Offensive Line Thread

[NDdomer2]

So he's a bad hire because he knows coach Kelly and isn't harry? Got it.

 

[IrishLax]

I think any "named" OL coach coming in would want either a huge bankroll or possibly a doorway out with BK as coach. I think BK is tired. Like many here, I cant see him coaching in 2020. He brought in a vanilla coach who could keep it between the buoys for the next year or so until BK is retired sipping margaritas somewhere very much south of S Bend. I mean honestly, if you were a successful and proven OL coach, would you want to leave your current gig to tie up to someone who likely wont be there in two years?

BK isnt coaching for National Championships. He has to know by now that is just not ever going to happen at ND. Not with the restrictions in place there. At this point, I think he is just looking for a 9 win season so he doesnt have to dodge the eggs thrown at him and then shoot the gap.

I mostly agree. I think the Lea hire and this hire clearly are towards "continuity" to try to put a good product on the field next year for cheap. It's always perpetual limbo with BK ever since he flirted with the Eagles after 2012. Even with a successful year next year, he's through year 3 out of 5 in the extension he got. IMO, he's either going to leave on his own if he puts together another big year or he's going to be canned if he doesn't.

 

[snoopdog]

Anybody want to check out the stats on the Justin Frye lead offense line at Boston College

The 2015 season was a complete disaster and the 2016 was nearly as bad.

If ND hired him....that would IMO been a serious issue.

 

[BobbyMac]

You think his resume is better than that of Bob Bostad's?

I guess Quinn has certainly had a lot of success at lower levels of football but he's literally never coached at the P5 level or higher, ever. I'm not sure how that compares to a guy that coached OL at Wiscy for 4 seasons, before going to the NFL for 4 seasons. That's 8 seasons of experience at levels of football that Quinn hasn't.

First, let's kick out the NFL as being something positive or transferable, if that mattered, BVG would be leading a Top 5 defense out of the tunnel in 2018.

In regards to lack of P5 experience. Quinn's time in the glory days of the Big East was more challenging than the PAC, Big 12 & ACC once you take out the top two teams in each conference. They faced 14 Top 25 teams in '08-'10.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't do a good job, I'll be shocked if he didn't take notes every day while HH taught Sunday School.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

Although this isn't a flashy hire, I'm actually okay with it. He's been in the program, coached and had success under Kelly and on his own. Time will tell, but for now I am perfectly fine with this hire.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Although this isn't a flashy hire, I'm actually okay with it. He's been in the program, coached and had success under Kelly and on his own. Time will tell, but for now I am perfectly fine with this hire.

I think this is the boat ND fans should be in: doesn't look good on surface because of the connection, but no reason to be all up in arms about it. Wait and see.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Let's put it this way.....what top 15 team do you think would be happy to hire Quinn? His resume is one that Purdue might like, maybe even NC State. But there is no way Mark dantonio was banging on his door, nor Franklin or Richt. And forget about Peterson, Dabo, Urban or Jumbo. I'm sure Brown in Ann Arbor is digging up old tape as we speak to calm his nerves for september.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Im interested to see who we replace Quinn and Santucci with.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Let's put it this way.....what top 15 team do you think would be happy to hire Quinn? His resume is one that Purdue might like, maybe even NC State. But there is no way Mark dantonio was banging on his door, nor Franklin or Richt. And forget about Peterson, Dabo, Urban or Jumbo. I'm sure Brown in Ann Arbor is digging up old tape as we speak to calm his nerves for september.

That was my first question, too. If he's that strong of a coach, why didn't someone scoop him up?

All we do know is that he's tight with BK and obviously likes being at ND. What we don't know is who has come knocking for him in the past few years.

 

[dang227]

Let's put it this way.....what top 15 team do you think would be happy to hire Quinn? His resume is one that Purdue might like, maybe even NC State. But there is no way Mark dantonio was banging on his door, nor Franklin or Richt. And forget about Peterson, Dabo, Urban or Jumbo. I'm sure Brown in Ann Arbor is digging up old tape as we speak to calm his nerves for september.

Dantonio had Mark Snyder on his staff the last two years and he is a piece of garbage and he just rehired Don Treadwell who is an old cronie of his. Dantonio is the king of hiring YSU retreads.

 

[BobbyMac]

Let's put it this way.....what top 15 team do you think would be happy to hire Quinn? His resume is one that Purdue might like, maybe even NC State. But there is no way Mark dantonio was banging on his door, nor Franklin or Richt. And forget about Peterson, Dabo, Urban or Jumbo. I'm sure Brown in Ann Arbor is digging up old tape as we speak to calm his nerves for september.

I liked John Peterson from Pitt.

But he wasn't hanging out with Harry for the past 3 seasons, watching, learning, adding to what he already knows.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I liked John Peterson from Pitt.

