Notre Dame to the B1G Conference?

[saturdaysarebetter]

Your thoughts on Notre Dame ever joining the Big 10 Conference?

The Fighting Irish could still play USC every year and schedule Stanford as a non-conference game yearly with alternating years to the West Coast.

Notre Dame could still schedule Navy and Boston College as non-conference games.

That would also renew long-time rivalries with very close trips to Purdue, Michigan and Michigan State and also have short road trips where Irish Nation could take over the stadiums at Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern and what should be three easy wins.

Notre Dame had two exciting and winnable games the past two years against Ohio State and had quite a few terrific games in the past against Penn State. It would definitely make the Big 10 the best football conference.

Your thoughts?

 

[Hautian Domer]

Remain Independent till our hand is forced. Ultimately, I think we’ll have to join a conference though, and the Big Ten is the best fit. No to the SEC.

 

[greyhammer90]

I might be speaking out of turn, and I appreciate the desire to stir up conversation on these topics, but this board isn't set up like 247 where every question needs it's own thread.

We already have a threads for discussion on ND joining a conference, for general conference realignment talk, and for Joe Alt.

 

[pumpdog20]

100% join the B1G

 

[Deirishpisser]

wont matter in three years anyway. Wont have conferences at some point

 

[GreenGemsOmally]

I want to stay independent as long as possible. I realize that the landscape may shift where it's no longer possible, but until that moment we should not join a conference.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Excited for us to someday join the SEC east and dominate

 

[IrishLax]

Given the current Big Two landscape I see no reason not to join the Big Ten.

 

[IrishLax]

Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern
How exciting! And EVERY YEAR, too!

Sorry, but seriously, $$$$$$$ - revenues will go down, down, down.
ND is a NATIONAL product with a NATIONAL TV market.
We are unique in that; that´s how we make our money

Also, more humanly, it is NATIONAL school with a NATIONA Alumni base and a NATIONAL reputation.
It´s not just for you Midwest guys.

Please consider that in your reasoning.

The reason I’m on board with the Big Ten is that you have USC, etc. in it now. It’s a coast-to-coast conference. The ACC scheduling agreement gets crappier each year.

 

[OhioIrish]

I see no long term material benefit, nor would it interest me from a sporting perspective. My preferences, in order: stay independent, join ACC if feasible (big if), spearhead movement to create a new conference. Joining the BIG would be very deflating, and it’s totally unnecessary. Also, I couldn’t imagine a more depressing schedule than a BIG conference schedule.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

The possibility of a bye and free entry into the second round of playoffs is benefit enough for me.

We also need to get away from the ACC reffing crew, who seem to ref as if they hold a grudge for us being only partial members. Honestly, it felt like every targeting call that went against us wasn’t targeting, and quite a few went uncalled. I still remember seeing Ford knocked unconscious on a kickoff - wasn’t even reviewed.

 

[ColinKSU]

The reason I’m on board with the Big Ten is that you have USC, etc. in it now. It’s a coast-to-coast conference. The ACC scheduling agreement gets crappier each year.

And I genuinely don’t see how playing Wake and Duke and Virginia and Syracuse is any better.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I am for joining the Big 10

 

[GATTACA!]

The possibility of a bye and free entry into the second round of playoffs is benefit enough for me.

We also need to get away from the ACC reffing crew, who seem to ref as if they hold a grudge for us being only partial members. Honestly, it felt like every targeting call that went against us wasn’t targeting, and quite a few went uncalled. I still remember seeing Ford knocked unconscious on a kickoff - wasn’t even reviewed.

It's functionally not a bye if you have to play a CCG before it anyways. And there are scenarios under the current setup where you could both win a CCG and still not get the bye.

No thanks I'll take our independence and a game against a G5 school in Notre Dame stadium thank you.

 

[stlnd01]

I was anti-Big-10 until USC & co. joined. Now I kind of think it's inevitable and I'm fine with that when the time comes. We needn't rush it but joining a transcontinental superconference will have its advantages. At most we're talking about trading one game against a marquee nonconference opponent for one game against a marquee Big Ten opponent. We can still play Navy that'll be fine.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

It's functionally not a bye if you have to play a CCG before it anyways. And there are scenarios under the current setup where you could both win a CCG and still not get the bye.

No thanks I'll take our independence and a game against a G5 school in Notre Dame stadium thank you.

I don’t think it just cancels out like that.

More often than not it will put us into a position to play ourselves into a bye and remain in playoffs with a loss, as opposed to playing ourselves out of the playoffs.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don’t think it just cancels out like that.

More often than not it will put us into a position to play ourselves into a bye and remain in playoffs with a loss, as opposed to playing ourselves out of the playoffs.

And we can play ourselves out with a CCG too. If we go in at 10-2 from the weak side of the conference and lose we are out, whereas we'd be in having played no title game.

