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Every game the rest of the year is going to be biting and clawing. There is no sure thing left on the schedule
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maybe we should have played Enter Sandman to start the game?
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Quite frankly, who cares?
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But Duke also lost to Virginia 48 - 14, a team that we handled. That's why there's no point even bringing up the VT loss to Duke, none of it is really relative. I do expect Duke to show up, this will be their bowl game like it is for many middling programs. We'll either play up/down to the competition, or we won't. Won't know anything till Saturday.
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2009 all over again. Let’s ride.
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Agreed. There’s no sure things. I’ll be surprised if ND wins out.
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I know there’s a lot to bitch about, and we may get throttled by Navy, but I’m super proud that this team found a way to win. This had all the makings of a let down upset that sent the season spiraling. It may rally the team, it may not. But for one week, I have another reason to celebrate a victory. Go Irish
As aggravating as it was to watch our season almost derail completely today... I was impressed by Claypool once again. To be clear I expected a huge season full of plays like he made today, but his mentality and his ability to put this team on his back and be a Michael Floyd type receiver was pretty fun to watch. At times it seemed like he was the only one determined to win this game. Jafar also flashed at times until the fumble.
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Instant Reaction | Notre Dame 21 Virginia Tech 20
By Jamie Uyeyama November 2, 2019 51,087
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Wins all count the same. Wins all count the same. Wins all count the same.
That’s something worth repeating in a game that Notre Dame should have won by several touchdowns, but probably deserved to lose. Deserve doesn’t have anything to do with results, though. The result was a win when they needed it desperately.
Notre Dame outgained Virginia Tech by 207 yards, but only won by one point because of three trips to the red zone that ended up with zero points.
To say it was frustrating to watch would be a gross understatement. That was the one thing the offense did well before this game. Even though they delivered when it counted, it doesn’t erase the earlier issues that made this almost an embarrassing loss.
But guess what? Just like a good performance against a better team that ends up in a loss doesn’t count as a win, bad performances against teams that Notre Dame should beat by a significant amount still count as wins if they put more on the board than the opponent.
Almost losing feels bad for those who watched the game, but actually losing would have been much worse. Tip of the cap to the team for being resilient. We could be talking about how bad things are going to get, but at least for now, we can think about a win from a flawed football team.
- I had planned to write that the defense deserved better and they did, but at least they helped the Irish win the game.
They got the stops when they needed them. They started out strong with six 3-and-outs on Virginia Tech’s first seven drives. They could have let the ineptitude of the offense get to them, but they didn’t. They only allowed 13 points.
It was a very good bounce back performance and a strong game plan from Clark Lea to shut down the Hokie’s running game (2.8 yards per carry) after what happened a week ago.
- That’s not to say that Notre Dame couldn’t have played better on defense.
Donte Vaughn did some good things, but he had two plays that likely made the booth throw up their hands. That fourth and four where he was playing eight yards off the ball and dropping back to take away the deep ball was confusing to say it politely. Him being passive on Quincey Patterson’s longest run of the day was strange as well.
On the very next play he came up and made a tackle, but for some reason the biggest corner on the team was hesitant to come up and tackle just before that.
Outside of that run, Patterson had 18 carries for 57 yards (3.17 YPC).
- It was really smart to not attack too much up the field with the pass rush in this game. They made Patterson try and win from the pocket and he completed only 32.1% of his passes. I’m sure people were frustrated with the pass rush not getting as much pressure as they’d like to see, but a big part of that was making sure he couldn’t be a runner on 3rd downs.
Even with that approach, Notre Dame still finished with 17.1% Havoc Rate and were much more disciplined with their gaps.
- That catch by Tre Turner was one of the best I have seen this season. I don’t know how he came down with it, let alone how he caught it ran for more yards after. How many receivers can pull off a Willie Mays catch and then do something after it?
That play was a ⅓ of the yards for Virginia Tech in the second half.
- Before we get into some harsher observations I have about the offense, Chase Claypool was fantastic in this game. He could have been even better if he didn’t get tackled on that second play of the game while waiting for the ball. How was there no flag there?
