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Funny thread.

The starting five for Purdue was not close to the anticipated starting five for the season.

Lombard was an animal against Rice, and did well against U of M until he hurt his ankle. That alone is enough to throw the continuity of a starting line off. That way you have two unanticipated starters at the guard position.

And anyone I heard that talked about this years line, compared this years line at the end of this season to the line of years past. That is implicit that this years line needed lots of experience and time to play together. Please don't forget that when you want to start an argument, er, a, engage in a conversation.

The defensive ends for Purdue were fast like Rice and big like Michigan. Both tackles were in battles. People may complain about Elmer, but the fact is his man had to leave the field twice due to injury.

Stanly held their best defensive linemen at bay. And in the second half they continually took the de's around and too deep to be part of the play. So there was a huge open gap between the guards and tackles. It gave someone spying Golson plenty of room to attack as there were few blockers available running the number of open sets that ND did.

Last weeks stacking the inside gaps comment was about defeating an inside zone running game. I do not like an inside zone running game. And that is why. Last year when teams beat it (as they often did) ND bounced outside with TR at the helm. This year with EG we don't have to bounce it outside. Yesterday, the staff put the team on EG's back. That was the worst thing in my opinion. What if Golson had gotten hurt?

Some of the most egregious errors in blocking were against backs, ends, and wide receivers. In fact, Purdue's defensive backfield was by far the best that we have seen this year. Coincidentally, two of the players in the back four, didn't play their first action of the season until last night. Kind of sucks for scouting, doesn't it? And they were key to blitzes, or backs playing up that stuck it to the running game.

How many players were we down by at the end of the game? 14 or more? And people are bitching about coming out with a victory. Remember, this is the Baby Irish. They are already an inexperienced team. With many starters gone. And now they (particularly the offensive and defensive line has had to shift players around) which really makes continuity hard to achieve.

says the guy who argued that the suspensions probably make our defense better.

anyway, I'm just as fired up as anybody about how good this OL is going to be once the season's over. It's during the season that I'm a little worried about - that seems more relevant.
 
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says the guy who argued that the suspensions probably make our defense better.

anyway, I'm just as fired up as anybody about how good this OL is going to be once the season's over. It's during the season that I'm a little worried about - that seems more relevant.

This where I am at. We all expected the OL to be a question but the talent is there. During the season I want and expect to see development and continuity. Missing key components will be disruptive to a group that has not played together much. It may require a shakeup and some new bodies but I believe HH will make the adjustments needed.
 

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Count me among those officially worried about the run blocking. Rice was average against the run last year, while Purdue and UM were both solid; but most of the advanced metrics agree that Rice and Purdue are fielding very weak defenses this year, and we still couldn't get anything going against them.

MGoBlog noted in its Notre Dame preview that Martin and Lombard was by far our most effective run blocking combo. Perhaps the loss of Lombard is more significant than many here imagined.
 
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Count me among those officially worried about the run blocking. Rice was average against the run last year, while Purdue and UM were both solid; but most of the advanced metrics agree that Rice and Purdue are fielding very weak defenses this year, and we still couldn't get anything going against them.

MGoBlog noted in its Notre Dame preview that Martin and Lombard was by far our most effective run blocking combo. Perhaps the loss of Lombard is more significant than many here imagined.

I am also concerned about the lack of it but we still seem to be scoring more points than ever under Kelly right now ( for several reasons anyway) but when has NDs running game been anything more than pedestrian? Riddick In 2012 is the only RB I recall ever really producing under BK.
 

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Count me among those officially worried about the run blocking. Rice was average against the run last year, while Purdue and UM were both solid; but most of the advanced metrics agree that Rice and Purdue are fielding very weak defenses this year, and we still couldn't get anything going against them.

MGoBlog noted in its Notre Dame preview that Martin and Lombard was by far our most effective run blocking combo. Perhaps the loss of Lombard is more significant than many here imagined.

And I think anybody not worried isn't being completely honest. And while the composite numbers in the HH era don't look all that bad, the game-by-game stats seem more troublesome. I guess, by that last statement, what I mean is that ND has struggled running the ball on multiple occasions (at times against inferior opponents) and seems to have a really good running performance mixed in with poorer games to help bring the overall numbers up.

