Oct 31 | Georgia Tech

[GTfan]

Yeah, I'm curious as well. The option was GT's thing for so long. It's a perpetually dangerous thing to play against when you only have one opponent that runs it.

This is true.

Although early on we had great success for teams like Clemson, UGA, etc with the option. In the later years not so much. Was it a scheme thing, or did the talent gap widen that much? Just felt like the offensive production wasn't what it once was the last couple of years.

 

[NDohio]

Yeah, I'm curious as well. The option was GT's thing for so long. It's a perpetually dangerous thing to play against when you only have one opponent that runs it.

Used to be there were plenty of high school football teams that ran the option and allowed GT to get some recruits that could play the option at the collegiate level. The number of HS option teams has dwindled down over the last ten years making it more difficult for GT to recruit option players. It could still cause issues if a team could get the players, I just think it is way harder to get kids to want to play in the option these days.

 

[Irishize]

Fortuna or Sampson on The Shamrock stated that ND’s first six opponents are among the 10 worst teams when it comes to turnovers. Yet ND isn’t the opponent responsible for most of them. Maybe they can pad that stat this Sat.

 

[Irishize]

I think for the most part people like Collins. A few are getting tired of his press conferences and his slogans. He repeats the same phrases over and over. Some have compared it to Butch Jones. So, he has to show he can start winning at some point in the near future.

Overall he is a high energy guy who is more of a recruiter than an X and O guy.

The majority are happy. You have the select few (I would guess somewhere around 5-10 %) who wanted us to hire another option type and stick with that. Most thought the option had run its course and were ready to see something else.

Collins and Johnson are just so night and day different in every aspect.

I get college coaches are super paranoid but he still won’t list his 2-deep to the media. I don’t think that’s what’s keeping GT from winning.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I get college coaches are super paranoid but he still won’t list his 2-deep to the media. I don’t think that’s what’s keeping GT from winning.

Does he quote Sun Tzu all the time?

 

[GTfan]

Used to be there were plenty of high school football teams that ran the option and allowed GT to get some recruits that could play the option at the collegiate level. The number of HS option teams has dwindled down over the last ten years making it more difficult for GT to recruit option players. It could still cause issues if a team could get the players, I just think it is way harder to get kids to want to play in the option these days.

We rarely recruited guys from option HS teams to be honest.

The overwhelming majority were from normal HS spread offenses.

 

[GTfan]

I get college coaches are super paranoid but he still won’t list his 2-deep to the media. I don’t think that’s what’s keeping GT from winning.

Another one of the things some GT fans get tired of.

We have an "ATL chart"

Basically, its who is Above The Line has earned the opportunity in practice to be able. to play.

It's annoying and never right.

 

[GTfan]

Does he quote Sun Tzu all the time?

Maybe he is telling our D that and they can't understand it. Could explain some of the breakdowns in coverage hah

 

[zelezo vlk]

Notre Dame is 28-3 since the start of the 2018 season. And they happen to play in Atlanta this weekend...

 

[NDRock]

Notre Dame is 28-3 since the start of the 2018 season. And they happen to play in Atlanta this weekend...

Thanks for that, just sent that stat to my Falcons friend.

 

[texbender]

Take care of your biz and stay healthy. Hopefully some time for the backups.

 

[Dizzyphil]

We rarely recruited guys from option HS teams to be honest.

The overwhelming majority were from normal HS spread offenses.

What's odd about 'Option' offenses...


When ND won the last NC in 1988, the only player on the team with over 1k yards rushing was Rice....


And the RB's were Brooks, Waters, Culver and Green as the primaries....

 

[Dizzyphil]

We rarely recruited guys from option HS teams to be honest.

The overwhelming majority were from normal HS spread offenses.

What's odd about 'Option' offenses...


When ND won the last NC in 1988, the only player on the team with over 1k yards rushing was Rice....


And the RB's were Brooks, Waters, Culver and Green as the primaries....

well... there also was the 'Rocket'....

 

[BeatSC]

Dodgers haven't won the World Series since 1988 maybe now we win the NC?!

 

[317Irish]

Thanks for that, just sent that stat to my Falcons friend.

Super Bowl joke?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Super Bowl joke?

Yes

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[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Jordan Johnson is working at the X position. That’s where Ben Skowronek plays now and where Braden Lenzy played. Aligned to the field (wide side of the field). Usually more free releases, less physical corners.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1321846427975372803?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I am not loving the idea of personnel packages with Skowronek and McKinley as the only two WRs. I hope Skrownak is also getting work at the W.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I am not loving the idea of personnel packages with Skrownak and McKinley as the only two WRs. I hope Skrownak is also getting work at the Y.

They do appear to be very similar in their skill sets. Seriously disappointed that Lenzy can't stay healthy and feel for him. Maybe they work in JJ a bit against GT and keep trying to advance his progress, see how he's looking next week.

I know Lenzy is listed on the depth chart but I would be shocked if he played. Need to let him rest and hope he can impact the Clemson game.

EDIT: Just saw BK announced Lenzy is out vs. Clemson too and likely BC. Ouch. Hopefully this JJ pull up to varsity is legit, he gets his academic issues resolved and can make some plays.

 

[stpeteirish]

Dodgers haven't won the World Series since 1988 maybe now we win the NC?!

Kirk Gibson's HR was on the night of our 31-30 win over Miami. What a day that was!