He would have been a lot better if Ian Book hadn’t left the deep ball short a few times. He finished 118 yards, but probably could have had over 200. That catch on the sideline on that final drive will go on his highlight reel at the end of the year along with a few others like that.
- Book threw for 341 yards. He scored on that final touchdown to win the game. He made some clutch throws on that final drive to get into a position to win. He also started this game throwing the ball more confidently than I had seen him since last season.
I would like to see him stay aggressive, but that first red zone pick was a blind throw. He threw it without even thinking about it. The second one should have been a touchdown if he led Claypool. He had two steps on the corner.
I’ll give him this: when he gets knocked down, he’ll keep getting back up. He had no running game to help him and knew the game was on him and delivered. That counts for something. I couldn’t tell you how many of the balls he threw away were the right play every time or not, but I don’t think he was helped out by the play-calling.
- Jafar Armstrong as a receiver can be a key component to the offense. As a third down back, he brings a ton of value.
Armstrong as an inside runner is not helping him or the offense. He still hasn’t shown the instincts to succeed there despite his size. People want to compare him to CJ Prosise, but Prosise had great feet and could make defenders miss in the hole. We haven’t seen that from Armstrong.
Even on that fumble, which was a great play by Rayshard Ashby, trying to run through Ashby was the wrong read. Him trying to run over everyone in the open field is often the wrong read too. He might fall forward, but isn’t going to be getting anything after that.
I thought Jahmir Smith deserved more carries in this game, especially if they were going to be running inside as much as they did. To call all of those runs with Armstrong in, that’s 100% on Chip Long in my opinion.
Notre Dame really missed Tony Jones in this game. Armstrong finished with 1.9 YPC.
- That leads into Long and, again, this was a rough game for him as a play-caller. It was like banging his head into a wall with some of those runs and he made a lot of 3rd down calls that Virginia Tech was all over because they scouted the Irish well.
Even on the touchdown call to end the game, it worked out well, but if Book was tackled, it’s probably game over with Notre Dame rushing to the line to get in one more play. It was gutsy and it worked out, but the potential for that to go terribly was very high.
- Why didn’t Notre Dame go back to that two-back look with Avery Davis after it was successful?
That’s one positive to come out of this game for the offense. Davis is a weapon who might be the best slot receiver on the team. Maybe this game earns him more touches.
- That hold by Jay Bramblett may have saved the season because I don’t know how Notre Dame would have reacted if they missed an extra point there. He had some issues catching punts early, but his hands were clutch when it mattered the most.
By Jamie Uyeyama November 2, 2019 51,087
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Wins all count the same. Wins all count the same. Wins all count the same.
That’s something worth repeating in a game that Notre Dame should have won by several touchdowns, but probably deserved to lose. Deserve doesn’t have anything to do with results, though. The result was a win when they needed it desperately.
Notre Dame outgained Virginia Tech by 207 yards, but only won by one point because of three trips to the red zone that ended up with zero points.
To say it was frustrating to watch would be a gross understatement. That was the one thing the offense did well before this game. Even though they delivered when it counted, it doesn’t erase the earlier issues that made this almost an embarrassing loss.
But guess what? Just like a good performance against a better team that ends up in a loss doesn’t count as a win, bad performances against teams that Notre Dame should beat by a significant amount still count as wins if they put more on the board than the opponent.
Almost losing feels bad for those who watched the game, but actually losing would have been much worse. Tip of the cap to the team for being resilient. We could be talking about how bad things are going to get, but at least for now, we can think about a win from a flawed football team.
- I had planned to write that the defense deserved better and they did, but at least they helped the Irish win the game.
They got the stops when they needed them. They started out strong with six 3-and-outs on Virginia Tech’s first seven drives. They could have let the ineptitude of the offense get to them, but they didn’t. They only allowed 13 points.
It was a very good bounce back performance and a strong game plan from Clark Lea to shut down the Hokie’s running game (2.8 yards per carry) after what happened a week ago.
- That’s not to say that Notre Dame couldn’t have played better on defense.
Donte Vaughn did some good things, but he had two plays that likely made the booth throw up their hands. That fourth and four where he was playing eight yards off the ball and dropping back to take away the deep ball was confusing to say it politely. Him being passive on Quincey Patterson’s longest run of the day was strange as well.
