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Problem is we're running out of quality wins on the schedule and I'm not sure we have any teams left on our schedule that can get us into the playoffs

Stanford, Temple, and Pittsburgh need to win their divisions. USC isn't exactly out of it either.

If Stanford won the Pac-12 and Notre Dame thumps them it might be enough. They're going to give Notre Dame a but of an asterisk for losing in a hurricane anyway if they're 11-1.
 

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Also I know all you on IE were thinking playoffs and national championship before the season. Realistically I was thinking more along the lines of 10-2 or 9-3 and that's still possible with all these injuries.


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A season is a progress. As you realize how much talent you have, you realize that maybe there is more her than thought. Even with that I was saying 10-2 this entire time. That doesn't excuse poor play from being upsetting. My expectations are being met. However, when you compete you never expect to lose a game, even if you think you're outmatched.

I think there is enough talent on this team to beat every team on our schedule. However, I don't have that confidence that they will.
 

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A season is a progress. As you realize how much talent you have, you realize that maybe there is more her than thought. Even with that I was saying 10-2 this entire time. That doesn't excuse poor play from being upsetting. My expectations are being met. However, when you compete you never expect to lose a game, even if you think you're outmatched.

I think there is enough talent on this team to beat every team on our schedule. However, I don't have that confidence that they will.

This is where I'm at. We are loaded on the oline. A top 5 RB. A top 5 WR. The best LB. Very good dline. Is there another team in the country who is as solid as we are at so many positions? To me, there's no reason we shouldn't expect playoffs at a minimum. I get we are down to a backup QB and RB. But we look more than serviceable at both of those positions.
 

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Just got home. I was holding my breath when Tillery went down. Honestly from what I could see it looked like he was absolutely blowing up or clogging the middle when we were showing a 3-4 look with him in the middle. When he went out it looked like we were going to more of a 4-3 look or we had Cage replace him in the 3-4...and that's when Navy started pounding the fullback up the middle. When Tillery came back in the defense took care of business again and everything was good. It seriously looked like night and day when Tillery went out and then came back in.

I was glad to see Jarrett Grace out there in the 2nd half. He looked pumped up, and he was making plays! Looked like they had him on the line like a DE without his hand in the dirt, he had some solid tackles.

Redfield was not doing well at all when he was in, from what I could tell. Farley was doing an excellent job coming up to stuff the run once he spelled Redfield, from what I could see.

Where was Jaylon? Not sure if Navy was running away from him quite a bit, but it didn't seem like they were calling his number a lot. I think Day and Martini were both leading tacklers at halftime if I recall. Martini was playing very well too, excellent in run support. Don't remember Schmidt getting his number called more than a couple times.

I don't know what to say offensively. I mean, we scored 40+ which is great, but I didn't come away feeling very impressed. I thought we looked better against GT's defense. We ran the ball well at times, but it felt like we were calling that delayed handoff quite a bit (I think it's the 2nd option /w the jet sweep) and it wasn't really there that often. We were getting good yards when we ran off tackle and got CJ out into the flat, didn't see a lot of great holes in the middle though. I was glad to see Robinson get some receptions, he looked a little more confidant out there. Kizer played pretty well, aside from some bad passes. I'm surprised we didn't really try to stretch the field, wasn't Navy missing one of their better corners? Seems like this would have been a good game to launch balls to Fuller.

Navy linemen are getting bigger! I guess they don't have the same PT requirements like the rest of the cadets do, it used to be that had to still do all the running and such. There were some big boys playing for Navy, I'm talking dudes with rolls, you didn't see that very much 5-10 years ago.
 

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I'll agree and I don't take it to heart. It just is what it is. This was supposed to be the deepest team with the best leadership we've had in a very long time. Yet we have massive lapses in judgement and find insane solace in beating bad teams. I was a Debbie downer against UMASS, them Clemson happens. I'll be a Debbie downer now and hope we play well enough to beat a good team, which we haven't down this entire season. I really don't like to purposefully be negative but this isn't good football. Both sides of the ball have huge flaws but insane amounts of talent, so what gives?

Did you really believe that? It seems we're thin on the d-line, thin in the secondary, danger thin at QB and RB right now...

I'm very very happy with this team. I had them pegged at 8-4 going into the season and now I think we get 10+.
 

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We got a lot of work to do to compete with elite teams we're still not on the same planet as legit top five teams

Problem is we're running out of quality wins on the schedule and I'm not sure we have any teams left on our schedule that can get us into the playoffs

Name one legit top 5 team this year... Utah? I don't think anyone else in the country has been consistently dominant.
 

