Nov 30 | Stanford

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Not that USC's running game is that good but the pretty much shut the running game out last night.(23 yards) I think they will do the same to us. Tommy will probably have good yardage numbers but with come up with 1 or 2 ints. I am not sure how our defense will do against the their run game that is one of the best we will see.
 

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I'm not sure about that. 3 weeks is a very long time in the world of college football. Shoot, it's a quarter of the season. More than that if you include the week of practice before and after the 3 weeks.

I think we can all agree that since USC, this team has played very uninspired.


That being said, this will be Tommy's last regular season game. It wouldn't surprise me if he played lights out.

I disagree. I think they've played hurt, not with a lack of effort. Again, we had NINE defensive linemen injured or out against Pitt. We had Carlo Calabrese playing NG on some snaps... that's how bad it got. Yet Pitt still needed help on every single one of their drives to score points.

I 100% think the "effort" has been there and the issues have been a combination of scheme and injuries. The DL has always been the tone setters. The only game where all 3 of our big guns were even close to healthy was USC and Day/Tuitt/Nix wrecked them up front. Carlo Calabrese can play with all of the effort in the world at NG, and he is still going to get run over every play.
 

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Sure, SC's been inconsistent, but they're on a hot streak. They had Gameday in town, it was a night game, and probably the biggest game of their season. I just don't think we have those intangibles in our favor.

Kessler made some plays with his feet that were crucial. I don't think Tommy will have the time nor the athletic ability to make many plays against the Stanford defense.

Yeah I think we should be about a 14 point underdog against Stanford and I'd be surprised if we covered. You beat Stanford by either having a playmaker at QB that allows you to extend plays and hit the occasional big one OR skill positions players that are so good that they can regularly beat their defenders. I don't think we have either of those, plus our running game is laughably bad compared to last year. We would need our defense to be near 100% healthy and hold them without a TD to have a legitimate shot.
 

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Kiffin was largely responsible for those inconsistencies. USC missed a few FG's that would have beaten us. That could have changed that perception as well.

I hate these types of hypotheticals. Yeah, and Tommy who was swiss cheesing their defense could've not gotten hurt... and we win that game going away.
 

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I have no doubt that the Stanford game will be a tough close battle but im not ready to hand victory to them yet. Get through BYU this week and go into cali with some momentum. Not saying they suck but imho the pac 12 is all over the place this year.
 

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I hate these types of hypotheticals. Yeah, and Tommy who was swiss cheesing their defense could've not gotten hurt... and we win that game going away.

I'll agree on Rees injury, although I don't know if that helps us win going away. I thought or defense played lights out that weekend. An effort we have not really seen since. I don't buy injuries, everyone has injuries this late in the season.

Our front is equal to or better than that of USC. It would be shameful if they didn't play that way the last two games of the season.
 

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I'll agree on Rees injury, although I don't know if that helps us win going away. I thought or defense played lights out that weekend. An effort we have not really seen since. I don't buy injuries, everyone has injuries this late in the season.

Our front is equal to or better than that of USC. It would be shameful if they didn't play that way the last two games of the season.

Are you basing this off preseason expectations or their production through 10 games?
 

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Kiffin was largely responsible for those inconsistencies. USC missed a few FG's that would have beaten us. That could have changed that perception as well.

And we got stopped on the goal line on the first drive. If that didn't happen then....

But, it did happen, and so did the missed FGs. If if if.
 
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I have kind of stayed away so I could keep control over my mouth. If anything, this season has been an egimicational experience.

I have a son who hates ND. Not just ND football, but ND. I finally broached the subject and got an answer. He shared his impression of two types of ND fan he has seen, of which he was careful not to include me, he, he!

This fits with my general discontent with the bull shiit coming out of the program. I will include everything from the scurrilous unfounded rumors to the nonsensical statements made to avoid taking responsibilities from this years shortcomings.

But some of the statements made by fans distress me more. And they fit nicely with his two "types." One is the "wimp" and the other is the "elitist."

The wimp is the gloom and doom prognosticator that uses all kinds of conflated illogic to prove why the sky really is falling. They end up closing their mouths during a season like '12 because they don't have the constitution to buck the wave of victory. They often have something negative to say, it is just that they keep the volume down when there membership is dwindled. So on a good year they whisper or keep it to themselves so you don't even know they are around . . .

The elitist is the one that ridicules opponents or others for their shortcomings. I mean it is okay to ridicule everybody all the time (evenly) I guess, but elitist oft have the sharpest tongues, and are the first to get upset when someone turns that weapon on them. Everyone takes umbrage at being put down, the elitists are the ones that put others down, and always take the greatest offense when the tables are turned. I want to make it absolutely clear that honorable well adjusted fans will take the same umbrage, good fans just don't spend all their spare time putting their opponents down, elsewise.

Here is my point. The wimps deep down inside know how silly they look, but can't deal with it. The elitists have no idea how bad they look. They will criticize an opponents speech, or looks, or way of life even after that opponent has knocked them down, loosened their teeth and proceeded to aerate their hide with those opposing cleats. Just one question for that fan; doesn't trying to maintain superiority after being trounced get old after a while?