On the very next play he came up and made a tackle, but for some reason the biggest corner on the team was hesitant to come up and tackle just before that.
Outside of that run, Patterson had 18 carries for 57 yards (3.17 YPC).
- It was really smart to not attack too much up the field with the pass rush in this game. They made Patterson try and win from the pocket and he completed only 32.1% of his passes. I’m sure people were frustrated with the pass rush not getting as much pressure as they’d like to see, but a big part of that was making sure he couldn’t be a runner on 3rd downs.
Even with that approach, Notre Dame still finished with 17.1% Havoc Rate and were much more disciplined with their gaps.
- That catch by Tre Turner was one of the best I have seen this season. I don’t know how he came down with it, let alone how he caught it ran for more yards after. How many receivers can pull off a Willie Mays catch and then do something after it?
That play was a ⅓ of the yards for Virginia Tech in the second half.
- Before we get into some harsher observations I have about the offense, Chase Claypool was fantastic in this game. He could have been even better if he didn’t get tackled on that second play of the game while waiting for the ball. How was there no flag there?
He would have been a lot better if Ian Book hadn’t left the deep ball short a few times. He finished 118 yards, but probably could have had over 200. That catch on the sideline on that final drive will go on his highlight reel at the end of the year along with a few others like that.
- Book threw for 341 yards. He scored on that final touchdown to win the game. He made some clutch throws on that final drive to get into a position to win. He also started this game throwing the ball more confidently than I had seen him since last season.
I would like to see him stay aggressive, but that first red zone pick was a blind throw. He threw it without even thinking about it. The second one should have been a touchdown if he led Claypool. He had two steps on the corner.
I’ll give him this: when he gets knocked down, he’ll keep getting back up. He had no running game to help him and knew the game was on him and delivered. That counts for something. I couldn’t tell you how many of the balls he threw away were the right play every time or not, but I don’t think he was helped out by the play-calling.
- Jafar Armstrong as a receiver can be a key component to the offense. As a third down back, he brings a ton of value.
Armstrong as an inside runner is not helping him or the offense. He still hasn’t shown the instincts to succeed there despite his size. People want to compare him to CJ Prosise, but Prosise had great feet and could make defenders miss in the hole. We haven’t seen that from Armstrong.
Even on that fumble, which was a great play by Rayshard Ashby, trying to run through Ashby was the wrong read. Him trying to run over everyone in the open field is often the wrong read too. He might fall forward, but isn’t going to be getting anything after that.
I thought Jahmir Smith deserved more carries in this game, especially if they were going to be running inside as much as they did. To call all of those runs with Armstrong in, that’s 100% on Chip Long in my opinion.
Notre Dame really missed Tony Jones in this game. Armstrong finished with 1.9 YPC.
- That leads into Long and, again, this was a rough game for him as a play-caller. It was like banging his head into a wall with some of those runs and he made a lot of 3rd down calls that Virginia Tech was all over because they scouted the Irish well.
Even on the touchdown call to end the game, it worked out well, but if Book was tackled, it’s probably game over with Notre Dame rushing to the line to get in one more play. It was gutsy and it worked out, but the potential for that to go terribly was very high.
- Why didn’t Notre Dame go back to that two-back look with Avery Davis after it was successful?
That’s one positive to come out of this game for the offense. Davis is a weapon who might be the best slot receiver on the team. Maybe this game earns him more touches.
- That hold by Jay Bramblett may have saved the season because I don’t know how Notre Dame would have reacted if they missed an extra point there. He had some issues catching punts early, but his hands were clutch when it mattered the most.
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Just got home from the game
observations:
-Our DB's are mediocre on a good day. Teams know it. Pride has no break on the ball.
-Book cannot throw the deep ball.
-OL struggles with run blocking
-Calypool and Kmet were all day, but somehow did not get enough targets
-RB lack speed and authority
-Team generally seems to have less than average leadership
-Special team play, although not a vulnerability, is not special
-Overall I watched 2 5-2 teams battle to stay 5-2
observations:
-Our DB's are mediocre on a good day. Teams know it. Pride has no break on the ball.
