Nov 25 | Stanford

[NDFAN2008]

Reaper you act like Kelly didn’t lose to bad teams his first 5 years he lost to plenty

 

[MacIrish75]

I get so damn tired of this BK vs MF argument.

I don’t care what profession it is, a guy in his 30th year is going to be better experienced than a guy in his 2nd year. That includes in hiring, as well. We’ll see what he does with Gerry after this year, it’ll be a defining moment for him as a leader to have that type of tough conversation with a close friend/employee who is underperforming.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I get so damn tired of this BK vs MF argument.

I don’t care what profession it is, a guy in his 30th year is going to be better than a guy in his 2nd year.

That is so wrong and not true… countless examples …. Kirby smart sean Mcvay the list goes on and on

 

[NDFAN2008]

Kelly’s bad losses
Year 1. Lost on a fake field goal to MSU which was bad, Tulsa, Navy, barely beat Pitt.
Year 2. USF, barely beat Pitt, barely beat BC and Wake,
Year 3. Struck lightening in a bottle still almost lost to Purdue, BYU and Pitt,
Year 4. Lost to Pitt almost lost to navy
Year 5. Lost to Northwestern got killed by USC, played awful against ASU
Year 6.
Year 7. Awful season many said he should have been fired

 

[notredomer23]

I’m still not over Kelly throwing with Freshman Tommy Rees when they could have easily ran the ball and kicked a chip shot field goal to beat Tulsa. Honestly in my mind was worse than any specific coaching decision Freeman has done

 

[PutuporShutup]

Freeman says this and it’s extremely true

It’s all on so you make the program better than where you go it. Freeman got a program capable of getting to cfp but not winning it. Winning games in cfp and some facility stuff must be what happens next few years for freeman to improve the program

 

[MacIrish75]

That is so wrong and not true… countless examples …. Kirby smart sean Mcvay the list goes on and on

You mean the Kirby Smart that went 8-5 in his first year at UGA after 20 years of being a college/pro assistant?

McVay was legit. A statistical anomaly in the best way. I guess if that was your expectation for MF you’re probably extremely disappointed.

 

[Irish#1]

That is so wrong and not true… countless examples …. Kirby smart sean Mcvay the list goes on and on

Reaper you act like Kelly didn’t lose to bad teams his first 5 years he lost to plenty

those don’t count.

 

[IrishLax]

Brian Kelly is about to complete a three loss season in Year 2 at LSU with only one ranked win (Missouri)... with a likely Heisman winning QB. That's just incredible to think about.

His excuse? "Lack of talent" and "young guys" on defense. Are you kidding me? A lack of defensive talent at L-S-freaking-U with all of the resources you need + transfer portal + elite recruiting classes he inherited from his predecessor?

People need to shut the fuck up about Kelly. He is obviously good at some things, but he is nowhere close to an "elite" coach because he doesn't work hard enough to build elite rosters. There is zero excuse for field a defense ranked 60th in advanced stats at LSU. He sabotaged this LSU team the same way he sabotaged his 2015 Notre Dame team.

There is no comparison between Freeman and Kelly because no one should be comparing anyone to Kelly. If Brian Kelly called up Notre Dame tomorrow and said he wanted to come back it should be hard pass regardless of who the coach is.

Freeman should be evaluated from 2024 forward on whether he is making the playoffs at least 50% of the time and whether his team is competing well + winning playoff games. Freeman -- at bare minimum -- needs to make a playoffs by 2025.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Freeman is finishing year 2. If you didn’t think it would be bumpy at times you’re a moron. Hopefully, which I think he is, he’s learning from his mistakes over the past 2 years and will continue to improve. Beating Stanford this weekend and winning a bowl game will show some growth. All this other arguing about what BK would have done is bullshit. These teams had clear holes that had to be filled. And far from defending GP here, the injuries to the receiver room and the wear and tear on a couple of true freshman at the position having to play substantial snaps this year is a miracle we didn’t lose more of them. The future is bright you miserable pricks. Happy thanksgiving though, you guys are awesome.

 

[PutuporShutup]

You mean the Kirby Smart that went 8-5 in his first year at UGA after 20 years of being a college/pro assistant?

McVay was legit. A statistical anomaly in the best way. I guess if that was your expectation for MF you’re probably extremely disappointed.

So you’re moving the bar, it’s any coaching experience not just HC. Crap, I’m probably even better than I thought lol. Kirby’s second year as a HC they almost won it all, this is freeman’s second year as HC, we almost lost 3 games in a row mid season


Expectation is for freeman to not be a moron with coordinator hiring, and let them do the coaching during the week, freeman to use common sense on game day, improve facilities and recruit big time. So far he’s only recruiting

 

[IrishSportsDaily]

 

[PutuporShutup]

Brian Kelly is about to complete a three loss season in Year 2 at LSU with only one ranked win (Missouri)... with a likely Heisman winning QB. That's just incredible to think about.