Here is my further point. I am tired of all the b. s. on these forums. Stanford is beatable and probably on the way down from it's Harbaugh High. Oregon is beatable. IF YOU WANT TO PAY THE PRICE, ANYONE IS BEATABLE. Conversely, you can be beaten any day BY SOMEONE WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE. (With ND, almost everyone is willing to pay the price, Alabama, Oregon and Stanford lately, not so much.)

Yes, Stanford can be beaten; and whether it happens by ND this year depends which ND team shows up, the one that beat SC, and ASU or the one that has played the last three weeks.

Oh yeah. It is not just desire and brass balls; they need some coaching. Last night's SC game plan on both sides of the ball was the biggest reason (along with the players wanting it more) for their victory over Cardinal.

Agreed, the first down call was questionable. (The official explanation was that the camera angle didn't show it properly.) But our receivers hammered those same defensive backs that threw the Stanford wide receivers off of the field! Even in the second half when Hendrix was in. And our offensive line pushed that defense around, the whole game! And they were without a top linebacker last night in their game against Stanford, thanks to the hitting by ND players in the South Bend.

And our defense rocked that same offense. You now have seen what Marquis and Nelson can do, particularly Lee. Most players would be getting helped off the field to the locker room; he was catching first down passes on the crucial game winning drive.

We wanted it more than SC, they wanted it more than Standford. Two weeks Saturday is a new day . . . Who will want it more? And who will come in with the game plan?
 
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I have kind of stayed away so I could keep control over my mouth. If anything, this season has been an egimicational experience.

I have a son who hates ND. Not just ND football, but ND. I finally broached the subject and got an answer. He shared his impression of two types of ND fan he has seen, of which he was careful not to include me, he, he!

This fits with my general discontent with the bull shiit coming out of the program. I will include everything from the scurrilous unfounded rumors to the nonsensical statements made to avoid taking responsibilities from this years shortcomings.

But some of the statements made by fans distress me more. And they fit nicely with his two "types." One is the "wimp" and the other is the "elitist."

The wimp is the gloom and doom prognosticator that uses all kinds of conflated illogic to prove why the sky really is falling. They end up closing their mouths during a season like '12 because they don't have the constitution to buck the wave of victory. They often have something negative to say, it is just that they keep the volume down when there membership is dwindled. So on a good year they whisper or keep it to themselves so you don't even know they are around . . .

The elitist is the one that ridicules opponents or others for their shortcomings. I mean it is okay to ridicule everybody all the time (evenly) I guess, but elitist oft have the sharpest tongues, and are the first to get upset when someone turns that weapon on them. Everyone takes umbrage at being put down, the elitists are the ones that put others down, and always take the greatest offense when the tables are turned. I want to make it absolutely clear that honorable well adjusted fans will take the same umbrage, good fans just don't spend all their spare time putting their opponents down, elsewise.

Here is my point. The wimps deep down inside know how silly they look, but can't deal with it. The elitists have no idea how bad they look. They will criticize an opponents speech, or looks, or way of life even after that opponent has knocked them down, loosened their teeth and proceeded to aerate their hide with those opposing cleats. Just one question for that fan; doesn't trying to maintain superiority after being trounced get old after a while?

Here is my further point. I am tired of all the b. s. on these forums. Stanford is beatable and probably on the way down from it's Harbaugh High. Oregon is beatable. IF YOU WANT TO PAY THE PRICE, ANYONE IS BEATABLE. Conversely, you can be beaten any day BY SOMEONE WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE. (With ND, almost everyone is willing to pay the price, Alabama, Oregon and Stanford lately, not so much.)

Yes, Stanford can be beaten; and whether it happens by ND this year depends which ND team shows up, the one that beat SC, and ASU or the one that has played the last three weeks.

Oh yeah. It is not just desire and brass balls; they need some coaching. Last night's SC game plan on both sides of the ball was the biggest reason (along with the players wanting it more) for their victory over Cardinal.

Agreed, the first down call was questionable. (The official explanation was that the camera angle didn't show it properly.) But our receivers hammered those same defensive backs that threw the Stanford wide receivers off of the field! Even in the second half when Hendrix was in. And our offensive line pushed that defense around. And they were without a top linebacker, thanks to the hitting by ND players in the South Bend.

And our defense rocked that same offense. You now have seen what Marquis and Nelson can do, particularly Lee. Most players would be getting helped off the field to the locker room; he was catching first down passes on the crucial game winning drive.

We wanted it more than SC, they wanted it more than Stanford. Two weeks Saturday is a new day . . . Who will want it more? And who will come in with the game plan?

FIFY
 

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Bogs makes some good points. While I still think Stanford will be a tough game because they'll probably bring their A game, if we do the same then we have a chance to beat the team. College football is so much more enjoyable than NFL to me because anyone really can win on any given week if one team underestimates the other. You seem to see more upsets in college football imo, and thats what makes it fun to watch.
 

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Bogs makes some good points. While I still think Stanford will be a tough game because they'll probably bring their A game, if we do the same then we have a chance to beat the team. College football is so much more enjoyable than NFL to me because anyone really can win on any given week if one team underestimates the other. You seem to see more upsets in college football imo, and thats what makes it fun to watch.

