NFL MVP

[Nothingman]

Really enjoyed the MLB MVP discussion and thought I would kick this topic off. Still two weeks left in the season but the field seems to be narrowed down to a select few. Discuss.

 

[NDPhilly]

Adrian Peterson.

 

[Rack Em]

Jay Cutler

 

[yankeeND]

All Day got me to my FF championship next week! Gets my vote all day!

 

[Irishnuke]

Gotta be Peyton.

 

[RuntheBall]

Tebow.

 

[irishog77]

Gotta be Peyton.

You mean the guy who lead a team who won their division last year and got a playoff win to be able to win their division again? It could very well be him, but there's definitely no "gotta be" about it.

AD tore his ACL and MCL on Christmas Eve last year...and is threatening one of the most revered NFL records less than a year later. Oh, he also has an absolute sh!tsandwich of a QB, no other playmakers on offense (especially with Harvin out), opposing defenses know exactly what is coming at them, and his team is in the playoff hunt after posting 3(?) wins last year. Yeah, I'd say Peterson deserves at least a couple votes.

 

[scUM Hater]

Miguel Cabrera, and is he considered in the other option?

 

[NDGirlzRock]

You mean the guy who lead a team who won their division last year and got a playoff win to be able to win their division again? It could very well be him, but there's definitely no "gotta be" about it.

AD tore his ACL and MCL on Christmas Eve last year...and is threatening one of the most revered NFL records less than a year later. Oh, he also has an absolute sh!tsandwich of a QB, no other playmakers on offense (especially with Harvin out), opposing defenses know exactly what is coming at them, and his team is in the playoff hunt after posting 3(?) wins last year. Yeah, I'd say Peterson deserves at least a couple votes.

Doesn't see like you Kyle Rudolph too much then does it???

 

[NDinMich]

Who has the highest WAR?

AP could surpass ED's yardage record right, on a surgically repaired knee, MVP

 

[irishog77]

Doesn't see like you Kyle Rudolph too much then does it???

You serious?

I like Rudolph a lot. But me liking him doesn't change the fact that he's not really a threat to bust one at any given time nor are defensive coaches spending sleepless nights the week before a game wondering how to contain him.

 

[Da Rattlensnakes]

I don't know why people even bring up the injuries in this discussion. This is MVP not Comeback POY. Nothing about being injured last year makes him the most valuable player this year. I think it clearly comes down to Peyton and AP, if AP can lead the Vikings to the playoffs then id go with him if not then Peyton.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm going with Peyton, and it has nothing to do with me being in Denver (i'm a Bears fan).

My reasoning is based first and foremost with the fact that Denver is about to get a first round bye and will compete for a championship this year. The Vikings are fighting hard, but very well may still miss the playoffs. I don't see how a guy that plays on a bad team can win the MVP. What good is being "most valuable" to your team if your team doesn't accomplish anything?

If you take Peyton or AP off their respective teams, they both take a drastic turn in how good they are, but AP's team would still probably have the same outcome... missing the playoffs.

He very well may beat Dickerson's rushing record, so it's weird that he doesn't win the MVP, but I feel like you have to actually propel your team to be valuable. AP is his own MVP, because he is having a highlight year. It just isn't helping his team win enough ball games.

 

[dudesthisisthebest]

J.J Watt

 

[irishog77]

I'm going with Peyton, and it has nothing to do with me being in Denver (i'm a Bears fan).

My reasoning is based first and foremost with the fact that Denver is about to get a first round bye and will compete for a championship this year. The Vikings are fighting hard, but very well may still miss the playoffs. I don't see how a guy that plays on a bad team can win the MVP. What good is being "most valuable" to your team if your team doesn't accomplish anything?

If you take Peyton or AP off their respective teams, they both take a drastic turn in how good they are, but AP's team would still probably have the same outcome... missing the playoffs.

He very well may beat Dickerson's rushing record, so it's weird that he doesn't win the MVP, but I feel like you have to actually propel your team to be valuable. AP is his own MVP, because he is having a highlight year. It just isn't helping his team win enough ball games.

