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Pretty sure he did not play.
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Think he may have been inelligible then because I don't understand why he would not play with that many d lineman hurt.
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Let's not jump to conclusions about why, I'm sure someone will ask Tuesday.
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I have substanstiale reason to believe he would be inelligible, but I will wait till Tuesday for someone to ask before surmising. Sorry.
Probably because he was one of them! Do you recall him lying on the field recently writhing in pain with a shoulder injury? Early in the week it was reported it was minor and he was expected to play. He didn't. The UND recap does not list him as participating so why does that make him inelligible (sic)? Do you go to class with him? Do you know he got an "F" in a test? Cut a class? Or just assume anyone that doesn't play is inelligible (sic)?
Last night some people were whinning that the LBs were non-existent. Turned out ND played most of the game short one LB. They took out the DLB (Shembo) and put Slaughter in to negate the plays Price was making for WF. Most of the night ND played Nickel, 3-3-5.Shembo still had 4 Tackles including a Sack. Fleming has 4 Tackles, Te'O who Kelly said played on one leg had 5, Fox has 4. That's 17 tackles from less than 3.5 backers including one who limped all night.
Slaughter went in after the midpoint of the 1st Q when WF was on a sustained TD drive. I don't think Shembo reappeared until ater ND took the lead in the 3rd Q. WF had holding penalty to end the 3rd Q and had a 3rd and forever to open the 4th Q. They had to pass and Shembo got his Sack.
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Will you still be waiting until tuesday then???
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chasehounshell Chase Hounshell
i might have a temp of 200 degrees
Maybe that has something to do with it?
i might have a temp of 200 degrees
Maybe that has something to do with it?
palinurus, did you actually watch the post game press conference? What was the question asked?
Here's the link for those that haven't seen it.
University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site
The reporter's question starts at 6:57. I've played that part 6 times and still can make out most of the question. "Coach, ... problem with the pass game ... was it something Wake Forest did ... or the opportunities ... ?" There are words missing.
Kelly had already spoken about a gritty performance in the PC, coming from behind on the road, the offense, the loss of Cave, the great peformance by Golic, the flea flicker, and noted, in the past "it's been the mistakes we've had in the red zone, the fumbles, we didn't beat ourselves tonight."
You really found that exchange to be a poor representation for an ND coach? I'm curious, did you write a letter to President Malloy requesting Lou Holtz be admonished or fired when he dragged Huntley Bakich off the field by his facemask on national TV after he got a personal foul flag for hitting a opponent back after the guy had hit him? Or when he grabbed the jersey's of players to get their undivided attention? How 'bout when Joe Moore punched the OLs in the gut or the mouth at halftime to inspire them?
Contrary to your intro in your other post, below, NBC didn't present "the exchange", they don't include the reporter's question, did they? They only listed Kelly's response. By the way you quoted it out of context and without attribution.
The quote below came from Keith Arnold usual post game column, "5 Things We Learned:"
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The part you quoted came from Arnold's 5th point, "Let's hear it for the boys"
"Kelly was even combative" interesting choice of words, as Arnold didn't use the word "combative" before in his piece, did he? In the context of "Let's hear it for the boys" Kelly was complimenting the players for a gutty performance despite the injuries when an enquiring mind wanted to go in another direction.
"The coach doesn't call good plays. How's that?" was an answer. One of the two interceptions was on the Flea Flicker, a play Kelly called. A subject he had already addressed in the PC.
Took me a couple hours but supposedly this was the question:
The "reporter" was Bryan Driskell a.k.a. Coach D from ISD.
I was informed that Coach D is a Crist supporter in the Crist v Rees urinating contest but I don't know that first hand.
I used to swap emails with Bryan on ND football for a couple of years before he tied up with ISD. He wasn't a reporter then but an assistant football coach at a Div II or III school. Back then I found him to be pretty objective. I'm not a subscriber to ISD so I only read Coach D's freebies. I don't know if he's still objective, developed a journalist's cynicism, or has developed "a history" with Coach Kelly.