A couple posters have brought it up last night and today, and I have personally been talking about it for awhile, but I think the overall approach to the run game may be the issue. The sideways/lateral-start approach to many of the running plays takes a long time to develop and requires almost perfect execution by all the blockers (OL, TE's, and WR's). If ND were running a fast pace tempo on offense, I guess that could help, if the staff is truly married to the idea of originating their run game in this fashion. But the approach they are (and have been) taking makes it hard to impose their will and run the ball down the throat of their opponent. They can't seem to get 5 yards, 5 yards, 7 yards, 6 yards, 9 yards, 4 yards, etc. It's more like 5 yards, 5 yards, -1 yards...and then the entire down and distance metric is blown up.

I tend to think all options should be on the table as well in regards to "fixing" or improving the run game-- OL personnel, WR personnel, RB personnel, play calling, and overall run-game philosophy.
 
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Riddick In 2012 is the only RB I recall ever really producing under BK.

Don't forget 2011:

Cierre Wood 1,102 yds 9 TDs
Jonas Gray 791 yds 12 TDs

Jonas had an outside shot at 1,000 yards had he not missed the final two games due to injury.
 

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I am also concerned about the lack of it but we still seem to be scoring more points than ever under Kelly right now ( for several reasons anyway) but when has NDs running game been anything more than pedestrian? Riddick In 2012 is the only RB I recall ever really producing under BK.

2011, Wood and Gray were a dynamic tandem. Had it not been for Gray's knee injury late in the year, they would have both eclipsed 1,000 yards rushing. After Gray went down, the offense took a huge step back that year. You could tell how ineffective the run game was after Gray got hurt against BC. The offense had probably their 3 worse rushing games against BC, Stanford and Florida State that year.
 
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I did not forget about them. My point is that the 2012 running game was the most productive under Kelly. With that being said Riddick, the most productive RB of the most productive season in 2012 is the only Rb to fully grasp the scheme and do what BK wants all of his RBs to do. BK ays all the time the Folston and GB do not do all of the duties right which is why Cam gets the carries he does. Maybe it's not all on the OL? Maybe it is scheme? RBs not doing their jobs consistently enough to cement a role like Riddick?

The most rushing yards under Kelly is just over 2000 yards in 2012, then all under 2000 yards in 2013, 2011, and 2010.

Similar production under two different OL coaches. Similar production under Alford. Similar production regardless of the RB on the field.
 
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OL Needs Some Work

It's clear there is a problem with run blocking. Kelly acknowledged it today and said he will talk to Hiestand about it to see if they need to shuffle some guys around.

Another thing Kelly said today that might be relevant: when someone asked about the difference between 2012 and this year with regard to the running game, Kelly's answer was that that was a very different team because they were trying to protect a young QB by using two TEs, etc., to establish the run. This year he feels like he can put more pressure on the QB.

Doesn't mean there isn't a problem; just means that comparisons to 2012 are of limited value.
 
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Count me among those officially worried about the run blocking. Rice was average against the run last year, while Purdue and UM were both solid; but most of the advanced metrics agree that Rice and Purdue are fielding very weak defenses this year, and we still couldn't get anything going against them.

MGoBlog noted in its Notre Dame preview that Martin and Lombard was by far our most effective run blocking combo. Perhaps the loss of Lombard is more significant than many here imagined.

Q. I noticed last night you talked about opportunity to maybe critically evaluate your offense. When it comes to offensive line play, is it a matter of staying with these five and kind of going through some growing pains with them, or would you consider different personnel in the offensive line?

COACH KELLY: That's a very good question. I'm going to meet with Coach Hiestand in about 45 minutes and we are going to have a pretty in depth conversation. It will probably evolve around the five guys that played, plus Christian Lombard, and whether we have the five in the right position.

We're not going to entertain maybe one other player, McGlinchey would be involved in that conversation. But quite frankly, we've got to find a little bit more push inside, and that's what we're going to try to come up with. So we're in the process right now of kind of sorting that out ourselves.

Q. We had talked earlier in the week kind of about Everett Golson's pitch count as far as a runner; 14 carries, he was the leading rusher. Is that kind of your template, or is there more of a limit you'd like to place on him?