But he wasn't hanging out with Harry for the past 3 seasons, watching, learning, adding to what he already knows.

I get it, but if it were that easy, Charlie weis should have had 3 natties by now or or being #2 IN the NFL behind Billy b

 

[BobbyMac]

I get it, but if it were that easy, Charlie weis should have had 3 natties by now or or being #2 IN the NFL behind Billy b

You know that's a bad analogy.

 

[NDdomer2]

Let's put it this way.....what top 15 team do you think would be happy to hire Quinn? His resume is one that Purdue might like, maybe even NC State. But there is no way Mark dantonio was banging on his door, nor Franklin or Richt. And forget about Peterson, Dabo, Urban or Jumbo. I'm sure Brown in Ann Arbor is digging up old tape as we speak to calm his nerves for september.

hasnt urban hired a few of kelly's assistants? i dont recall this fanbase begging those people to stay....

 

[NDRock]

Let's put it this way.....what top 15 team do you think would be happy to hire Quinn? His resume is one that Purdue might like, maybe even NC State. But there is no way Mark dantonio was banging on his door, nor Franklin or Richt. And forget about Peterson, Dabo, Urban or Jumbo. I'm sure Brown in Ann Arbor is digging up old tape as we speak to calm his nerves for september.

I agree. The same thing could be said about Clark Lea. I think Lea was a good hire for ND because of his familiarity with the personnel and the continuity with the system. Not sure a top 15 program would have plucked Lea for themselves.

Best case scenario is that Long and Quinn have built a good relationship and Long is happy with the choice. Same with the guys already on campus. This may be ND's best short term choice. I'm good with that because I really can't see Kelly lasting more than two more seasons. The next coach will most likely come from the outside and bring in a whole new staff.

My hope is that Quinn can recruit and keep the talent stockpiled. We'll see.

 

[Luckylucci]

No, Bostad was better. Significantly. I never heard from anyone I trusted that we had a serious chance of getting him though... I think his name being floated was a little bit of wishful thinking by some because it seemed like he'd be easily poachable from his current job coaching ILB. I also think there were concerns about scheme fit... he's never coached OL in a spread offense to my knowledge.

Fair enough, I thought it was pretty well known he interviewed for the job. But I guess I should say that I first read he interviewed for the job from Sampson who has some egg on his face from this. So not sure how much he actually knew

 

[irishff1014]

I can find anything on his recruiting numbers. I sure hope head can at least keep his head above water..

 

[Crazy Balki]

Just like Charley Molnar was going to help rekindle the bearcat flame in south bend.

Molnar wasn't Kelly's OC at Cincinnati. Quinn was suppose to be his OC in 2010, but he took the HC job at Buffalo. Molnar got the job because Quinn got a promotion.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Molnar wasn't Kelly's OC at Cincinnati. Quinn was suppose to be his OC in 2010, but he took the HC job at Buffalo. Molnar got the job because Quinn got a promotion.

He was the pgc though.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Let's put it this way.....what top 15 team do you think would be happy to hire Quinn? His resume is one that Purdue might like, maybe even NC State. But there is no way Mark dantonio was banging on his door, nor Franklin or Richt. And forget about Peterson, Dabo, Urban or Jumbo. I'm sure Brown in Ann Arbor is digging up old tape as we speak to calm his nerves for september.

Bingo. Quinn was a former HC working as an analyst and an assistant strength and conditioning coach. If he's this hidden gem, idk why he's never even been whispered about as any sort of potential OL hire at a meaningful level.

 

[koonja]

Notice the 2nd comment.

https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/955897486723485696

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Oh man, there are going to be some fire podcasts over the next few days!

 

[Crazy Balki]

He was the pgc though.

But not the OC, and that Kelly/Quinn dynamic was a big reason why the offense was so successful.

Point is that Kelly went to ND with the belief that Quinn was coming along to be his OL coach and OC, not Molnar.

 

[IrishLax]

Fair enough, I thought it was pretty well known he interviewed for the job. But I guess I should say that I first read he interviewed for the job from Sampson who has some egg on his face from this. So not sure how much he actually knew

Pretty much the entire narrative of "ND is going to go open up the bank to get the best guy! It's going to be an elite hire! No way Jeff Quinn is promoted!" was wrong. And all of that was reported/propagated by the same media outlet. Which is fine, sources get stuff wrong sometimes, it's inevitable. I really don't blame them at all and they are always responsible with their reporting. But obviously we need to re-evaluate everything we've heard from them for the OL coaching search.

 

[Luckylucci]

First, let's kick out the NFL as being something positive or transferable, if that mattered, BVG would be leading a Top 5 defense out of the tunnel in 2018.