His excuse? "Lack of talent" and "young guys" on defense. Are you kidding me? A lack of defensive talent at L-S-freaking-U with all of the resources you need + transfer portal + elite recruiting classes he inherited from his predecessor?

People need to shut the fuck up about Kelly. He is obviously good at some things, but he is nowhere close to an "elite" coach because he doesn't work hard enough to build elite rosters. There is zero excuse for field a defense ranked 60th in advanced stats at LSU. He sabotaged this LSU team the same way he sabotaged his 2015 Notre Dame team.

There is no comparison between Freeman and Kelly because no one should be comparing anyone to Kelly. If Brian Kelly called up Notre Dame tomorrow and said he wanted to come back it should be hard pass regardless of who the coach is.

Freeman should be evaluated from 2024 forward on whether he is making the playoffs at least 50% of the time and whether his team is competing well + winning playoff games. Freeman -- at bare minimum -- needs to make a playoffs by 2025.

That bar must be way better than making cfp 50% of the time with the new structure, we would have made it 4 years in a row leading to freeman. Probably would have been 5 as they wouldn’t have crap the bed va Stanford 2017 if they had something to play for like cfp. Should be 75%

 

[IrishSportsDaily]

Some relevant content here from Andrew Mentock:

How to watch Notre Dame on the PAC-12 Network for Free

 

[Reaper97]

Reaper you act like Kelly didn’t lose to bad teams his first 5 years he lost to plenty

He also took over a dumpster fire of a program & went undefeated and to the Title game in that span.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Some relevant content here from Andrew Mentock:

How to watch Notre Dame on the PAC-12 Network for Free

You might want to look into doing what I did — I added the “sports pack” add on with my cable provider (Xfinity). It’s only like $11.99/month, and you can cancel anytime. I just checked, and the PAC 12 network works great. I’ll simply cancel it before the next monthly billing cycle.

 

[IrishLax]

That bar must be way better than making cfp 50% of the time with the new structure, we would have made it 4 years in a row leading to freeman. Probably would have been 5 as they wouldn’t have crap the bed va Stanford 2017 if they had something to play for like cfp. Should be 75%

Why? Being a top 11ish team 50%+ of the time is very reasonable but difficult to achieve bar for any coach. It means that in any given year you're taking the top 2-3 teams from a given Power conference. It means 2-or-less losses. I bet if you track it over the next ten years only maybe 5-7 programs will achieve a playoff rate of 50%+.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Why? Being a top 11ish team 50%+ of the time is very reasonable but difficult to achieve bar for any coach. It means that in any given year you're taking the top 2-3 teams from a given Power conference. It means 2-or-less losses. I bet if you track it over the next ten years only maybe 5-7 programs will achieve a playoff rate of 50%+.

Because 10-2 pretty much gets us in…. That needs to be more than 5 times in the next 10 years … Kelly would have made it at a 50% Clip, with that increasing towards his end of tenure. I expect better than Kelly.

Bama, Clemson Ohio state, Georgia would be making it at a 90% clip

 

[IRISHDODGER]

He also took over a dumpster fire of a program & went undefeated and to the Title game in that span.

Weis did more w/ Willingham’s talent in years 1 & 2 than BK did w/ Weis’s talent in years 1 & 2. Weis had never been a HC before. BK had one of the most impressive resumes of available coaches when ND hired him. BK had enough talent to win at least 10 games those first two years & didn’t inherit as big a dumpster fire as Weis did. Zero excuse for a HC of BK’s stature to snatch a loss out of the mouth of victory like he did vs Tulsa, MSU & scUM. Same scenario in year two.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Because 10-2 pretty much gets us in…. That needs to be more than 5 times in the next 10 years … Kelly would have made it at a 50% Clip, with that increasing towards his end of tenure. I expect better than Kelly.

Bama, Clemson Ohio state, Georgia would be making it at a 90% clip

Wait…ND loses it’s HOF HC to LSU and hires a first time HC and you expect better? I thought you were a BK-Stan? BK was supposedly a QB whisperer and pissed down his leg every time he had an opportunity to secure & develop an elite QB. That’s what likely kept him from ever truly competing for a NC b/c in most cases the NC has a difference maker QB. BK has one now at LSU who he didn’t have to develop & he still pisses down his leg by failing to get the right DC at LS-fucking-U. You can’t make this stuff up.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Wait…ND loses it’s HOF HC to LSU and hires a first time HC and you expect better? I thought you were a BK-Stan? BK was supposedly a QB whisperer and pissed down his leg every time he had an opportunity to secure & develop an elite QB. That’s what likely kept him from ever truly competing for a NC b/c in most cases the NC has a difference maker QB. BK has one now at LSU who he didn’t have to develop & he still pisses down his leg by failing to get the right DC at LS-fucking-U. You can’t make this stuff up.