His question, as I mentioned early, as the lawyers would say, was "Asked and answered". It wasn't verbatim but it was dealt with. And for a guy who was ripped for throwing his players under the bus, Kelly stepped up clearly with, "The Coach doesn't call good plays." That's the second time in a year Kelly has called for a Flea Flicker and both have been INTs. Could Kelly have been less sarcastic, yes. As for being a bad representative of ND for that - ridiculous. Unless one has a agenda ... or a laundry list he's trying to expand.
As for the actual pass (I don't like the flea flicker regardless of who's the QB) I couldn't figure out if Rees overthrew a pass intended for Floyd OR if he underthrew a pass he was trying to throw away (arm strength ?) when he realized the coverage. In either case bad execution.
For the night, Rees completed 61% of his passes for 166 yds, 2 TDs, 2 INTs which was similar to the MSU game when he threw for 161 yds, 1 TD and 1 INT in an 18 point win over MSU. The 2 INTs resulted in zero points for WF which Kelly had noted earlier in the PC.
The "reporter" was Bryan Driskell a.k.a. Coach D from ISD.
I was informed that Coach D is a Crist supporter in the Crist v Rees urinating contest but I don't know that first hand.
I used to swap emails with Bryan on ND football for a couple of years before he tied up with ISD. He wasn't a reporter then but an assistant football coach at a Div II or III school. Back then I found him to be pretty objective. I'm not a subscriber to ISD so I only read Coach D's freebies. I don't know if he's still objective, developed a journalist's cynicism, or has developed "a history" with Coach Kelly.
His question, as I mentioned early, as the lawyers would say, was "Asked and answered". It wasn't verbatim but it was dealt with. And for a guy who was ripped for throwing his players under the bus, Kelly stepped up clearly with, "The Coach doesn't call good plays." That's the second time in a year Kelly has called for a Flea Flicker and both have been INTs. Could Kelly have been less sarcastic, yes. As for being a bad representative of ND for that - ridiculous. Unless one has a agenda ... or a laundry list he's trying to expand.
As for the actual pass (I don't like the flea flicker regardless of who's the QB) I couldn't figure out if Rees overthrew a pass intended for Floyd OR if he underthrew a pass he was trying to throw away (arm strength ?) when he realized the coverage. In either case bad execution.
For the night, Rees completed 61% of his passes for 166 yds, 2 TDs, 2 INTs which was similar to the MSU game when he threw for 161 yds, 1 TD and 1 INT in an 18 point win over MSU. The 2 INTs resulted in zero points for WF which Kelly had noted earlier in the PC.
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I did listen/see the interview; I, as apparently you did, had a hard time hearing the question. I had to infer the question fom Kelly's answer. And if you watch it, I think the normal reaction is "Kelly was kind of testy with that guy." I said I thought NBC's was an unfair description of Kelly's reaction, but I'm from the school that says a coach ought to try to avoid becoming the story.
Yeah, I remember the Holtz incident. I do not remember Holtz having a series of issues like this in a two month stretch of any one season, but maybe I'm wrong. We didn't have the internet back then, so coaches didn't get so much coverage. I'm talking public, not what happened in the locker room.
Bottom line, I said several times that my question is whether this was one more in a series of things, that I didn't see last year and I wondered if the pressure is getting to him. I didn't say that this one incident was an outrage.
Last comment, I am 100% certain that my history of being an Irish fan compares favorably, however you want to define that, with most fans'. I favored the Kelly hiring, and I still think he's a good coach and probably the answer. I think he's probably turning things around. It's a great sign that so many freshman are seeing time, many starting, and making a contribution.
Having said all that, it's a little bit strange to find such hostility here to a reasonable question. I'm just asking for views, and some people react with palpable anger as though I am a troll or a troublemaker. Maybe I don't understand this site, but I thought it was a place to discuss Notre Dame, and it's more interesting when that sometimes includes fair criticism, rather than simply talking about how perfect things are, if they aren't.