Except that Manning was off his team last year...and that team still won their division and made the playoffs...and won a game in the playoffs. So based on that, how valuable is he really to his team? Take AD away from the Vikings and what would they be? Maaaybe a 4, 5 win team, tops. The way they'll finish, you could argue he alone has provided them with those extra wins to get to 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6. That's pretty damn valuable! It's not his fault his QB and team suck.

I think a comparison can be made with the Heisman Trophy-- if Te'o couldn't win it this year, then when will a pure defensive player ever win the award? And perhaps the award really should just be re-named the Best Offensive Player Award. Maybe the NFL MVP should just be renamed the Best QB on a Playoff Team Award?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Running backs aren't valuable enough to warrant an MVP award. In the NFL it is the least important position. Peterson is having one of the best seasons for a running back ever and his team still is on the playoff fringe. When a QB has one of the best seasons ever, his team is usually the best in the league.

 

[woolybug25]

Except that Manning was off his team last year...and that team still won their division and made the playoffs...and won a game in the playoffs. So based on that, how valuable is he really to his team? Take AD away from the Vikings and what would they be? Maaaybe a 4, 5 win team, tops. The way they'll finish, you could argue he alone has provided them with those extra wins to get to 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6. That's pretty damn valuable! It's not his fault his QB and team suck.

I think a comparison can be made with the Heisman Trophy-- if Te'o couldn't win it this year, then when will a pure defensive player ever win the award? And perhaps the award really should just be re-named the Best Offensive Player Award. Maybe the NFL MVP should just be renamed the Best QB on a Playoff Team Award?

I see your point, but don't necessarily agree with it. They were a low end playoff team that was riding a Tebow wave that wouldn't have lasted. They really outperformed last year.

That being said, I don't think there is a measurable difference between the Vikings being a 4 win team and an 8 win team if they miss the playoffs in both scenarios. How important is AP if he doesn't raise them into the playoffs? His team is probably still overperforming right now, and they will probably still miss the playoffs. Meanwhile, Peyton's team is not only a playoff team, but a serious contender for the Super Bowl.

 

[irishog77]

I see your point, but don't necessarily agree with it. They were a low end playoff team that was riding a Tebow wave that wouldn't have lasted. They really outperformed last year.

That being said, I don't think there is a measurable difference between the Vikings being a 4 win team and an 8 win team if they miss the playoffs in both scenarios. How important is AP if he doesn't raise them into the playoffs? His team is probably still overperforming right now, and they will probably still miss the playoffs. Meanwhile, Peyton's team is not only a playoff team, but a serious contender for the Super Bowl.

I get what you're saying too. And I think we all have kind of our "legit" SB contenders, but yet virtually every year a top team loses early in the playoffs and we also have a Steelers/Giants/Cardinals/Packers/Giants (again) non "legit" team make a real run at winning it all, or actually winning it all in all but one of those teams cases. The Broncos and Packers lost in the same round of the playoffs last year, except the Broncos actually beat their defending conference champion in the process.

Also, the MVP is based completely and entirely on regular season performance. What teams do in the postseason is completely immaterial (based on the merits of the award at least). If the Vikings win their last 2, get in the dance, then go on to win it all, would that, in retrospect, make Peterson a more vindicated winner? Similarly, if Manning loses his first game (wether it's in the wild card round or divisional round), would that make him less deserving?

 

[Redbar]

You mean the guy who lead a team who won their division last year and got a playoff win to be able to win their division again? It could very well be him, but there's definitely no "gotta be" about it.

AD tore his ACL and MCL on Christmas Eve last year...and is threatening one of the most revered NFL records less than a year later. Oh, he also has an absolute sh!tsandwich of a QB, no other playmakers on offense (especially with Harvin out), opposing defenses know exactly what is coming at them, and his team is in the playoff hunt after posting 3(?) wins last year. Yeah, I'd say Peterson deserves at least a couple votes.

Exactly this.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yep, me again....

 

[Irish4Life09]

All Day got me to my FF championship next week! Gets my vote all day!

Same here....all my friends in my league thought I was an idiot for taking him in the 3rd round.Joke's on them.

 

[Irishnuke]

Except that Manning was off his team last year...and that team still won their division and made the playoffs...and won a game in the playoffs. So based on that, how valuable is he really to his team? Take AD away from the Vikings and what would they be? Maaaybe a 4, 5 win team, tops. The way they'll finish, you could argue he alone has provided them with those extra wins to get to 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6. That's pretty damn valuable! It's not his fault his QB and team suck.