COACH KELLY: No, I mean, it's pretty clear the way teams are playing us. We're getting a lot of six for five, six defenders for five blockers, and your quarterback has to be involved in the run game. So if we're going to stay in our detached spread sets, the quarterback is going to have to be involved in the run game.

So there's probably four or five of those runs that should have been passes, and there should have been four or five hand offs that should have been runs. So we need to get better in the option game with Everett, as well. So he'll still be central to what we do in the running game.

I pulled two questions and answers out of Kelly's transcripts that I think shed light on the whole issue.

A) We are a zone blocking team. Not a man or a gap blocking team, but a zone. With a man it is easy; You hit the guy where ever he goes. With a gap it is like a western, where you "head 'em off at the pass;" a lineman blocks whomever shows up at that specific place, since the gaps are based off of positions determined by the original position sets of the linemen. Zone is another thing; it is all about being decisive, using violence, and making decisions. It is by far the most difficult scheme for a line to master.

B) This is why Kelly said they need more push inside. All you need to do to beat all but the best, at the zone blocking game is to overmatch and over-man on the inside gaps. Make it so there is no good decision for the interior linemen to make, so they can't move out of the area, or get to their second level blocking assignments.

C) That is why Golson, the wide receivers and the running backs have to do such a great job at their part of running a play. If they don't anything the linemen have accomplished is all for naught. And as a corollary to that, if the quarterback or wide receivers, keep making the same predictable mistakes, that makes the defenses job easy!
 
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says the guy who argued that the suspensions probably make our defense better.

anyway, I'm just as fired up as anybody about how good this OL is going to be once the season's over. It's during the season that I'm a little worried about - that seems more relevant.

I don't get this. At all.
 

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says the guy who argued that the suspensions probably make our defense better.

I don't get this. At all.

A reminder:

I agree. This all may have been part of the leadership disease last year. With Riggs and all the corner backs play this year we will be okay. Ishaq is replaceable. Getting Fitts would be ironic, and answer the question, "does he Fitts better in Williams spot?" Daniels, all the talent, little of the output. I can live with CBreezy and crew! I don't think they will miss a beat. I bet a dime to a dollar Brent eclipses Daniels overall, college and pro, anyways! Moore is Moore.

May end up being better,
because Seriously, I think the board is right, and I think Rochell is rising to the start. Trumbetti moving forward puts Okwara in play for playing where he needs, and we have Jay Hayes for depth.
 

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Honest question, when was the last time he took a snap from under center? I know spread offense it's not gonna happen but general curiosity.

The thing with EG is that he is not a running QB. He's a QB with mobility. I think people (not you) mistakenly assume he's a running QB. He looks to throw and will go through his progressions and before he bolts he will still scramble looking to throw before running.

I would definitely like to see TF and GB together on the field maybe toss Cam in the slot for different looks. Would like Smythe to get some burn along with Luatua. Mostly to give different looks. I've noticed more stacking of the box.

Now, that could be on purpose with Stanford and FSU in the next month but variety is healthy.


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I said this in 2012 and last year. We run much more effectively from under center. RB has momentum when he takes the ball instead of standing almost waiting for the hand-off. I think it was in 2012 against Pitt where we were struggling, then finally late in the game inside the ten Golson went under center and we pounded it in. Not the only time we did, but that one comes to mind.
 

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Purdue technically had four sacks but at least one of those were when EG ran out of bounds behind he line of scrimmage. Possibly two....
 

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Purdue technically had four sacks but at least one of those were when EG ran out of bounds behind he line of scrimmage. Possibly two....


You are correct. So that's three sacks. I still stand by that atleast one other sack, probably two were coverage sacks and EG held the ball to long. Tommy would have thrown the ball away, but Golson held onto the ball to make a play.


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A reminder:

This was when KVR was rumored to be returning to the team imminently. As noted by the fact that he was not mentioned in the "part of my post you quoted."

Just a little context for "A Reminder."

I am tired of the small minded bull shiit and internet commando's spoiling for fracas, here.

Of course "they" as in won't miss a beat was the wide receivers.

