Offensive Coordinator Search

[Luckylucci]

If true, does it concern anyone we averaged 273 passing yards per game on the year.. And only eclipsed that average ONCE in the final 5 games?

Against the easiest part of the schedule? Yikes.

There is a lot more to it than that. Book's comp pct. over the last 5 was 63.3% and his yds/att increased to 8.04 both of which are increases over the first 8 games, which was 58% and 7.36 yds/att, respectively. He threw 17 of his 34 Td's in the final 5 of a 13 game schedule.

And, the weak schedule narrative doesn't work because at the time of playing, both Navy and ISU were top 25-30 defenses with S&P+. And we absolutely shredded both and a lot of their respective averages going in like YPP. In those two games alone, Book was 34/48 for 70.8% comp pct., 6 TD's to 0 INT's, with a yds/att slightly over 11. Those are truly elite numbers against two top 25 defenses.

 

[IrishLion]

To make Koon's original point look even more foolish:

Passing average in first 7 games (Long): 215
Passing average in last 6 games (Rees): 257

He's making a bad point, AND WAS WRONG ANYWAY.

Even if you took out the scUM game, the team still averaged better passing numbers under Rees. #TommyThaGawd

 

[koonja]

Let me add:

I'm actually LOL'ing at Koon trying to poo-poo the [passing] offense over the last 6 games of the season, which was probably the most offensively-efficient 5-game stretch ND has ever had under BK.

"We didn't even hit the season average for passing except in one game!" he said, ignoring literally every other aspect of an improved offense.

We played terrible teams with the exception of Navy.

 

[koonja]

To make Koon's original point look foolish even further:

Passing average in first 7 games (Long): 215
Passing average in last 6 games (Rees): 257

He's making a bad point, AND WAS WRONG ANYWAY.

So now it is the final 6 games?

And confirmed Rees was calling plays (this is not true).

 

[Luckylucci]

Let me add:

I'm actually LOL'ing at Koon trying to poo-poo the [passing] offense over the last 6 games of the season, which was probably the most offensively-efficient 5-game stretch ND has ever had under BK.

"We didn't even hit the season average for passing except in one game!" he said, ignoring literally every other aspect of an improved offense.

It's the epitome of cherry picking information to fit a narrative.

 

[IrishLion]

So now it is the final 6 games?

And confirmed Rees was calling plays (this is not true).

6 games if you include the bowl game.

"Sources" say Rees was at least in charge of the passing game, but probably more, post-scUM.

You tried to use passing numbers to post an alarmist take on Rees potentially being hired as OC, but the numbers don't actually support the argument you were trying to make lol.

 

[koonja]

It's the epitome of cherry picking information to fit a narrative.

Tell me when Rees was calling plays. Pick the game since it's a rumor anyway.

Then let's look at it objectively, factoring in that Duke, Stanford, Iowa State, and Stanford all finished with at least 6 losses and were outright terrible.

 

[koonja]

6 games if you include the bowl game.

"Sources" say Rees was at least in charge of the passing game, but probably more, post-scUM.

You tried to use passing numbers to post an alarmist take on Rees potentially being hired as OC, but the numbers don't actually support the argument you were trying to make lol.

They did when it was 5 games. Now apparently it's 6 games as of today. That does change the numbers because VT was a big passing game.

 

[greyhammer90]

Tell me when Rees was calling plays. Pick the game since it's a rumor anyway.

Then let's look at it objectively, factoring in that Duke, Stanford, Iowa State, and Stanford all finished with at least 6 losses and were outright terrible.

.

 

[IrishLion]

Tell me when Rees was calling plays. Pick the game since it's a rumor anyway.

Then let's look at it objectively, factoring in that Duke, Stanford, Iowa State, and Stanford all finished with at least 6 losses and were outright terrible.

So now you defend your (wrong) take by factoring in the teams we played. Quit moving the goalposts and accept the fact that you were wrong about the passing game being worse the last half of the year lol.