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The defense coming out slow is soooooo old.

I dont want to bag on Joe but it's time. He needs a head set. He clearly is not where we need our MLB to be. I believe I saw him ....bounce.... off Tago during a run.

Like he hit Tago and rebounded away from him ....aerially.

I saw one play, maybe the same one, where Joe made a one-on-one tackle, and flew backwards from the impact. The Navy ball carrier did go down, but, damn. Someone feed Schmidt some protein shakes or put some rocks in his shoulder pads.
 

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BRIAN KELLY: Well we're excited about the victory against a very good Navy football team. They challenge you for four quarters, their scheme, their players, their coaches, they make you work for everything. It's a difficult team to play. We have a ton of respect for them. Not only for what they represent as a caddie me, but as a football team. Their scheme is very difficult, I think defensively that's the best defense that I've faced since I've been here at Notre Dame and again, I think Ken does a great job with Navy.
So, we're really excited about the win. Our kids put in a lot of time and effort and our entire team, our game ball went to Rob Regan who is the quarterback of our scout team that demonstrates the option and they did a great job of preparing our defense. I thought our offense did a great job of controlling the football in the second half when we needed to really keep our defense off the field.
So a lot of positive things, things that we got to work on, we had some good things in special teams and some not so good things in special teams that we got to get better at. We had a great kick from Justin Yoon, which was a great momentum piece for us, just before the half. We had a fumble recovery on a kick off and then we let a couple out that we got to get better at.
So, some real positive things in special teams and some things that we got to work on. All in all, a good victory. So with that I'll open it up to questions.

Q. Martini seems to be built for these games. Talk about his performance.
BRIAN KELLY: He's got a really good understanding of his job and he's a disciplined player, so when we ask him to do his job, he's going to get it done. He just fits really well with the scheme that we're employing and so it's just a really good fit. Very disciplined. He trusts what we're asking him to do. Again, he's one of the 11 guys out there that makes it work for us.

Q. And Farley, you kind of plugged him in pretty early. Can you talk about why you did that and what you got out of him?
BRIAN KELLY: Well him and Max were going to be interchangeable for us. We just felt like we went with Matthias and we could have gone either way with that. And we gave Max a chance to start and we wanted to see Matthias, too. And then as the game kind of unfolded, we just stayed with Matthias. But both of them practiced hard all week, it was really just probably a little bit of a preference with a veteran player more so than anything else of the.

Q. Two part question. First half they had 97 yards rushing on 11 carries at the fullback position. Second half 37 yards on 10 carries. What was it that was giving you some issues in the first half and what was the adjustment in the second half? Execution, scheme, what was going on there?
BRIAN KELLY: Well, both. We couldn't get to the fullback. The fullback was hitting wider than ‑‑ we couldn't get our backer, we couldn't get our five technique down. So, consequently when we tried to get into our front that put our Sam and our Will on the dive, we just couldn't get there and they were not running it to Jaylon, they were running it to James Onwualu's side. They obviously checked away from Jaylon every time and James was trying to get down to tan he was getting knocked off. So we went with grace in the second half, a bigger body and he was able to get himself down on to that fullback a little bit better in the second half.
So, it was a little bit of scheme, and it was a little bit of execution. They keep prodding and looking for opportunities to run their offense and that was one of the areas where they thought that they could get the fullback through. And then did effectively and we made some adjustments.

Q. With C.J., you guys were getting the ball to him in some different ways. Is that sort of a maturation of him and the offense or was it something specific to what you saw from Navy?
BRIAN KELLY: They run a lot of two shell and it was really trying to find different ways to get him on the perimeter. And they fire a lot of their edge players. So, sometimes it's a matter of trying to build some speed and get him to the perimeter. Either by putting a tight end on the edge of your offense or by trying to get some of the hand off sweep action and get him out side of some of that edge pressure. So, again, just trying to get one of our skill players on the edge of their defense was part of our plan.

Q. Is that the reason you guys have been running a lot of the power read with the jet sweeps a little bit slower developing. Is that the reason you did that?
BRIAN KELLY: Yeah, because of their shell, again, we felt like we needed to get the ball out on the perimeter quicker and then we wanted Kizer's stats to look a lot better.
(Laughter.)
No, I'm just kidding about that.