-Book cannot throw the deep ball.
-OL struggles with run blocking
-Calypool and Kmet were all day, but somehow did not get enough targets
-RB lack speed and authority
-Team generally seems to have less than average leadership
-Special team play, although not a vulnerability, is not special
-Overall I watched 2 5-2 teams battle to stay 5-2
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It wasn't pretty, but I'm happy to get the win. We'll be fine. Go Irish!
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recommend reading the last week's posts in the QB situation thread. some article links and other stuff.
too many to count. i know it's easiest and most popular to blame the QB, but the O in general isn't good. outside of Claypool and Kmet, not a lot. tired of hearing how great the OL is lol... tired of being patient for RB recruiting to get better. tired of not seeing better WR2s and WR3s. so tired of QBs regressing. so tired of play calling. the D isn't perfect either.
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i personally would have been happier not seeing it... gulp lol
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Something happened to this “team” during their off week. I have never seen a team come out of their off week and be a completely dreadful looking team. This is the same “team” that lost to UGA 24-17, when I say “team” it’s by name only. It’s like their weaknesses amplified themselves over the off week. I did not watch 1 second of the game because I was busy doing daddy stuff... but when I saw the score was 14-14 at halftime and ND had, I guess, controlled the game... I thought, only ND!!
I agree completely aside from two things: (in the open field) jafar does not lack authority.... see the 3rd and 10 or so from the VT 15 that led to our 2nd TD I believe, along with several other plays. Also, two teams can’t battle to stay at the same record they are currently at... just not possible. 5-2-1 perhaps?
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Rapid Review: Notre Dame 21, Virginia Tech 20
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No. 16 ranked Notre Dame (now 6-2) rallied to a dramatic 21-20 victory versus Virginia Tech (5-3) when senior quarterback Ian Book raced for a seven-yard touchdown off the zone read with 29 seconds remaining, followed by the extra point by junior kicker Jonathan Doerer.
The touchdown ended an 87-yard drive that took 18 plays in 2:53 and converted two fourth downs.
The first was fourth-and-3 from the Irish 20 with a five-yard pass from Book to junior running back Jafar Armstrong.
The second came on fourth-and-10 from the Virginia Tech 33-yard line when Book patiently waited for senior receiver Chase Claypool to cross for a 26-yard completion to the seven. Book tallied the game winner on third-and-goal with a deft move to the outside when it looked like the inside might be sealed off. The Irish also were out of timeouts at that point.
Freshman safety Kyle Hamilton picked off a desperation pass from deep in Virginia Tech territory to seal the victory with two seconds remaining.
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Quarterback Quincy Patterson and the Hokies nearly ended Notre Dame's 15-game home winning streak before the Irish rallied to a 21-20 victory in the closing seconds.
Quarterback Quincy Patterson and the Hokies nearly ended Notre Dame's 15-game home winning streak before the Irish rallied to a 21-20 victory in the closing seconds. (Andris Visockis)
1. TOP 3 STORYLINES
• In a week replete with many questions about Book and the overall offense, the unit displayed immense intestinal fortitude on the game-winning drive. Book finished 29 of 53 for 341 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions, with Claypool snaring eight of the passes for 118 yards.
The two touchdown passes were to tight ends Cole Kmet (eight yards) and Tommy Tremble (four yards) in the first half.
• Leading 14-7 and facing third-and-goal at the one-yard line with less than 30 seconds remaining until halftime, a hand-off to Armstrong into the middle was stoned by middle linebacker Rayshard Ashby, with his helmet dislodging the football into the air that safety Divine Deablo grabbed in the air and, after stiff-arming Book, raced easily for a 98-yard touchdown.
With the extra point, Virginia Tech knotted the score at 14 at halftime despite getting out-gained 243-85 in total yardage.
• With Notre Dame's offense in a funk most of the second half, or prior to the final drive, the defense kept the Irish close, allowing only two second-half field goals.
The second was especially crucial because after the Hokies completed a 50-yard pass from Quincy Patterson to Tre Turner for a first down at Notre Dame's 12-yard line, two passes into the end zone were well covered by senior cornerbacks Donte Vaughn and Troy Pride Jr., forcing a 25-yard field goal.