And as far as the defensive line. Trumbetti, Rochell, and Hill have shown more than anyone expected. Sheldon and Jarron are the best two defensive linemen we have had lining up next to each other in two years (understand that?), and Okwara coming in to start and scoring a game high 11 tackles, two partial sacks, and a forced fumble, is what? More than Williams has done in his career? Just kidding, but barely. This defense is better than anyone expected. It is better than last year's. And if just KVR were returned, with the non-suspended players, it would be far superior to anything put on the field in '13. Is that fair?
 
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So we're all pretty much in agreement that Elmer should be at guard?

Not really. I think our current problem is entirely at the current guard position. And unless McGlinchey totally torches Elmer, which he hasn't, that isn't what needs to be done. In other words it is busywork that will not provide a fix.

Q. I noticed last night you talked about opportunity to maybe critically evaluate your offense. When it comes to offensive line play, is it a matter of staying with these five and kind of going through some growing pains with them, or would you consider different personnel in the offensive line?

COACH KELLY: That's a very good question. I'm going to meet with Coach Hiestand in about 45 minutes and we are going to have a pretty in depth conversation. It will probably evolve around the five guys that played, plus Christian Lombard, and whether we have the five in the right position.

We're not going to entertain maybe one other player, McGlinchey would be involved in that conversation. But quite frankly, we've got to find a little bit more push inside, and that's what we're going to try to come up with. So we're in the process right now of kind of sorting that out ourselves.

Q. We had talked earlier in the week kind of about Everett Golson's pitch count as far as a runner; 14 carries, he was the leading rusher. Is that kind of your template, or is there more of a limit you'd like to place on him?

COACH KELLY: No, I mean, it's pretty clear the way teams are playing us. We're getting a lot of six for five, six defenders for five blockers, and your quarterback has to be involved in the run game. So if we're going to stay in our detached spread sets, the quarterback is going to have to be involved in the run game.

So there's probably four or five of those runs that should have been passes, and there should have been four or five hand offs that should have been runs. So we need to get better in the option game with Everett, as well. So he'll still be central to what we do in the running game.
 

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Coach Thiel wrote a pre-season article for TP's blog discussing some of the issues we're dealing with here:

If you’re taking the time to read this article you’re probably like me and frustrated with ND’s performance in compressed yardage situations (short yardage and/or goal line situations). While I hesitate to be hyper-critical of the team I love, the ND approach has been a bit limp-wristed in execution for my liking. Sure there have been exceptions for a few (short) stretches which were mostly thanks to Theo Riddick and Everett Golson, but overall the ND offense has been lacking in these situations. My interactions with other ND fans suggest that most feel like these scenarios should be addressed with a smash mouth running game so I will do my best to limit my comments to that phase of the offense. I don’t believe the problem is a lack of practice time dedicated to the running game, but rather a lack of focus on the running plays which can be successful for Notre Dame.

In case you’re not already familiar, there are three basic run-blocking schemes: Zone/Gap/Man. By play-calling ratio, ND has definitely favored the zone-blocking approach during Brian Kelly’s tenure. There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach at all. Zone-blocking can be a physically punishing style and the proof is in the pudding when you examine such offensive innovators as Chip Kelly and Urban Meyer who have had massive success with zone-blocking (Gus Malzahn combines a heavy dosage of gap-blocking with his zone concepts if you’re wondering). The problem is that you won’t find that kind of proof in ND’s zone-blocking pudding! I was baffled that Chuck Martin consistently went back to the well with zone-running plays in compressed yardage situations despite the general lack of success with the approach and the specific lack of a mobile QB who can attack the backside by reading the DE. Even during the ’12 season, Everett wasn’t “reading” anything about the backside DE so it still wasn’t a completely viable threat in the traditional sense.

To me, the problem with employing zone-blocking in compressed yardage situations boils down to the OL’s “bucket steps” in the zone-blocking scheme (“bucket steps” are where the offensive lineman will quickly take a couple of steps back or horizontally to get his body in a better position to execute his block). In compressed yardage situations, the DL and LBs can aggressively attack the zone blocking OL during these steps and blow the play up. Bucket steps are minimized on the inside zone play but the problem is again compounded by the fact that zone-running plays take longer to develop in the first place because the RB has to read his blocks and determine if the play should go out the front side with the flow of the blocking or cut it back and take the play out the backside.