I’m not a BK fan but i acknowledge he’s currently a significantly better coach than freeman. Kelly wasn’t good enough, I expect better. My point is if freeman isn’t good enough to go 10-2 or better continuously, move the F on, and get the right coach.

 

[ulukinatme]

Weis did more w/ Willingham’s talent in years 1 & 2 than BK did w/ Weis’s talent in years 1 & 2. Weis had never been a HC before. BK had one of the most impressive resumes of available coaches when ND hired him. BK had enough talent to win at least 10 games those first two years & didn’t inherit as big a dumpster fire as Weis did. Zero excuse for a HC of BK’s stature to snatch a loss out of the mouth of victory like he did vs Tulsa, MSU & scUM. Same scenario in year two.

The thing people forget about Willingham -> Weis is that Ty only got 3 years and he was an absolute horrible recruiter. However, the Seniors and some Juniors Charlie inherited were originally recruited by Davie. There were a number of 4 stars in the 2002 class that Davie mostly put together, there were far fewer in Willingham's first class (Although a few like Samardzija, Ryan Harris, and John Carlson would do big things later under Weis). Stovall, McKnight, Derek Landri, Fasano, etc all came from Davie. With the exception of Sam Young and Asaph Schwapp (RIP) the starters were all Seniors or 5th year guys on that 2005 team, Davie guys.

Now, what happened when those guys graduated? The 2007 disastrous season happened, which was a team mostly of either younger guys Weis had to recruit to fill holes or older holdovers from Willingham's failed classes. This always happens when you have a few back to back bad recruiting classes, once those players become upperclassmen (Which should be the backbone of your starters) you end up having to start a lot of younger talent that isn't ready and it leads to poor seasons.

 

[Bluto]

Crazy to think ND has only beaten Stanford twice at Stanford stadium going back to 2007.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Brian Kelly is about to complete a three loss season in Year 2 at LSU with only one ranked win (Missouri)... with a likely Heisman winning QB. That's just incredible to think about.

His excuse? "Lack of talent" and "young guys" on defense. Are you kidding me? A lack of defensive talent at L-S-freaking-U with all of the resources you need + transfer portal + elite recruiting classes he inherited from his predecessor?

People need to shut the fuck up about Kelly. He is obviously good at some things, but he is nowhere close to an "elite" coach because he doesn't work hard enough to build elite rosters. There is zero excuse for field a defense ranked 60th in advanced stats at LSU. He sabotaged this LSU team the same way he sabotaged his 2015 Notre Dame team.

There is no comparison between Freeman and Kelly because no one should be comparing anyone to Kelly. If Brian Kelly called up Notre Dame tomorrow and said he wanted to come back it should be hard pass regardless of who the coach is.

Freeman should be evaluated from 2024 forward on whether he is making the playoffs at least 50% of the time and whether his team is competing well + winning playoff games. Freeman -- at bare minimum -- needs to make a playoffs by 2025.

Agree 100% Kelly sucked at recruiting he wouldn’t even be on campus half the time we had guys visting. Or how many times did recruits say they haven’t even spoke to Kelly. He should be able to field a top 5 defense from guys within 50 miles of LSU let alone the entire state.

 

[Reaper97]

Crazy to think ND has only beaten Stanford twice at Stanford stadium going back to 2007.

The last two times, both blowouts.

 

[benneboy]

So you’re moving the bar, it’s any coaching experience not just HC. Crap, I’m probably even better than I thought lol. Kirby’s second year as a HC they almost won it all, this is freeman’s second year as HC, we almost lost 3 games in a row mid season


Expectation is for freeman to not be a moron with coordinator hiring, and let them do the coaching during the week, freeman to use common sense on game day, improve facilities and recruit big time. So far he’s only recruiting

Rest easy. I can assure you, you are not.

 

[Foreverirish34]

Crazy to think ND has only beaten Stanford twice at Stanford stadium going back to 2007.

Not that crazy if you live in Cali and have been there in person for every game since 2007. Some brutal losses in there.

 

[Bluto]

Not that crazy if you live in Cali and have been there in person for every game since 2007. Some brutal losses in there.

Been to every game there since 2011. That 2015 game was the absolute worst.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The last two times, both blowouts.

2019 was not impressive considering the talent on each side. That was Chip Long’s last game.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Been to every game there since 2011. That 2015 game was the absolute worst.

I had a buddy text me “good win by your boys” as ND was kicking off to Stanford. I told him to STFU & that he‘s gonna jinx it b;c the defense is trash. He said, “no all good”. A few minutes later, he texted “sorry man”