Limiting it to 20-14 early in the fourth quarter instead of going up two scores at 24-14 enabled the Irish to tread water before their closing drive.
2. TURNING POINT
Throughout the second half it appeared the potential 14-point swing on Deablo's fumble return would be the difference — until the clutch final drive in which the composed Irish responded with repeated clutch plays.
But again, had the Hokies made it 24-14 instead of 20-14 when they had first down at Notre Dame's 12-yard line early in the fourth quarter, it might have been game, set, match.
3. STAT OF THE GAME
Notre Dame entered the game as the lone FBS team to score every time it reached the red zone — 24 of 24, with 21 touchdowns. But against Virginia Tech it had two turnovers in the red zone, notably a fumble returned for a 98-yard touchdown, and also missed a 35-yard field goal for a third possession without any score.
4. GAME BALL
Book, along with the rest of the maligned offense from last week's Michigan 45-14 loss, displayed their resilience and poise on the closing drive to increase Notre Dame's home winning streak to 16 games.
5. HISTORICAL FOOTNOTE
Notre Dame hasn’t had a 5-0 November since Knute Rockne’s final year in 1930 when it won the national title. Furthermore, after finishing 4-0 in November last year, head coach Brian Kelly’s Fighting Irish are attempting to be the first since Frank Leahy’s 1947-49 teams to finish unbeaten and untied in consecutive Novembers (the 1948 unit tied USC in December).
This was the consummate "survive and advance" step to reach that goal
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No. 16 ranked Notre Dame (now 6-2) rallied to a dramatic 21-20 victory versus Virginia Tech (5-3) when senior quarterback Ian Book raced for a seven-yard touchdown off the zone read with 29 seconds remaining, followed by the extra point by junior kicker Jonathan Doerer.
The touchdown ended an 87-yard drive that took 18 plays in 2:53 and converted two fourth downs.
The first was fourth-and-3 from the Irish 20 with a five-yard pass from Book to junior running back Jafar Armstrong.
The second came on fourth-and-10 from the Virginia Tech 33-yard line when Book patiently waited for senior receiver Chase Claypool to cross for a 26-yard completion to the seven. Book tallied the game winner on third-and-goal with a deft move to the outside when it looked like the inside might be sealed off. The Irish also were out of timeouts at that point.
Freshman safety Kyle Hamilton picked off a desperation pass from deep in Virginia Tech territory to seal the victory with two seconds remaining.
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Quarterback Quincy Patterson and the Hokies nearly ended Notre Dame's 15-game home winning streak before the Irish rallied to a 21-20 victory in the closing seconds.
Quarterback Quincy Patterson and the Hokies nearly ended Notre Dame's 15-game home winning streak before the Irish rallied to a 21-20 victory in the closing seconds. (Andris Visockis)
1. TOP 3 STORYLINES
• In a week replete with many questions about Book and the overall offense, the unit displayed immense intestinal fortitude on the game-winning drive. Book finished 29 of 53 for 341 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions, with Claypool snaring eight of the passes for 118 yards.
The two touchdown passes were to tight ends Cole Kmet (eight yards) and Tommy Tremble (four yards) in the first half.
• Leading 14-7 and facing third-and-goal at the one-yard line with less than 30 seconds remaining until halftime, a hand-off to Armstrong into the middle was stoned by middle linebacker Rayshard Ashby, with his helmet dislodging the football into the air that safety Divine Deablo grabbed in the air and, after stiff-arming Book, raced easily for a 98-yard touchdown.
With the extra point, Virginia Tech knotted the score at 14 at halftime despite getting out-gained 243-85 in total yardage.
• With Notre Dame's offense in a funk most of the second half, or prior to the final drive, the defense kept the Irish close, allowing only two second-half field goals.
The second was especially crucial because after the Hokies completed a 50-yard pass from Quincy Patterson to Tre Turner for a first down at Notre Dame's 12-yard line, two passes into the end zone were well covered by senior cornerbacks Donte Vaughn and Troy Pride Jr., forcing a 25-yard field goal.