If you’re not going to employ your QB in a fashion where he is truly reading the backside DE, then I definitely prefer gap-blocking in these situations. Gap-blocking is exactly what it sounds like, you get a pulling or trapping OL moving to an assigned gap to kick out the defender who is threatening that gap. Examples of gap-blocking include Counter/Trap/Power/Sweep plays. I can’t tell you how often I hear fans talk about wanting to emulate the “physical” man-blocking of Team X,Y, or Z when they are actually witnessing gap-blocking. Man-blocking is much more easily confused by defensive stunts, movements, and alignments than zone-blocking which follows specific, and easily taught rules that apply against any defensive alignment. The same is true of gap-blocking, as the defense cannot dictate the location of the gap you are attacking, only the location/alignment of the defensive players. With gap-blocking, you likely lose the ability to double-team or execute combo blocks that you had with zone-blocking, but what you do get is a much more “quick-hitting” play as the RB is following an assigned track with no read or decision to make. He simply follows his assigned track into the gap that the offense is attacking.

My hope for Saturdays this Fall is that we see an effective combination of both zone and gap-blocking. Our current zone-blocking concepts will be aided in compressed yardage situations by increased physicality among the offensive linemen (if that happens), true zone “reads” of the backside DE executed by the QB, and bootleg action off of zone-blocking which creates a run/pass option for the QB. Completing the threat in these scenarios should also include a heavy emphasis on gap-blocking plays which diversify the effective pool of plays for these situations.

We've had a fair amount of success boot-legging Golson out for run/pass options thus far. But Kelly has been unwilling to call many Read Option plays for him, likely out of concern for his durability. And our Inside Zone runs in compressed yardage situation are suffering for the reasons outlined above, which are mostly inherent to the spread, but have also been exacerbated by Lombard's injury.

So it seems like Kelly has two options: either (1) call many more Read Options plays for Golson, thereby increasing his exposure to injury; or (2) incorporate some Gap Blocking concepts into our running game. Though (2) may not be a realistic option if it wasn't featured heavily while the staff installed our offense during the pre-season.

FWIW, Warriner utilized a lot more Gap Blocking than his successors have. And from my limited reading on the subject, it seems like red zone efficiency is one of the few areas in which Oregon's otherwise prolific offense tends to struggle. Malzahn's "Power" spread manages to incorporate a healthy dose of Gap Blocking, which helps tremendously in compressed yardage situations. That's what I'd like to see going forward.
 

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I did not forget about them. My point is that the 2012 running game was the most productive under Kelly. With that being said Riddick, the most productive RB of the most productive season in 2012 is the only Rb to fully grasp the scheme and do what BK wants all of his RBs to do. BK ays all the time the Folston and GB do not do all of the duties right which is why Cam gets the carries he does. Maybe it's not all on the OL? Maybe it is scheme? RBs not doing their jobs consistently enough to cement a role like Riddick?

The most rushing yards under Kelly is just over 2000 yards in 2012, then all under 2000 yards in 2013, 2011, and 2010.

Similar production under two different OL coaches. Similar production under Alford. Similar production regardless of the RB on the field.

2012 may have seemed the most productive under Kelly from a running game standpoint, but you have to remember that some of those yards came from EG taking off when a play broke down. 2011 is probably more impressive because those yards came with Tommy under center. Despite having a pocket passer at QB we still had a 1000 yard rusher and could have had two. I've often wondered too if the success we did have running the ball in 2012 had less to do with Heistand and more to do with what Warriner had been building on for a few years. Since 2012 the rushing yards seem to be dipping, the holes for the backs are getting smaller, and they're being forced to make cuts in their own backfield more and more.
 

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My daughters 1st ND game

My daughters 1st ND game

I live in NJ so I always go to the ND games at the meadowlands when they are in town. I will be taking my 12 yr old daughter to her first game against Syracuse at MetLife. Super phsched!!
 

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Another thing that caused us problems was Purdues's two DT's were huge and played very well. #14 was causing the O-line to double team him pretty much every play.
 