I think that's even more the case in the NFL, actually. But the losses mean so much more in college. That's what makes it a more fun game to watch.
 

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I disagree. I think they've played hurt, not with a lack of effort. Again, we had NINE defensive linemen injured or out against Pitt. We had Carlo Calabrese playing NG on some snaps... that's how bad it got. Yet Pitt still needed help on every single one of their drives to score points.

I 100% think the "effort" has been there and the issues have been a combination of scheme and injuries. The DL has always been the tone setters. The only game where all 3 of our big guns were even close to healthy was USC and Day/Tuitt/Nix wrecked them up front. Carlo Calabrese can play with all of the effort in the world at NG, and he is still going to get run over every play.

So when you say that you disagree, are you saying that they have played inspired the last few weeks? With intensity and emotion?

I'm not saying that there aren't solid reason for poor play or ignoring our massive injuries. I'm just saying that the product on the field wasn't playing inspired football. There are a plethora of good reasons for that, but I believe its true. Turn on the USC game from last night and compare that demeanor to our team last week against Pitt. There is a big difference in attitude, passion and enthusiasm imo.
 

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Do you think there is a CardinalPat on the Stanford boards being all doom and gloom, and calling for the firing of everyone in the building? :)
 

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So when you say that you disagree, are you saying that they have played inspired the last few weeks? With intensity and emotion?

I'm not saying that there aren't solid reason for poor play or ignoring our massive injuries. I'm just saying that the product on the field wasn't playing inspired football. There are a plethora of good reasons for that, but I believe its true. Turn on the USC game from last night and compare that demeanor to our team last week against Pitt. There is a big difference in attitude, passion and enthusiasm imo.

Alright, I can get behind what you're saying here. This team wasn't coming into the Pitt game with it circled on the calendar and an emotional high.

I guess what I was saying was that in terms of effort I saw guys battling. Like really working out there despite serious adversity. Nix, Day, Jones, etc. all got hurt and hobbled off the field at some point... yet they showed the determination to get back out there and battle because there was literally no one else to play. I give them a bit of a pass on mental lapses, body language, etc. because I think they were giving it all they had and just too beaten down.

In terms of inspired football I'd say on offense I was sorely disappointed with the focus, mental acuity, and body language of some of the players... so no, they definitely didn't come into the game ready to roll. I mean TJ Jones had a wide open screen on the first play of the game and just flat drops what is probably a TD. Really? Ever reliable TJ Jones? There are no injury excuses for them, and you can see the difference compared to the USC game.
 

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I think that's even more the case in the NFL, actually. But the losses mean so much more in college. That's what makes it a more fun game to watch.

Maybe, but I would argue that in the NFL everyone is "elite talent," to some degree at least. It's a much more even playing field than say...Michigan vs. Appalachian State :laugh:
 
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Alright, I can get behind what you're saying here. This team wasn't coming into the Pitt game with it circled on the calendar and an emotional high.

I guess what I was saying was that in terms of effort I saw guys battling. Like really working out there despite serious adversity. Nix, Day, Jones, etc. all got hurt and hobbled off the field at some point... yet they showed the determination to get back out there and battle because there was literally no one else to play. I give them a bit of a pass on mental lapses, body language, etc. because I think they were giving it all they had and just too beaten down.

In terms of inspired football I'd say on offense I was sorely disappointed with the focus, mental acuity, and body language of some of the players... so no, they definitely didn't come into the game ready to roll. I mean TJ Jones had a wide open screen on the first play of the game and just flat drops what is probably a TD. Really? Ever reliable TJ Jones? There are no injury excuses for them, and you can see the difference compared to the USC game.

More and more I believe we all hold the same beliefs, minus the color of our own perspective.
 

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This game is going to be like 3-0. ND matches up very well with them on both sides of the ball. If Tommy is not in a body cast by games end that means ND has won.
 

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This game is going to be like 3-0. ND matches up very well with them on both sides of the ball. If Tommy is not in a body cast by games end that means ND has won.

My biggest worry for this game is that Tommy will get injured and then the wheels will fall off.
 

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One potential benefit of the Oregon loss today may be that Stanford looks ahead of our game and instead focuses on their Pac-12 championship game.
 

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If Jarron Jones is capable of playing at the level he did today against a brutally physical Stanford team for 100% of the game we will have a chance. Stanford's entire offense is predicated on being able to bully teams in the trenches. When they can't do that, they are quite meh at putting points on the board. This has all the makings of a 17-13 type game IF we don't wear down on the line.
 
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If Jarron Jones is capable of playing at the level he did today against a brutally physical Stanford team for 100% of the game we will have a chance. Stanford's entire offense is predicated on being able to bully teams in the trenches. When they can't do that, they are quite meh at putting points on the board. This has all the makings of a 17-13 type game IF we don't wear down on the line.

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No, every time he has played a legit D he has had mediocre to bad stats. Very inaccurate deep balls. Moreover, he only has one "good" receiver and that is Montgomery... and when you take him away, it tends to lead to mistakes/turnovers.
 
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