Q. Their first series offensively they had success and then after that you kind of shut them down. What, how concerned were you with another first series success and then what did you do to shut them down?
BRIAN KELLY: Well, again, it goes kind of to the question that was asked earlier, their fullback was hitting wider and we knew that that was going to be the thing that we needed to stop. On that particular long run, we just over ran the play. We had our safety right there as an unblocked hat and we simply did not execute. So the long run that they had, the quarterback, we were in a position where we just did not execute on that play. And then they came back and our corner, they cracked inside, our corner's supposed to replace on the second play for a touchdown and just did not fill the way he should have. So, we weren't that concerned on those two plays, other than they scored so quickly and all right, here we go, off to a poor start. But I thought we responded very well offensively. And I think that response is scoring right away, kind of settled everybody down.

Q. With all the reviews all the long timeouts, how hard is it to get into a rhythm and stay functioning?
BRIAN KELLY: It was difficult. I don't remember as many reviews as we had today. Some of them seemed to be appropriate, I guess. It would be hard for me to really comment, I would have to go back and look at each one of them individually, but boy it just seemed lake a lot of them and of course we have got TV timeouts as well it just seemed hard to get into a rhythm.

Q. You touched on the momentum you guys got from Justin's field goal to end the first half. What did that do going into the lock room, just the overall tenor of the team at halftime?
BRIAN KELLY: It wasn't like giddy, yeah, yeah, we got this thing, you know. I think it was just we were excited that we were able to execute our offense with 23 seconds to go. We threw a draw in there and my feeling was, let's throw a draw in here if we can pick up a first down, then let's try to run one of our standard double out cuts and see if we can get this thing close enough that we can get a kick at it.
C.J. hit a nice run in there, that gave us an opportunity to get the kick. So any time you can add some points right before the half, it gives you some momentum. But we knew we were in for two more long quarters.

Q. Navy doesn't make a ton of mistakes, but you capitalized on both the fumbles.
BRIAN KELLY: Huge, huge possessions. We were able to gain more possessions in this game than any other game that we played against Navy. I don't know exactly how many possessions we had, but I think we were close to 15 possessions. We normally average 10 possessions against them. So I think those obviously meant a lot in this game.

Q. Yoon, you mentioned the kick, how much faith did you have in him from that distance and I know it was the end of the half but also how have you seen him figure things out as he's gone on here?
BRIAN KELLY: I think there was a point of conversation here a couple of weeks ago and I was very confident that we had straightened out some of his mechanics. He had a 45 yard kick down at Clemson that was a big kick for us. This was a 52 yarder, is that correct? 52 yarder. And kicked it well. We knew what his distance was in pre‑game. We always establish what we think his max distance was going that way. We had a little bit of a breeze there and his max distance was right at that number. So, we were confident that if the mechanics were good and the snap was good and the hold was good, that he could make it.

Q. Where did you think C.J. would be in this role at this point in the season? Has he met or exceeded that so far?
BRIAN KELLY: I think he's still evolving within that role. Missed a couple protections today. But I think what I like the most about him is he is in that learning curve and he's excited about every single day working towards being a better running back. So, here's a guy that's a veteran player that is embracing his position as a freshman, really, and learning about his position every single day. I thought his run late was extraordinary in the sense that we were backed up, he was very patient, waited for his tight end on the kick out block. That just takes so much patience and trust in an offensive lineman and for him to show and exhibit that I just think speaks volumes of the kind of player he is.

Q. Now that the option's out of sight out of mind until next year at least.
BRIAN KELLY: Thank God.
(Laughter.)

Q. How would you evaluate the total work from the off season with Bob Elliott to the scout team the last couple weeks to the defense's overall response?
BRIAN KELLY: Very pleased. Very pleased. I think there's always things that we can work on to get better but I think we have established something that I wanted to establish and that is a base way of playing the option teams and something that we can carry with us and something that can be repeat able that we can work on in the spring and keep our guys familiar with our system as we defend option. I think that that's what we ‑‑ we wanted to win both games, that was first and foremost, and in whatever fashion, if we won by 1 that would have been fine with me. And then have a system in place that's repeat able and that we can come back to each and every year.

Q. Have you ever in your career given a game ball to a scout team player?
BRIAN KELLY: I can't remember one, but I was sure happy to give one to him. That's for certain.