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2012 may have seemed the most productive under Kelly from a running game standpoint, but you have to remember that some of those yards came from EG taking off when a play broke down. 2011 is probably more impressive because those yards came with Tommy under center. Despite having a pocket passer at QB we still had a 1000 yard rusher and could have had two. I've often wondered too if the success we did have running the ball in 2012 had less to do with Heistand and more to do with what Warriner had been building on for a few years. Since 2012 the rushing yards seem to be dipping, the holes for the backs are getting smaller, and they're being forced to make cuts in their own backfield more and more.

2010
Name Yr Pos G Att Yards Avg. TD Att/G Yards/G
1 Cierre Wood SO RB 13 119 603 5.07 3 9.15 46.38
2 Arm Allen Jr. SR RB 8 107 514 4.8 2 13.38 64.25
3 Robert Hughes SR RB 13 68 300 4.41 2 5.23 23.08

4 Jonas Gray JR RB 7 20 100 5 0 2.86 14.29
5 Dayne Crist JR QB 9 52 74 1.42 4 5.78 8.22
6 Theo Riddick SO WR 9 11 29 2.64 0 1.22 3.22
7 Nate Montana JR QB 3 9 25 2.78 0 3 8.33
8 Bennett Jackson FR WR 13 1 20 20 0 0.08 1.54
9 Michael Floyd JR WR 13 1 9 9 0 0.08 0.69
10 Tommy Rees FR QB 9 12 -2 -0.17 0 1.33 -0.22
11 Team 9 14 -26 -1.86 0 1.56 -2.89
Total 13 414 1646 3.98 11 31.85 126.62


2011
1 Cierre Wood JR RB 13 217 1102 5.08 9 16.69 84.77
2 Jonas Gray SR RB 11 114 791 6.94 12 10.36 71.91

3 Andrew Hendrix SO QB 5 25 162 6.48 1 5 32.4
4 Theo Riddick JR WR 11 14 63 4.5 0 1.27 5.73
5 George Atkin III FR RB 13 9 27 3 2 0.69 2.08
6 Michael Floyd SR WR 13 2 13 6.5 1 0.15 1
7 Robby Toma JR WR 13 1 12 12 0 0.08 0.92
8 Cam McDaniel FR RB 9 3 9 3 0 0.33 1
9 John Goodman SR WR 13 1 2 2 0 0.08 0.15
10 Dayne Crist SR QB 4 5 -16 -3.2 0 1.25 -4
11 Team 7 11 -24 -2.18 0 1.57 -3.43
12 Tommy Rees SO QB 13 31 -56 -1.81 0 2.38 -4.31
Total 13 433 2085 4.82 25 33.31 160.38

2012
1 Theo Riddick SR RB 13 190 917 4.83 5 14.62 70.54
2 Cierre Wood SR RB 11 114 742 6.51 4 10.36 67.45
3 George Atkinson III SO RB 12 51 361 7.08 5 4.25 30.08
4 Everett Golson SO QB 12 94 298 3.17 6 7.83 24.83

5 Cam McDaniel SO RB 12 23 125 5.43 1 1.92 10.42
6 Andrew Hendrix JR QB 3 8 41 5.13 0 2.67 13.67
7 Robby Toma SR WR 12 4 28 7 1 0.33 2.33
8 TJ Jones JR WR 13 1 8 8 0 0.08 0.62
9 Davonte' Neal FR WR 13 1 7 7 0 0.08 0.54
10 Tommy Rees JR QB 12 5 -15 -3 1 0.42 -1.25
11 Ben Turk SR P 13 1 -16 -16 0 0.08 -1.23
12 Team 8 14 -34 -2.43 0 1.75 -4.25
Total 13 506 2462 4.87 23 38.92 189.38

2013
1 Cam McDaniel JR RB 13 152 704 4.63 3 11.69 54.15
2 George Atkinson III JR RB 12 93 555 5.97 3 7.75 46.25
3 Tarean Folston FR RB 12 88 470 5.34 3 7.33 39.17