In regards to lack of P5 experience. Quinn's time in the glory days of the Big East was more challenging than the PAC, Big 12 & ACC once you take out the top two teams in each conference. They faced 14 Top 25 teams in '08-'10.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't do a good job, I'll be shocked if he didn't take notes every day while HH taught Sunday School.

Just because BVG was a failure doesn’t mean that NFL experience is irrelevant to the conversation, of resumes. Quinn would’ve been an NFL OL coach if anyone wanted him to do so. Also BVG, was becoming a DC, not a position coach. Very very different scenarios in terms of overall responsibilities.

Objectively, I’m not sure how one could possibly think Quinn’s resume is better, without throwing out random caveats like “NFL experience doesn’t matter because (insert random reason).”

I don’t think it’s a terrible hire, but I certainly wouldn’t have made it. I also think the position didn’t attract the attention they thought it would.

 

[Luckylucci]

Pretty much the entire narrative of "ND is going to go open up the bank to get the best guy! It's going to be an elite hire! No way Jeff Quinn is promoted!" was wrong. And all of that was reported/propagated by the same media outlet. Which is fine, sources get stuff wrong sometimes, it's inevitable. I really don't blame them at all and they are always responsible with their reporting. But obviously we need to re-evaluate everything we've heard from them for the OL coaching search.

Sampson seems super salty about this. He created this narrative and his sources were very wrong. Now he’s getting fairly aggressive with his “I have no idea what they are thinking”, to combat posters questioning his previous stance.

 

[STLDomer]

Now that the stuff is full (I think?) is their an overall perception of who made the hires? Many seem to think Kelly had next to nothing to do with last year’s hires. What about this year’s hires/promotions?

 

[BobbyMac]

Just because BVG was a failure doesn’t mean that NFL experience is irrelevant to the conversation, of resumes. Quinn would’ve been an NFL OL coach if anyone wanted him to do so. Also BVG, was becoming a DC, not a position coach. Very very different scenarios in terms of overall responsibilities.

Objectively, I’m not sure how one could possibly think Quinn’s resume is better, without throwing out random caveats like “NFL experience doesn’t matter because (insert random reason).”

I don’t think it’s a terrible hire, but I certainly wouldn’t have made it. I also think the position didn’t attract the attention they thought it would.

My BVG comment was mostly tongue and cheek but I do feel the professions are so different that having NFL on your resume doesn't mean much.

What it usually says to me is... at one point I was sick of teenagers, recruiting, babysitting, academics and low pay so I took more money to deal with more mature players not burdened by school BUT... I failed so I had to go back to the grind of Saturday football.

I wasn't trying to prove Quinn's resume better by any means. John Peterson has a nice resume that checks my boxes, the three front runners that weren't hired left boxes unchecked (for me at least)

As far as there being something "less" about Quinn because no NFL team poached him from his analyst gig, wouldn't that go for your choice Bostad? He once had a Top 5 OL job under Bielema then (why'd he leave that job for) two quick flame outs in Tampa Bay and Nashville followed by a year at NIU coaching TE's and then ILB's in Madison. If he was any good, wouldn't he still be in the NFL somewhere?... or wouldn't he have walked into an OL/OC job at a P5 if not in '16 at least by '17?

 

[Luckylucci]

My BVG comment was mostly tongue and cheek but I do feel the professions are so different that having NFL on your resume doesn't mean much.

What it usually says to me is... at one point I was sick of teenagers, recruiting, babysitting, academics and low pay so I took more money to deal with more mature players not burdened by school BUT... I failed so I had to go back to the grind of Saturday football.

I wasn't trying to prove Quinn's resume better by any means. John Peterson has a nice resume that checks my boxes, the three front runners that weren't hired left boxes unchecked (for me at least)

As far as there being something "less" about Quinn because no NFL team poached him from his analyst gig, wouldn't that go for your choice Bostad? He once had a Top 5 OL job under Bielema then (why'd he leave that job for) two quick flame outs in Tampa Bay and Nashville followed by a year at NIU coaching TE's and then ILB's in Madison. If he was any good, wouldn't he still be in the NFL somewhere?... or wouldn't he have walked into an OL/OC job at a P5 if not in '16 at least by '17?

So because one coach was good enough to get an NFL job, but not good enough to keep it, he is worse than the guy that never got the NFL offers in the first place? Not sure I agree with that logic.

Also, saying “why’d he leave for two flame outs” is wild hyperbole as he obviously didn’t leave for those reasons. He probably did so to coach at the highest profession, which is extremely common for coaches and players alike. The difference is, he was given the opportunity to do so, the other coach in the discussion never was.

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

I can find anything on his recruiting numbers. I sure hope head can at least keep his head above water..

Did Heistand even recruit anyone other than O-linemen?