 

[Luckylucci]

We played terrible teams with the exception of Navy.

Continued ignorance is not a good look. Let's try this again. ISU was the 22nd ranked defense per S%P+ going into the game. We absolutely demolished a lot of their season averages in the bowl game. YPP, Yds/rush, Yds/ATT, pts/game, etc.

They were the 3rd best defense we played all year with a full 12 game slate of numbers to look at in the Big12. And, we had arguably our best offensive performance of the season. Tommy Rees as OC and playcaller.

 

[317Irish]

Tell me when Rees was calling plays. Pick the game since it's a rumor anyway.

Then let's look at it objectively, factoring in that Duke, Stanford, Iowa State, and Stanford all finished with at least 6 losses and were outright terrible.

And Stanford was terrible too...��

 

[koonja]

So now you defend your (wrong) take by factoring in the teams we played. Quit moving the goalposts and accept the fact that you were wrong about the passing game being worse the last half of the year lol.

My take was "wrong" because all I hear is this allegation Rees was OC "final 5 games". So I looked at the passing yards and it isn't a good sign when you look at YPG.

If it's now 6th game, it changes the numbers. You can continue to laugh at that but I was going off of your guys' rumor.

 

[IrishLion]

They did when it was 5 games. Now apparently it's 6 games as of today. That does change the numbers because VT was a big passing game.

Why would it ever be 5 games? I'm not moving the goal posts lol, there were literally 6 games after the scUM game, which is when the changes were made.

And even if you take out the bowl game, the averages were still better under Rees. So I'm not sure what your argument is at this point.

It's fine if you think there are better options out there than Rees (I agree with that, a lot), but to try and highlight the passing game as worse under Rees is just not correct.

And if your trump card is still "you can't prove he was calling plays!" then idk what to tell you. Maybe ask Freeman, but we have two mods and two other posters with sources saying Rees was at least in charge of the passing game after scUM.

 

[koonja]

And Stanford was terrible too...��

Yes. You disagree?

If 6 loss teams are no longer considered bad teams, we're truly in a new era of ND fan complacency.

"They're 6-7 but really not that bad!"

 

[Free Manera]

I think it is basically irrelevant what happened post Michigan. Even if Rees had full control of the offense, it is a small sample size against mostly bad teams. A 6 game audition is not enough. He didn't do install in the spring or summer, it's not his playbook, etc.

If he is the man for the job, based on his cumulative work over the past couple years, then so be it.

It seems to me that it is best for the team and Rees if Moorhead comes in for a couple years. Not just because Rees isn't ready (maybe he is, who knows?) but because Moorhead was an innovator. He brewed up the RPO secret sauce (Joe Brady learned from him, after all.) Rees could learn a lot, a la Brady, then take the reigns when Moorhead moves on in 2022.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Why would it ever be 5 games? I'm not moving the goal posts lol, there were literally 6 games after the scUM game, which is when the changes were made.

And even if you take out the bowl game, the averages were still better under Rees. So I'm not sure what your argument is at this point.

It's fine if you think there are better options out there than Rees (I agree with that, a lot), but to try and highlight the passing game as worse under Rees is just not correct.

And if your trump card is still "you can't prove he was calling plays!" then idk what to tell you. Maybe ask Freeman, but we have two mods and two other posters with sources saying Rees was at least in charge of the passing game after scUM.

I thought it was after the Va Tech game?

 

[IrishLion]

I thought it was after the Va Tech game?

I heard that changes were made after scUM, as it was a "come to Jesus" moment for everyone, but I don't often get first-hand information like other people around here, so maybe my source was off by a game?

 

[Irish#1]

If true, does it concern anyone we averaged 273 passing yards per game on the year.. And only eclipsed that average ONCE in the final 5 games?

Against the easiest part of the schedule? Yikes.