4 Amir Carlisle JR RB 13 47 204 4.34 0 3.62 15.69
5 TJ Jones SR WR 13 9 67 7.44 2 0.69 5.15
6 Andrew Hendrix SR QB 8 16 26 1.63 1 2 3.25
7 Greg Bryant FR RB 4 3 14 4.67 0 0.75 3.5
8 William Fuller FR WR 12 2 8 4 0 0.17 0.67
9 DaVaris Daniels JR WR 13 2 -4 -2 0 0.15 -0.31
10 Team 10 17 -26 -1.53 0 1.7 -2.6
11 Tommy Rees SR QB 13 11 -56 -5.09 0 0.85 -4.31
Total 13 440 1962 4.46 12 33.85 150.92
Based on these stats I see what you are saying about 2011. More rushing yards per game from fewer Rbs and Cierre wood got the most attempts under BK. But what I am saying is that the overall production per game is similar even though it is generated from multiple sources and that maybe BK is ok with that production and that is what they are scheming for. I see approximately 30 +/- rush attempts per game. Would he like to have multiple 1,000 yard rusher? Sure. The running game seems secondary though. It always seems to me he is much more concerned about the QB production and much less so the running game. Maybe its because of all the controversies but he always seems to address the QB position much more than any other.
 

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This was when KVR was rumored to be returning to the team imminently. As noted by the fact that he was not mentioned in the "part of my post you quoted."

Just a little context for "A Reminder."

I am tired of the small minded bull shiit and internet commando's spoiling for fracas, here.

Of course "they" as in won't miss a beat was the wide receivers.

And as far as the defensive line. Trumbetti, Rochell, and Hill have shown more than anyone expected. Sheldon and Jarron are the best two defensive linemen we have had lining up next to each other in two years (understand that?), and Okwara coming in to start and scoring a game high 11 tackles, two partial sacks, and a forced fumble, is what? More than Williams has done in his career? Just kidding, but barely. This defense is better than anyone expected. It is better than last year's. And if just KVR were returned, with the non-suspended players, it would be far superior to anything put on the field in '13. Is that fair?

See I respect anybody who’s making an honest argument, whether I think they’re wrong or right. The bullsh*tters are those who throw stuff out into a debate and don’t care if it’s wrong or right. I get annoyed by bullsh*tters in real life when I meet them in policy debates or when I have them in class, I usually don’t get annoyed when they’re on the internet. But I gotta say, on this board you’re just full of sh*t.

The full post that you wrote is #123 in the Rumored Violations thread, where you argued that everything’s fine, maybe better, without the suspended players.

When you write, above, that “This was when KVR was rumored to be returning to the team imminently”, you’re just lying. You’re full of sh*t. This was from 8/15, the first day when news broke out (in fact the first few hours after word broke out).

When you use the phrase above: "the part of my post you quoted" you are implying that I selectively quoted you to make a point. You’re full of sh*t. It is the entire quote, word for word.

You then try to misdirect by saying that you didn’t mention KVR in your post, so you must have thought he was coming back when you posted that. You’re full of sh*t. You wrote, word for word: “With Riggs and all the corner backs play this year we will be okay.”

No one is “spoiling for fracas”. It’s just hard to let some of your posts fly when they’re so full of sh*t. And then when you follow up by lying about your bullsh*t in ways that can be directly contradicted, it’s hard not to call you out.
 

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The Irish should be worried about their run blocking. Tougher teams await and if they struggle to run the ball, it will be tough for EG to throw the ball.

Lombard's high ankle sprain is worrisome. It's not usually an injury that heals up in a week or two. Given the fact that he plays in the trenches, his ankles will take an even bigger beating. That's going to be huge going forward if he can't go 100%.

Gotta run the ball to win the big games. The Irish OL has time to figure it out but those who dismiss it as something minor isn't being honest.
 

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The Irish should be worried about their run blocking. Tougher teams await and if they struggle to run the ball, it will be tough for EG to throw the ball.

Lombard's high ankle sprain is worrisome. It's not usually an injury that heals up in a week or two. Given the fact that he plays in the trenches, his ankles will take an even bigger beating. That's going to be huge going forward if he can't go 100%.

Gotta run the ball to win the big games. The Irish OL has time to figure it out but those who dismiss it as something minor isn't being honest.

It's been stated a few times but EG has to line up under center from time to time to give our backs a few steps and head-of-steam towards the LOS before getting the ball. Then the hole only has to be open for a split second. Lombard needs to heal quickly...before Stanford.
 
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