Obamacare

[A Pac]

This is nuts. People are reporting that both sides are winning and that it is being upheld and shut down. Thoughts?

 

[JadeBrecks]

This is nuts. People are reporting that both sides are winning and that it is being upheld and shut down. Thoughts?

This is the beginning of the government being able to make you live their way. All they have to do is label the penalty a "tax" and according to the piece of crap justices the government gets to run your life.

 

[ChiRish]

It's upheld. Interesting that it was Roberts who joined the left for the opinion, when he could have authored it on the conservative side as well, and interesting that he shifted justification for the mandate to the taxing power, not the commerce clause.

 

[ChiRish]

Law would have been unconstitutional under Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter because it was upheld under Taxing power.

 

[FLDomer]

This thread should be fun! Where is K1ssme1m1r1sh ???

 

[ab2cmiller]

But I thought Obama said it wasn't a tax? Oh that's right, I think part of the time they were saying it was a tax, except when it wasn't convenient for their argument, at that point it was no longer a tax.

 

[Irish4Life09]

f*ck the u.s. government

 

[NDFan4Life]

f*ck the u.s. government

Agree 1000%.

 

[DSully1995]

This is the beginning of the government being able to make you live their way. All they have to do is label the penalty a "tax" and according to the piece of crap justices the government gets to run your life.

They already force car insurance...

 

[NDFan4Life]

****FLASHBACK****

Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax - ABC News

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Great day to be an American!!! After the immigration ruling and now this. Wonderful to be part of the USA.

 

[ab2cmiller]

They already force car insurance...

Not the same thing, they are forcing you to buy liability insurance. An apples to apples comparison is if they now started to make you purchase collision and comprehensive as well. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that, the government is probably going to try to legislate that next.

 

[DSully1995]

Well, if anyone on this board has pre-existing conditions theyll sure as hell be glad.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Not the same thing, they are forcing you to buy liability insurance. An apples to apples comparison is if they now started to make you purchase collision and comprehensive as well. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that, the government is probably going to try to legislate that next.

True statement. It also depends on which state on what is required. If i'm not mistaken in an accident in Florida you don't party for the other car. You want coverage you carry it. In Indiana you are only required to carry enough coverage to make the innocent person in the accident whole again.

 

[Cackalacky]

I dont think people remember the 90's at all. "OBAMACARE" was a republican proposal during Clinton's presidency as an alternative to Bill's "Universal Healthcare." The Heritage Foundation came up with the individual mandate as well as other items in the bill and they are as conservative as it gets.

Yes, people with pre-exisiting conditions will be happy about it passing, as will insurance companies who get several more million clients. Although a lot of this will not take place until 2014 anyway.

 

[GoIrish41]

Well, if anyone on this board has pre-existing conditions theyll sure as hell be glad.

Indeed!!

 

[DSully1995]

I dont think people remember the 90's at all. "OBAMACARE" was a republican proposal during Clinton's presidency as an alternative to Bill's "Universal Healthcare." The Heritage Foundation came up with the individual mandate as well as other items in the bill and they are as conservative as it gets.

Yes, people with pre-exisiting conditions will be happy about it passing, as will insurance companies who get several more million clients. Although a lot of this will not take place until 2014 anyway.

Yuo see thats where I find you wrong. The insurance compagnies were rejecting people alot, for pre existing because the costs wouldnt add up in their calculation, and still wont. I think insurance compagnies lose more than they gain.

 

[A Pac]

Semi-surprised that it passed. Hugely surprised that Roberts was the swing vote. Thought he would never turn.

 

[Irish4Life09]

I dont think people remember the 90's at all. "OBAMACARE" was a republican proposal during Clinton's presidency as an alternative to Bill's "Universal Healthcare." The Heritage Foundation came up with the individual mandate as well as other items in the bill and they are as conservative as it gets.

Yes, people with pre-exisiting conditions will be happy about it passing, as will insurance companies who get several more million clients. Although a lot of this will not take place until 2014 anyway.