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BGIF, I can tell you with 100% certainty that CoachD has not been in favor of Crist throughout this whole thing and has been very objective about the 'controversy'. He has been critical of both QBs when warranted and has praised both QBs when warranted as well. He asked a completely fair and legitimate question. The problem was that it was like the 3rd or 4th 'negative' question in a row, from a media that wanted a blowout win and wasn't satisfied with an injury-riddled team that gutted out a road win against a pretty good team that was ranked at one time this year.
I wasn't a huge fan of Kelly's response, but it is being WAY overblown by fans on other Irish sites. It wasn't a 'tantrum', he didn't go off on CoachD, he didn't go on a 'tirade', he was just a little surly in his response (which again, I wasn't a fan of).
CoachD has been very supportive of Kelly in his articles, on the message boards, on Power Hour, and even in a face-to-face conversation I had with him before the USF game. I just think he asked the question at an unfortunate time, as Kelly by that time had had enough. I still think he did nothing wrong, and under different circumstances would have received a different answer with a different tone. Oh well...not a big deal really IMO...
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For the people that are pissed we only beat Wake Forest by a TD, I understand where you're coming from. But if you look at the past couple National Champions, they all had to gut out wins against inferior teams: Auburn - Miss St., Clemson, and Kentucky; Bama - Tennessee and unranked Auburn; Florida lost to unranked Ole Miss, etc. Even the best teams occasionally have missteps against inferior opponents. Was Wake Forest inferior to ND? Yes. But they're actually a fairly skilled team. They had quick receivers and a lot of our defense is injured. The good teams find ways to win, and that's what happened. I know it's been said on here a lot, but I have no doubt that one of Charlie's teams easily would have find a way to lose this game. I was very angry during the game, but after reflecting on it, to use a cliche, a win's a win. It's not like years from now we'll look back and put an asterisk next to the final win total from this year.
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I agree generally, esp. with the depleted defense; you can't underestimate the effect of injuries on the D-Line and Manti. On the other hand, I would have expected the offense would have controlled the LOS in the fourth quarter against an undersized WF line, but we didn't get that, either. Plus, it's a bit disappointing in that I had hopes they'd move into the top 25 with a trouncing of a 5-3 team. I know Kelly said he's not concerned about whether ND is 24th or 25th, and I understand that, but you aren't going to go from unranked to 15th in one jump, either. ND doesn't get many breaks from the pollsters, so you gotta exploit a break when you have one. I'd prefer to be 20th or so before the Stanford game. Not sure how you get there unless you lay a pretty good beating on a decent team.
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I loved his response! he was standing up for his guys! the reporter wanted to know what was wrong w/ the passing game...instead of talking players he said it was on him...all the questions up until that point were negative! he like a lot of us fans were just happy to get the win on the road! and came back when we got punched in the mouth to start the game. for all of those who think we should have blown them out....yes it could have happen but they weren't that bad of a team and even beat FSU who was highly ranked at the begining of year
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I also loved Coach's response. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I can't imagine that I could listen to the interminable picking away at my team that head coaches have to face. I used to love it when Bob Knight used to look at some of those guys as if they had three heads none of which worked.
Kelly's a human being and Thank God for that. He loves his team. He is naturally p!ssed off when people ask questions which [whether it was their intention or not] cast bad light on players whom he feels are doing well and making progress. Incessant grinding negativism wears thin. If there had been more upbeat comments by the press, I'll bet he'd have tolerated that question. The press has no concept whatever about the emotions and real concerns that a coach has at the moment. Hard-a$$es who unsympathetically say "it comes with the job" dismissively can go spin on a Pike as far as I'm concerned. Bless you, coach, and strength for the journey.