Limiting it to 20-14 early in the fourth quarter instead of going up two scores at 24-14 enabled the Irish to tread water before their closing drive.
2. TURNING POINT
Throughout the second half it appeared the potential 14-point swing on Deablo's fumble return would be the difference — until the clutch final drive in which the composed Irish responded with repeated clutch plays.
But again, had the Hokies made it 24-14 instead of 20-14 when they had first down at Notre Dame's 12-yard line early in the fourth quarter, it might have been game, set, match.
3. STAT OF THE GAME
Notre Dame entered the game as the lone FBS team to score every time it reached the red zone — 24 of 24, with 21 touchdowns. But against Virginia Tech it had two turnovers in the red zone, notably a fumble returned for a 98-yard touchdown, and also missed a 35-yard field goal for a third possession without any score.
4. GAME BALL
Book, along with the rest of the maligned offense from last week's Michigan 45-14 loss, displayed their resilience and poise on the closing drive to increase Notre Dame's home winning streak to 16 games.
5. HISTORICAL FOOTNOTE
Notre Dame hasn’t had a 5-0 November since Knute Rockne’s final year in 1930 when it won the national title. Furthermore, after finishing 4-0 in November last year, head coach Brian Kelly’s Fighting Irish are attempting to be the first since Frank Leahy’s 1947-49 teams to finish unbeaten and untied in consecutive Novembers (the 1948 unit tied USC in December).
This was the consummate "survive and advance" step to reach that goal
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Duke may or may not be a tougher game. Lou preached it all the time. The team you have this week won’t be the same team next week and every game is unique to itself.
Like it or not, this team had a hangover from last week. As much as we’d like them to simply toss it aside, they are human and there is a lot of emotion involved. Like your girlfriend breaking up with you, it takes more than a week to get over it. Look at this win as that first date after the break up. You really didn’t want to go and in the end you had a pretty good time.
This isn’t a great team, but an average team wouldn’t have found a way to win.
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In my opinion the down slide started 2nd half of USC. Offense couldn't do anything and our D got exposed and played soft. Took all physicality from our D and was left to react. Then we couldn't tackle OR stop USC once they got rolling. Seems like we took the aggression out of our D for USC and its gone....
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Is Jalen Elliot playing this year? Serious question.
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I still think Claypool would be a #2 receiver for us in any other year. Before that final drive I didn't think he was that impressive. On Books 1st INT he was double covered, but I thought he could have come back to the ball and played a little defense at the very least or possibly even contest the catch. That was was certainly on Book though. On the second INT it was on Claypool, he was single covered and he was being covered by a backup, but Claypool still got beat to the ball and it was picked off. I give a lot of credit to Claypool for stepping up on that final drive, but prior to that I didn't think he was that impressive. He occasionally makes some incredible circus catches, but he can't disappear for parts of a game. He's unfortunately one of the few offensive weapons we have.
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Okay, but Duke also lost by 34 to Virginia.
I don't see us beating Duke by 49, nor do I see Virginia beating VT by 69.
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I think you vastly underrate how good Claypool would be with a good QB. He's the best WR we've had since Fuller. And before Fuller, Floyd.
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Agree if Claypool had a half way decent QB who had an arm he would probally have another 300-400 yards already this year. Let’s not forget how many times Claypool was wide open and Book bailed and didn’t see him.
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Yep! On one of Book's interceptions where Claypool was double-teamed, if he led Claypool, easy touchdown. Claypool had the double team beat.
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He is on the field. Playing is questionable.
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Claypool can probably make some circus catches that Fuller or maybe even Floyd would have never made, but he's not as consistent or has the big play ability that those two had. He stepped up in a big way the final drive, before that he was responsible for at least one of the INTs and he could have certainly helped try and play a little defense on the other one.
Don't get me wrong, he's the best receiver we have and he's miles ahead of our other guys, but that's more indicative of where our WR position group is. He's definitely not on the same level as Floyd or Fuller.
Don't get me wrong, he's the best receiver we have and he's miles ahead of our other guys, but that's more indicative of where our WR position group is. He's definitely not on the same level as Floyd or Fuller.