Q. A lot of times when adversity hits on the field you guys really have a quick response. Whether it's go down early or being aggressive right before halftime. The ability to turn around things quickly with a positive response, where does that come from? Is it leadership, maturity? Where does that come from on this team because it's shown up in multiple games.
BRIAN KELLY: I would agree with the kind of personalities that we have, the leadership, they do not carry that with them very long. They have ‑‑ well they have one of two ways ‑‑ no, come in. Come in. That's Dominic, he's one of our graduate assistants. He's a heck of a guy. He'll be running the hill tomorrow, so.
They just have a resiliency to them, but I would say the answer to your question specifically, they just have a way of getting back to work quickly. They don't, every time there's been any kind of sense of adversity, they go right back to work. If somebody got hurt they get back to work. If there's, like in our loss to Clemson there was a great deal of disappointment, but they were so professional this week and in the manner that they went back to work. I think that has everything to do with the kind of leaders we have in the lock room.

Q. Building off that, coming off the loss, did you get the response you wanted from the guys, not only during the week but also today that you wanted to see?
BRIAN KELLY: We beat a very good team by 17 points. I think that's a validation. I thought we prepared ‑‑ and I was saying this to Coach Elliott prior to the game, I thought we had a great week of practice, I thought we prepared very well and we were just talking back and forth, I said I don't know what else to do. I was so pleased with the way that they were focused, during the week, preparing for Navy, not worrying about anything else. They weren't talking about last week, they weren't talking about USC, they were focused on playing this football team. And that's really all you can ask for as a coach. I thought their focus was outstanding. And it paid off.

Q. Going back to C.J., was a game like this important for him confidence‑wise after last week's struggles to bounce back and have another big game?
BRIAN KELLY: I don't know that he felt like he struggled as much as we struggled collectively at times running the football. But there was circumstances there that were difficult to run the football. We knew today was going to be a better opportunity to run the football by the way they designed their defense.
 

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Stone Cold Lock of the Week of the Century:

Robinson is going to be targeted for a deep ball on the first possession, maybe even the first play. He will go up and catch it with authority over the defenders.

I'll give you 1-1 on it happening during first possession (2-1 if on 1st play) if you want to make it interesting...

2 Trillion vBucks on it. Which is nearly half of my MASSIVE bank roll. Confidence baby!

I would take that bet, but...well, I don't know how to break this to you....you only have v$4,972,391,353.60 which is roughly 1,995,000,000,000.00 short of your proposed bet lol.

Do you want to make a 2 BILLION vBet?

No I'm taking a loan.


Yes, that's what I meant.

LMAO, OK you're on. $2Bv bet (1/1 on 1st possession deep pass to CR; 2/1 if on 1st play from scrimmage). Question: how are we defining "deep pass"? 30+ yards?

Yeah, 30+ yard completion (officially according to the stats, I wouldn't argue "but it went 30 yards in the air!" or anything like that).

Now that it's official, Robinson probably doesn't see the field on the first drive.

Hah! I'll sweeten the deal- 30 yard completion in the stats OR 50 yard attemp - and we can eyeball that one. Just to make it extra interesting lol

That sounds good to me.

I'm really hoping that I know BK as well as I think and that he's going to try and get CRob back on track immediately.

I hope you're right as well. Whatever's good for the goose...

Sooooo the good news is we had a CRob sighting yesterday. The bad news...well, you know the bad news. :makeadeal
 
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I know it's "tradition" and all of that, but I wouldn't lose a single second of sleep if we never played Navy ever again. There is nothing to be gained by playing Navy, nothing. We can only at best leave the game neutral if we blow them out. Anything less than a blowout and it is an embarrassment. I don't care that this "is a really good Navy team," no one in the country perceives it that way so we're hurting ourselves.

I'm sure someone will come along and say "oh we owe theme for keeping our program alive 90 years ago, blah blah blah." Well guess what, we've been keeping their program alive for decades so I'd say we're even on that ledger. Play them next year and then drop them as an annual game.

This isn't an overreaction to this game either, I've been of this mindset for about 7 or 8 years now. We play them close and exhaust ourselves every year. I'm not sure if we have a season ending injury yet, but that's coming because Navy and their cheapass cut blocks ensure it.

As for my thoughts on this specific game:
1) run the godd*mn ball!

2) lets not have Kizer throw anymore out routes. If they don't get intercepted he throws horrible incompletions. It is not a throw he has ever shown any consistency.

This Navy team is by far the best ND has played in the last fifty years. Navy has achieved massive improvements in player talent and development under Ken Niumatalolo. So much so that I don't think it is an issue as to whether this is ND's best team based upon the expected outcome of the game.

This Navy team could go 12-1, win their conference, and line up for a pretty decent bowl game. They certainly should be rated.

And ND once again made the adjustments to get it done running away.

If Texas starts and GT rights it's ship (way too much arrogance), with Navy doing well, ND's strength of schedule could start looking a lot better.