Kelly's a human being and Thank God for that. He loves his team. He is naturally p!ssed off when people ask questions which [whether it was their intention or not] cast bad light on players whom he feels are doing well and making progress. Incessant grinding negativism wears thin. If there had been more upbeat comments by the press, I'll bet he'd have tolerated that question. The press has no concept whatever about the emotions and real concerns that a coach has at the moment. Hard-a$$es who unsympathetically say "it comes with the job" dismissively can go spin on a Pike as far as I'm concerned. Bless you, coach, and strength for the journey.
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See, I don't agree, at least not about Bobby Knight-type temperaments. Thank God Kelly has more restraint than that. Once in a while, everyone loses composure, but for a guy like Knight, it was his character, and not a good one in my book.
My favorite coaches were guys like Vince Dooley and Holtz who kept (generally) their composure with the media. I recognize a lot of these reporters are lazy pot-stirrers, and it's true coaches today are way more under the microscope. I just generally think it's better if the coach turns away from it with a dismissive soft answer and doesn't become the story. Not talking about this one incident so much, because I don't think this, in itself, is a huge deal; in fact, Kelly usually does have pretty tame, canned responses (which made this incident unusual). Just saying, I think a composed coach reflects better than a Knight-type, who, frankly, always struck me as an mentally-unbalanced bully.
My favorite coaches were guys like Vince Dooley and Holtz who kept (generally) their composure with the media. I recognize a lot of these reporters are lazy pot-stirrers, and it's true coaches today are way more under the microscope. I just generally think it's better if the coach turns away from it with a dismissive soft answer and doesn't become the story. Not talking about this one incident so much, because I don't think this, in itself, is a huge deal; in fact, Kelly usually does have pretty tame, canned responses (which made this incident unusual). Just saying, I think a composed coach reflects better than a Knight-type, who, frankly, always struck me as an mentally-unbalanced bully.
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My comment related to those presscons when he was in fact cool-headed and in classic dry humor mode, not the chair-throwing incidents which nearly everyone deplored. Thank you for recreating my position for me. I should have been clearer that is obvious. Just another in the endless series of verbal errors many of us make.
To reiterate on topic: go, coach!! Show them that you care!!!
To reiterate on topic: go, coach!! Show them that you care!!!
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Defense Is Too Slow
Defense Is Too Slow
Plain simple Wake Forest first half had too much speed for our linebackers who can't maneuver fast enough in open space. So once again Slaughter was put in to add more speed on the edge. Secondly Kelly called a bad play last year giving up a easy FG and win for a higher risk pass. So his call having Ree's throw the trick pass for a intercpetion is another one of his poor calls. Finally let's not kid ourselves Kelly has a bad temper let us not make excuses for it we all see it. When I watch many of the college games on Saturday for the last few years all I see is speed speed speed and ask my self when the hell is Notre Dame going to recruit speed.
Defense Is Too Slow
Plain simple Wake Forest first half had too much speed for our linebackers who can't maneuver fast enough in open space. So once again Slaughter was put in to add more speed on the edge. Secondly Kelly called a bad play last year giving up a easy FG and win for a higher risk pass. So his call having Ree's throw the trick pass for a intercpetion is another one of his poor calls. Finally let's not kid ourselves Kelly has a bad temper let us not make excuses for it we all see it. When I watch many of the college games on Saturday for the last few years all I see is speed speed speed and ask my self when the hell is Notre Dame going to recruit speed.
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We are recruiting speed... let me name a few this year ronald darby 4.2 Chris Brown, Aaron Lynch, Stephon Tuiit, Ishaq Williams, Anthony Rabasa, Eilar Hardy, GAIII, Jalen Brown, Josh Atkinson, Ben Council, Ben Koyack. These guys are all incredibly fast for their positions. When I watch Alabama, LSU I see huge players who are also fast. That is what we are recruiting. Travis Thomas and Harrison Smith were fast linebackers but they were too small to really compete. The second Half they were not too slown we had a couple of huge sacks, pass break ups and smart plays. They are currently learning how to play fast.