 

[Irish#1]

They do appear to be very similar in their skill sets. Seriously disappointed that Lenzy can't stay healthy and feel for him. Maybe they work in JJ a bit against GT and keep trying to advance his progress, see how he's looking next week.

I know Lenzy is listed on the depth chart but I would be shocked if he played. Need to let him rest and hope he can impact the Clemson game.

EDIT: Just saw BK announced Lenzy is out vs. Clemson too and likely BC. Ouch. Hopefully this JJ pull up to varsity is legit, he gets his academic issues resolved and can make some plays.

After seeing how he had to be helped off the field, I guess that's not surprising.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

After seeing how he had to be helped off the field, I guess that's not surprising.

Yep. I’m not expecting Lenzy back until the rematch with Clemson in the ACC championship game.


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[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Jordan Johnson is working at the X position. That’s where Ben Skowronek plays now and where Braden Lenzy played. Aligned to the field (wide side of the field). Usually more free releases, less physical corners.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1321846427975372803?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Interesting. Figured he'd be on the boundary side competing with Javon.
Oh well

 

[stpeteirish]

Interesting. Figured he'd be on the boundary side competing with Javon.
Oh well

Agreed. Think the four guys they'll use at the X and Y are Ben S, McKinley, JJ, and Wilkins. I don't see Wilkins on the boundary but that's where he'll be If Ben S and JJ are at the X.

Or course we may just play 4 TE's the whole game and never see either JJ or Joe W.

 

[Irishize]

Interesting. Figured he'd be on the boundary side competing with Javon.
Oh well

I bet it’s b/c Ben has been battling a hammy, too; so they want to be prepared as possible if it acts up again.

 

[Irishize]

After seeing how he had to be helped off the field, I guess that's not surprising.

He should probably take the rest of the season to get 100%.

 

[Irish YJ]

I bet it’s b/c Ben has been battling a hammy, too; so they want to be prepared as possible if it acts up again.

IDK. Skow looked pretty damn good last week. And while I love Javon, he's anemic in terms of separation downfield, and doesn't have the speed/hops/height to be a consistent ball snatcher like Claypool. Not saying a better Book can't make Javon more productive, but it is what it is, and we saw how Book looks with Skow.

Agreed. Think the four guys they'll use at the X and Y are Ben S, McKinley, JJ, and Wilkins. I don't see Wilkins on the boundary but that's where he'll be If Ben S and JJ are at the X.

Or course we may just play 4 TE's the whole game and never see either JJ or Joe W.

The depth chart shows Wilkins at both boundary and slot. Wouldn't mind seeing him at either TBH if JJ is Field. I'd really like to see Watts at some point too. Wouldn't mind see Micha in some RZ sets with Skow and Mayer too.

I'm perfectly OK with a lot of 2 TE sets. Mayer needs to be on the field as much as possible.

 

[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Jordan Johnson is working at the X position. That’s where Ben Skowronek plays now and where Braden Lenzy played. Aligned to the field (wide side of the field). Usually more free releases, less physical corners.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1321846427975372803?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I am not loving the idea of personnel packages with Skowronek and McKinley as the only two WRs. I hope Skrownak is also getting work at the W.

They do appear to be very similar in their skill sets. Seriously disappointed that Lenzy can't stay healthy and feel for him. Maybe they work in JJ a bit against GT and keep trying to advance his progress, see how he's looking next week.

I know Lenzy is listed on the depth chart but I would be shocked if he played. Need to let him rest and hope he can impact the Clemson game.

EDIT: Just saw BK announced Lenzy is out vs. Clemson too and likely BC. Ouch. Hopefully this JJ pull up to varsity is legit, he gets his academic issues resolved and can make some plays.

Yeah, just saw an article where BK acknowledged the WR group needs help, something we've known about for some time. Ben definitely took a bit step last week as a possible play maker, but maybe JJ can be the next if he's finally going to hit the big time. McKinley is great as a blocker, but too inconsistent as a pass catcher and can't get enough separation.

 

[GTfan]

https://gtswarm.com/attachments/1604022220893-png.9397/

Here is our "ATL" chart.

Here is our usual breakdown

QB Jeff Sims
RB Jordan Mason/Jahmyr Gibbs
TE Dylan Deveney/Dylan Leonard
WR Jalen Camp
WR Ahmarean Brown
WR Malachi Carter
LT Zach Quinney
LG Jack DeFoor
C Mikey Minihan
RG Ryan Johnson
RT Jordan Williams

*Deveney didn't play last week, no reason announced.
DE Curtis Ryans
DT Djimon Brooks
DT Ja'quon Griffin
DE Antonneous Clayton
LB David Curry
LB Quez Jackson
CB Tre Swilling
CB Zamari Walton
N Kaleb Oliver
S Tariq Carpenter
S Juanyeh Thomas

*Clayton isn't on the ATL chart this week, once again no idea why.

We play (try) a 4-2-5 majority of the time.

 

[ThePiombino]

Yeah, just saw an article where BK acknowledged the WR group needs help, something we've known about for some time. Ben definitely took a bit step last week as a possible play maker, but maybe JJ can be the next if he's finally going to hit the big time. McKinley is great as a blocker, but too inconsistent as a pass catcher and can't get enough separation.

But...but...isn't Javon a BEAST?!