I agree with two coaching flaws, the approach to the running game, and leaving CJ, DK, and some other starters in to long.

Generally, I think the fan base is too critical of those players that don't have a lot of experience, having limited starts.

I don't think there is a whole lot worthwhile to criticize about DeShone Kizer. His footwork needs more consistency, and a few other things need to change, but the kid is making corrections every week. He had more tough throws right on target this week than ever before.

I believe his extending the play, finding and connecting with Will Fuller was a watershed event. And those of you who have stated this are absolutely right. If the coaching staff doesn't let him roll, they are crazy.

The same could be said about CJ. So much could be done to both iron our a few inconsistencies in the run game, and tailor it to his skill set that it isn't funny; it is comical!

I am among the minority that think we should keep Navy on the schedule, because of :
Who we are;
One positive think BK/BVG have done - figure out how to defend the option;
The centerpiece of BK responding to everyone's cut block bitching with a reaction of, "WAH!" helps build team brolic;
Navy is going to beat the shit out of others more and more under Ken Niumatalolo, and Kelly has Niumatalolo's number!

Come on everyone. Compare yesterday's game to ND's performance five years ago, or even three or four years ago. We had no major injuries, and we made it a non-game starting with the second half whistle! (As opposed to our defense two years ago where our defensive linemen were encouraged to stand up and be passive!)
 
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Maybe, but he does seem to be in our corner. I like him in the booth!

Agreed! I thought he did a great job yesterday, except the time he confused Navy and Notre Dame. Seriously!

And I don't get the ire with the little guy! He is an improvement over MM. MM just doesn't have the personality, or the delivery; he could be talking about getting laid by the woman of his dreams, and he would still sound dour and picayune!
 

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Navy quarterback Keenan Reynolds has broken the all-time NCAA rushing touchdowns record with a 4-yard score against SMU.

The senior now has 78 career rushing touchdowns, breaking the record previously held by former Wisconsin running back Montee Ball
 

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Navy quarterback Keenan Reynolds has broken the all-time NCAA rushing touchdowns record with a 4-yard score against SMU.

The senior now has 78 career rushing touchdowns, breaking the record previously held by former Wisconsin running back Montee Ball

American! Love that guy...unless he's playing ND
 

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Does Luke have to leave for a play because the WR ripped his helmet off?
 

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Turning this into the Wake game thread i see

Thanks I couldn't find it in the ND thread so went to the Front Page to see what Thread was up top. I moved them to the Wake thread.

As for the helmet question I'll leave it so ff1014 response doesn't look like an error on his part.

I've got too many windows open.
 
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Navy football: New uniforms and custom helmets for each position - College Football - SI.com

Probably the coolest helmets in sports history. Each position group will be assigned a different distinct ship type: Quarterbacks- Aircraft Carriers "the ultimate decision makers".

Bad@ss......

Cool concept but I doubt any helmet will ever top these Navy lids...

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Get Ws against Navy and Army in the next two weekends, then they're at 5-5 and you gotta stew going heading in against Virginia Tech and USC. Only need to go 1-1 to get a bowl game, and that'd be huge for 2017 considering how young this team is.
 
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Get Ws against Navy and Army in the next two weekends, then they're at 5-6 and you gotta stew going heading in against Virginia Tech and USC. Only need to go 1-1 to get a bowl game, and that'd be huge for 2017 considering how young this team is.



You have a typo...they would be 5-5.


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Get Ws against Navy and Army in the next two weekends, then they're at 5-5 and you gotta stew going heading in against Virginia Tech and USC. Only need to go 1-1 to get a bowl game, and that'd be huge for 2017 considering how young this team is.

I hear ya. If our defense can build on today's game, and (I know Miami's OL sucks but) keep finding ways to get at the quarterback, limit or erase our Special Teams blunders plus play all four quarters of our sexy offensive scheme, as opposed to just one or two quarters of it then call nonsense plays, we have a good shot at being really successful the rest of our reg season and hopefully earn a decent bowl game. Let's get our young guys as much time on the field as possible and hang on to our recruits.
 

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Get Ws against Navy and Army in the next two weekends, then they're at 5-5 and you gotta stew going heading in against Virginia Tech and USC. Only need to go 1-1 to get a bowl game, and that'd be huge for 2017 considering how young this team is.
I, for one, would be very happy with the resolve the team shows to get to this point. Says just as much about Kelly and the program as the losses IMO. Would feel very optimistic about next year and getting to double digit wins with setting up for a playoff run in '18
 
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