 

[Hautian Domer]

I see no long term material benefit, nor would it interest me from a sporting perspective. My preferences, in order: stay independent, join ACC if feasible (big if), spearhead movement to create a new conference. Joining the BIG would be very deflating, and it’s totally unnecessary. Also, I couldn’t imagine a more depressing schedule than a BIG conference schedule.

The conference landscape can change overnight. Nothing wrong with a conference consisting of Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.

Do you truthfully believe an ACC is more enticing than that...?

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

I might be speaking out of turn, and I appreciate the desire to stir up conversation on these topics, but this board isn't set up like 247 where every question needs it's own thread.

We already have a threads for discussion on ND joining a conference, for general conference realignment talk, and for Joe Alt.

And how far back would I had to look for those? How many pages? You could just have ignored the post or is that too much to ask?

 

[greyhammer90]

And how far back would I had to look for those? How many pages? You could just have ignored the post or is that too much to ask?

Idk, probably one or two? Just trying to explain the typical posting etiquette to a new board member. Sorry if that rankled you. I appreciate the conversation but things are pretty decently organized around here because we tend to go broad in thread topics to capture discussions like these.

 

[greyhammer90]

I flip flop constantly on this topic. I think joining the B1G is inevitable, but I'll definitely be sad to see the last big domino fall on the old age of cfb.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern
How exciting! And EVERY YEAR, too!

Sorry, but seriously, $$$$$$$ - revenues will go down, down, down.
ND is a NATIONAL product with a NATIONAL TV market.
We are unique in that; that´s how we make our money

Also, more humanly, it is NATIONAL school with a NATIONA Alumni base and a NATIONAL reputation.
It´s not just for you Midwest guys.

Please consider that in your reasoning.

This comment is brought you by the Year 1995.

Newsflash: all of the elite programs are national brands these days. Do you seriously think Ohio State doesn't have a large following in New York, Los Angeles, or Florida?

Recruiting has been national for 15 years for the elite schools. As in, much longer than the current high schoolers have been paying attention. It's the only college football world they've ever known.

If you think joining the Big Ten and being on the same team as Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Oregon, Penn State, Washington makes you a regional brand... that's really on you.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The conference landscape can change overnight. Nothing wrong with a conference consisting of Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.

Do you truthfully believe an ACC is more enticing than that...?

How much did Sconny pay you to include them in that list lol


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[NumbersGuy0520]

And we can play ourselves out with a CCG too. If we go in at 10-2 from the weak side of the conference and lose we are out, whereas we'd be in having played no title game.

Yes. This is the “…as opposed to playing ourselves out of the playoffs” that I referenced.

It’s also no guarantee that a 10-2 ND is in, in which case the CCG gives us a chance to play ourselves in/out and control our destiny.

I just think the pros of the extra game outweigh the cons, and more often than not it’d be beneficial to our playoff situation. Agree to disagree.

 

[stlnd01]

The conference landscape can change overnight. Nothing wrong with a conference consisting of Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.

Do you truthfully believe an ACC is more enticing than that...?

Hey this year we got to play Duke, NC State AND Wake Forest!

 

[IrishLax]

The conference landscape can change overnight. Nothing wrong with a conference consisting of Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.

Do you truthfully believe an ACC is more enticing than that...?

Basically where I’m at. When the Big Ten was a regional conference of mostly boring schools it provided zero value to ND. That’s no longer the case.

 

[OhioIrish]

The conference landscape can change overnight. Nothing wrong with a conference consisting of Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.

Do you truthfully believe an ACC is more enticing than that...?

If feasible, I 100% believe that. Outside of USC, there’s nothing special about those teams you’ve listed and ND can just schedule them as out-of-conference. The more important consideration is having a regular footprint in the region where the population is shifting, where football matters most, and where recruiting is most likely to produce results.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I flip flop constantly on this topic. I think joining the B1G is inevitable, but I'll definitely be sad to see the last big domino fall on the old age of cfb.

Me too.

I've come to believe that the big football schools will split off and do their own thing in order to shed the bottom fourth of the B1G/SEC without actually booting them from their historical conferences (because that's much harder).

In which case, moving before that happens gets ND's non-football sports into the B1G.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

ND Football's status as an independent and the amount of money they stand to make or lose by joining the Big Ten ultimately mean zero to me as a peon subway alum. They're my grandfather's team. Very little changes for me because of that.

I don't see a dime of any revenue this football program makes. I just want to be able to see them on TV and don't care who they play. Another National Championship before I leave the Earth would be the first in my children's lifetimes. I'm more inclined to look at that versus everything else.

 

[NDdomer2]

i know it was reported somewhere here on IE, but anyone recall what the new NBC deal is bringing ND?

ESPN reporting all the SEC schools will be getting 51.3m each.