I could care less who started it...republicans and democrats are all a*sholes.
It's hard to imagine how a normal American citizen knows more about constitutionality than our own Supreme Court.Very sad day for our country.

 

[A Pac]

What does this mean as far as funding goes now? I'm guessing that tax payers will pay for it but how else will we be affected? I guess only time will tell on some issues.

 

[GoIrish41]

Yuo see thats where I find you wrong. The insurance compagnies were rejecting people alot, for pre existing because the costs wouldnt add up in their calculation, and still wont. I think insurance compagnies lose more than they gain.

No offense, but f*ck insurance companies.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Yuo see thats where I find you wrong. The insurance compagnies were rejecting people alot, for pre existing because the costs wouldnt add up in their calculation, and still wont. I think insurance compagnies lose more than they gain.

This is exactly why our insurance rates will be going up. The costs will be passed on to everyone else. The only way that it isn't passed on, would be if the government stepped in and said we won't allow that (which wouldn't surprise me). If that happens, more insurance companies close their doors, less competition, prices go up even more, till finally the government steps in and says we will do it ourselves. Of course we know that anything the government does, is efficient and void of fraud and abuse. So smile everyone, this is a happy day.

 

[JadeBrecks]

I dont think people remember the 90's at all. "OBAMACARE" was a republican proposal during Clinton's presidency as an alternative to Bill's "Universal Healthcare." The Heritage Foundation came up with the individual mandate as well as other items in the bill and they are as conservative as it gets.

Yes, people with pre-exisiting conditions will be happy about it passing, as will insurance companies who get several more million clients. Although a lot of this will not take place until 2014 anyway.

That was before my time in politics. Do you have any links or anything to back this statement up? I want to make sure your statement like"operation fast and furious" being a bush program. Either way I don't care who came up with it who passes it or who had a hand in it. I believe it is wrong. I am for me providing for myself. I want to live my life without the government's handouts, mandates, or any other interference. I want to earn my money and pay my bills as I see fit for my family.

 

[Grahambo]

So this one time at band camp...

 

[DSully1995]

This is exactly why our insurance rates will be going up. The costs will be passed on to everyone else. The only way that it isn't passed on, would be if the government stepped in and said we won't allow that (which wouldn't surprise me). If that happens, more insurance companies close their doors, less competition, prices go up even more, till finally the government steps in and says we will do it ourselves. Of course we know that anything the government does, is efficient and void of fraud and abuse. So smile everyone, this is a happy day.

Ofcourse it ends up hurting nearly everyone for some peoples needs. Canada's looooking prettty good right about now....

 

[GoIrish41]

Millions more Americans will have health insurance. I'd say for them this is indeed a happy day.

 

[Cackalacky]

I could care less who started it...republicans and democrats are all a*sholes.
It's hard to imagine how a normal American citizen knows more about constitutionality than our own Supreme Court.Very sad day for our country.

I am interested to read the opinions. I am not ready to say I personally know more than the Supreme Court, but at its very core Obamacare is a conservative idea and business friendly. If you want far left healthcare, single payer is your path not this.

And yes, I agree our government is broken.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Millions more Americans will have health insurance. I'd say for them this is indeed a happy day.

But for those who already buy their own insurance rightfully with their own money and will now have to pay for those who don't this is not a great day.

 

[DSully1995]

But for those who already buy their own insurance rightfully with their own money and will now have to pay for those who don't this is not a great day.

You say this seemingly spitefully. the Pre-existing conditions people, all they want to do is buy HI, now they can

 

[Cackalacky]

That was before my time in politics. Do you have any links or anything to back this statement up? I want to make sure your statement like"operation fast and furious" being a bush program. Either way I don't care who came up with it who passes it or who had a hand in it. I believe it is wrong.

I will try to find the heritage foundation document that states this and also a link to the proposed legislation for the individual mandate. I dont know what you are talking about with the fast and furious bush thing.