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Exactly. The speed athletes are being recruited but that doesn't mean they walk on campus with D1 Xs and Os speed.. That stuff needs to be learned, ie Ishaq. When this kid is comfortable with his responsibilities he will be a nightmare to deal with. He naturally has the speed to cover the flats/edges, chase the QB down and keep up with a TE.
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No question. The D isn't super speedy top to bottom, but it's seen a big improvement in team speed (esp. in the front seven) over, say, three years ago. That's good recruiting by Kelly, and recruiting for his system. The LSU-Bama game (which I watched snipets of in between Sat. nite) shows how defensive speed makes a huge difference -- it covers a lot of mistakes. That's why a guy like Darby is such a great grab.
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Slow Defense
Slow Defense
From Wake Forest's opening series I was shocked by how fast they were and how slow our linebackers are in open space. So Kelly could get away with putting Slaughter in as linebacker since Wake Forest did not have a good run game. Once we face a team with speed who has a run game besides pass we are going to be in trouble. As it was Wake Forest blew it twice within the Red Zone so we were so fortunate. Plus both Kelly and Ree's got to go to Riddick and Jone's more instead of forcing balls into Floyd in double covrerage or looking for Eifert when Riddick and Jone' are open. It seems to me also in both the S.Cal and Wake Forest games we were not prepared and looked flat. I was really surprised how S. Cal on their first series came out on fire really keyed up and ran through our defensive line with ease. The same with Wake Forest on their opening series they were fired up and used their greater speed to score on us. Playing Slaughter out of position is a poor substitute for not recruiting more speed as almost every other college have been doing for years. If as some has wrote here Notre Dame is now recruiting speed well I hope so.
Slow Defense
From Wake Forest's opening series I was shocked by how fast they were and how slow our linebackers are in open space. So Kelly could get away with putting Slaughter in as linebacker since Wake Forest did not have a good run game. Once we face a team with speed who has a run game besides pass we are going to be in trouble. As it was Wake Forest blew it twice within the Red Zone so we were so fortunate. Plus both Kelly and Ree's got to go to Riddick and Jone's more instead of forcing balls into Floyd in double covrerage or looking for Eifert when Riddick and Jone' are open. It seems to me also in both the S.Cal and Wake Forest games we were not prepared and looked flat. I was really surprised how S. Cal on their first series came out on fire really keyed up and ran through our defensive line with ease. The same with Wake Forest on their opening series they were fired up and used their greater speed to score on us. Playing Slaughter out of position is a poor substitute for not recruiting more speed as almost every other college have been doing for years. If as some has wrote here Notre Dame is now recruiting speed well I hope so.
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To answer your question, I don't think this falls in line with the other incidents. When watching BK talk with the media, I think he is frustrated. I think he is annoyed and a little upset/angered by the negativity. When he came in he was a huge fan. This was his dream job. He knew that the ND head coach was expected to win and win quickly. I don't think he expected all the negativity even after a win. Yes, the question was fine to ask but he has made it known that he is tired of questions on negative things such as a passing game right after a good win. Before Navy he thanked a reporter for finally asking a question about the Navy game and said that guy would get first question here on out.
BK is setting the tone this year. Last year was about buying in and getting the team as one cohesive unit. This year, they were expected to play at the level of a BCS team. From top to bottom, he expects everyone to be damn near perfect. Honestly, look at our season and I think we are much farther away then he was thinking. Turnovers are just not excusable. Not even at the high school level. So yes, I will say I think we see more "emotion" from BK this year than last and I love it. He gets on his players for doing things he doesn't like and he will get on media members for asking questions he doesn't like. I am sure he would much rather not waste his time answering questions he feels are negative to the team.
I keep thinking back to the media member that Spurrier refuses to give any ammo to. Spurrier actually stopped a media session before it started, called a guy out on his article, and refused to meet with them until he was gone. It was pretty intense but I think the message was sent to everyone in that room. "If you want to write certain things, your not welcome here." Maybe BK was just doing the same thing the last couple weeks? If you want to ask questions that are negative or are off the topic, per say, he won't answer what you're wanting.
My $.02