No

Tell me when Rees was calling plays. Pick the game since it's a rumor anyway.

Then let's look at it objectively, factoring in that Duke, Stanford, Iowa State, and Stanford all finished with at least 6 losses and were outright terrible.

Damn, I missed that second Stanford game. I guess we won?

 

[Irish#1]

Of course, nice dog and pony show though.

Let's assume it is Tommy. How do you know the position wasn't offered to someone else and they turned it down for any number of reasons?

 

[NDdomer2]

ND increased its passing yards post michigan to season average by 10% and by 20% to its average michigan and earlier.

I also compared our % variance to teams average allowed. On average for the season we were within 98% of the opponents passing yards allowed. We exceed the average post michigan and under performed michigan and previous.

There was a very clear improvement in the passing game post michigan. As using average against you can't just point to "bad opponent" as they are opponent adjusted.

 

[koonja]

So if you look at defensive rankings based on "passing yards allowed", the first 7 teams average ranking is 69, and we averaged 213 YPG.

The final 6 teams defensive rankings are 72nd and we averaged 214 YPG.

Yet somehow the OC was so bad everyone was offering to "pack his bags", yet the predecessor with no experience had virtually the SAME production relative to ranking, and we think we found a silver bullet.

Doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[koonja]

ND increased its passing yards post michigan to season average by 10% and by 20% to its average michigan and earlier.

I also compared our % variance to teams average allowed. On average for the season we were within 98% of the opponents passing yards allowed. We exceed the average post michigan and under performed michigan and previous.

There was a very clear improvement in the passing game post michigan. As using average against you can't just point to "bad opponent" as they are opponent adjusted.

False. See above post.

 

[NDdomer2]

False. See above post.

yards per game or passing yards per game? big difference.

we did not average 214 passing yards per game post michigan

I will say that the post michigan stats are highly reliant on performances against Virginia Tech and Navy tho.

 

[tussin]

Swarbrick should've just let Koon hire the next OC. He clearly has his finger on the pulse much better than BK.

 

[Luckylucci]

Using passing yards per game as the sole reason to judge, analyze, or make concrete decisions regarding your passing game, is beyond dumb. Sorry, but it is. Any HC, OC, QB coach, and QB would rather have Book's 284 yard performance versus Navy than his 341 versus VT.

 

[koonja]

yards per game or passing yards per game? big difference.

we did not average 214 passing yards per game post michigan

I will say that the post michigan stats are highly reliant on performances against Virginia Tech and Navy tho.

The freaking bowl game is killing me because you have to scroll down to see it on ESPN.

The passing yards per game is 257 for the alleged "Rees plays".

 

[koonja]

Using passing yards per game as the sole reason to judge, analyze, or make concrete decisions regarding your passing game, is beyond dumb. Sorry, but it is. Any HC, OC, QB coach, and QB would rather have Book's 284 yard performance versus Navy than his 341 versus VT.

If we can't use defensive rankings based on "passing yards allowed per game" to how many yards were passed for in that game, what are we even doing here then?

Of course no stat is perfect but that's as direct as it gets.

If I had to choose one stat to tell the story as far as passing goes it'd be yards/attempt.

 

[Luckylucci]

If we can't use defensive rankings based on "passing yards allowed per game" to how many yards were passed for in that game, what are we even doing here then?

Of course no stat is perfect but that's as direct as it gets.
If I had to choose one stat to tell the story as far as passing goes it'd be yards/attempt.

Then don't use just one stat, look at the entire body of work. And if you are going to use just one, use a metric that looks at a combination of efficiency and production.

Like, Yds/Att. And, if you do think Yds/att is more important then you'd realize we saw a significant improvement in that metric.

 

[koonja]

Then don't use just one stat, look at the entire body of work. And if you do think Yds/att is more important then you'd realize we saw a significant improvement in that metric.

It was split. 3 games we exceeded our season average (7.9), 3 games we were under that.