I think a comparison can be made with the Heisman Trophy-- if Te'o couldn't win it this year, then when will a pure defensive player ever win the award? And perhaps the award really should just be re-named the Best Offensive Player Award. Maybe the NFL MVP should just be renamed the Best QB on a Playoff Team Award?

If improvement in wins is your measuring stick for MVP, then Andrew Luck should win in a landslide.

 

[rtrn2glory]

anyone of peyton, AP, or Brady is well deserving.

my vote goes to peyton though...

 

[Irish8248]

Manning unless AP breaks the record

 

[ickythump1225]

Adrian Peterson. There is no other choice. If AD can't get the MVP this year they might as well rename it the "MVQB" award.

 

[ickythump1225]

I'm going with Peyton, and it has nothing to do with me being in Denver (i'm a Bears fan).

My reasoning is based first and foremost with the fact that Denver is about to get a first round bye and will compete for a championship this year. The Vikings are fighting hard, but very well may still miss the playoffs. I don't see how a guy that plays on a bad team can win the MVP. What good is being "most valuable" to your team if your team doesn't accomplish anything?

If you take Peyton or AP off their respective teams, they both take a drastic turn in how good they are, but AP's team would still probably have the same outcome... missing the playoffs.

He very well may beat Dickerson's rushing record, so it's weird that he doesn't win the MVP, but I feel like you have to actually propel your team to be valuable. AP is his own MVP, because he is having a highlight year. It just isn't helping his team win enough ball games.

If you take Peyton off the Broncos they are still a playoff team as demonstrated last year. You take AP off of the Vikes and we have 2 wins maybe.

What more do you want from Adrian Peterson to prove he's "helping his team" win? There are 21 other starters who need to do their jobs to win. Teams are putting 8 or even 9 men in the box because they know we are going to run and Peterson still gets 150+ a game. My god he went for 210 yards against Green Bay and Ponder managed to screw that game up and we lost. AP is the very definition of "valuable." Without him we're probably picking #1 overall...he is literally carrying a 3 win team (from last year) to the brink of the playoffs. He's on the brink of breaking a record that has stood for almost 30 years.

I just don't know what people who don't think AP deserves the MVP want from him? Is he supposed to magically make our QB not suck? Upgrade our dreadful WR corps by himself? Solidify our interior DL on his own? Peyton Manning came to a team that won a playoff game and newsflash, they're still good and he's the MVP? I get it we're not 12-2 but that's not because of Adrian Peterson and it's not like we have 6 wins. If the season ended today we're in the tournament. If we go on the road and beat Houston and then come home and beat the Packers it won't be because Ponder had a Brady moment. It'll be riding our thoroughbred to the finish line. Give the man the MVP.

 

[ickythump1225]

Running backs aren't valuable enough to warrant an MVP award. In the NFL it is the least important position. Peterson is having one of the best seasons for a running back ever and his team still is on the playoff fringe. When a QB has one of the best seasons ever, his team is usually the best in the league.

This logic is just deeply flawed. If that's the case should it be made a QB only award?

 

[ickythump1225]

Except that Manning was off his team last year...and that team still won their division and made the playoffs...and won a game in the playoffs. So based on that, how valuable is he really to his team? Take AD away from the Vikings and what would they be? Maaaybe a 4, 5 win team, tops. The way they'll finish, you could argue he alone has provided them with those extra wins to get to 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6. That's pretty damn valuable! It's not his fault his QB and team suck.

I think a comparison can be made with the Heisman Trophy-- if Te'o couldn't win it this year, then when will a pure defensive player ever win the award? And perhaps the award really should just be re-named the Best Offensive Player Award. Maybe the NFL MVP should just be renamed the Best QB on a Playoff Team Award?

There's no way the Vikings have 4 wins without Peterson. We have 2 wins....maybe 3.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Its A.P. and it really shouldn't be that close

 

[irishog77]

If improvement in wins is your measuring stick for MVP, then Andrew Luck should win in a landslide.

It's not, but it's certainly something that should be considered.

Furthermore, why don't you read the posts, put them into proper context of an entire discussion, THEN make a pseudo-intellectual post.