 

[notredomer23]

Sorry Hunter Biven if you're reading this. Plz no comments about my dirty screen.

 

[irish2104]

Yeah I couldn't see it either... I was also thinking could def leverage that the ND brand is way more valuable than say AM and that we won't pay you up front or whatever but once your here you are going to make way more then just about any other school in the country...

 

[Dale]

Taking care of the top 5% of players NIL wise is a decent recruiting pitch if they can lay out what Hamilton or others got because any recruit who cares about NIL surely thinks he’ll be a part of that.

 

[IrishRazor82]

The shifting of endowment funding to NIL funding is honestly a game changer for ND if they can somehow reroute those rich donors interests. You don't need it all, you need like 10% of the people doing the endowment to be like "national championships at my alma matter are pretty neat".