Next ND Offensive Coordinator - the search

[dublinirish]

Brian Hartline has called as many plays as everyone on this board. I really don’t get the infatuation with him at this point.

five star receivers

 

[ACamp1900]

People don’t actually believe we would suddenly start landing 5 star WRs with ease if Hartline was here right?

Nah, no one really thinks that.... we believe we should start landing five stars with ease regardless of who the coach is,........................

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Moorhead is the only one who’s landed a 5 star QB.

I know nothing of Candle offensively, the handicap on him is he’s underachieved given the resource advantage at Toledo, but that may speak to his HC ability more.

I would still choose Johnson, even if it’s one year, but would love two.

.628 winning percentage and 2 MAC Championships since 2016. Is he underachieving relative to the rest of the conference, Matt Campbell or other G5 schools?

I'm more concerned with why he isn't a head coach somewhere else by now and from what I am gathering there is fire to the smoke that he's an abrasive personality and potential locker room poison.

 

[ndfanatic78]

five star receivers

But Freeman doesn't need a home run recruiter as an OC we got Freeman for that and all the position coaches. We need someone at OC that will balance Freeman's lack of offensive prowess. The list we have been hearing does exactly that and is very impressive by any standard. The first priority from what we have been hearing is play calling experience. If thats the case Hartline wouldn't even get a call.

 

[NDdomer2]

People don’t actually believe we would suddenly start landing 5 star WRs with ease if Hartline was here right?

people thought we should use GAs as our QB coach so yes im sure people think this.

 

[notredomer23]

I'd argue unless it's an internal promotion, nearly anybody that gets hired is going to be a 1 year rental IF the offense is going to be as good as we think it should be.

 

[Dale]

ND has already taken a page out of OSUs playbook. They’ve offered like 6 kids from the California Power 7-7 team led by CJ Carr. That’s exactly what OSU did just last year with South Florida Express to land much of the 2023 and 2024 class skill wise.

Not as talent rich but they had a run at C3 Elite too. Danny O’Neal, Aneyas Williams, Zavier Hamilton, a few others all had the spurt of visits together.

Freeman knows the game.

Pylon which is the organization that puts on a lot of these tourneys has relationships with these schools. Think the 7-7 tourney at Washington just recently. Miami always gets one too. Freeman needs to (and likely is) fix that. They had a 7-7 tourney in Chicago during the dead period when no one could visit ND a few years ago. Ridiculous.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think Lewis is my #1 as well. Just curious though why are you so down on Candle?

Somebody has to be fifth on a list of five.

There is credence to him being toxic when it comes to his personality and interactions with others. I could never figure out why he wasn't already a P5 Head coach but a few months back on this board someone mentioned he's got personality baggage. I checked it out and there is something to it. I don't think it is all that surprising seeing as how he started at Toledo under Tim Beckman, a doofus who crashed out of coaching entirely before he was 50.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[dang227]

I'll take anybody but Candle


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[Giddyup]

Heard the opposite on Candle. From a recent SI piece.

“Candle is known for having good relationships with his players and collaborating well with other coaches... things Gattis reportedly didn't excel at.”

 

[Free Manera]

I have a hard time seeing Lewis being viable. Its predicated on tempo. Are we sure Freeman wants the offense to have that much pace?

One of the beat reporters said being able to go tempo is on the list of preferred traits.

 

[Free Manera]

Although after watching the scan offense for a year, I think "tempo" could just mean snapping the ball before 10% of the viewers fall asleep in their lazy boy.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Seems like everything we already know, but there’s this,

Notre Dame offensive coordinator search: Report on vetted candidates

The question surrounding Notre Dame football this offseason went from \

fightingirishwire.usatoday.com

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'll take anybody but Candle


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I don't know that I would go this far. If they vet him and hire him, so be it, but he's a more viable candidate right now than names like Mullen, Herman and Hartline. That I know and that's what's most important.

Make the hire for right now. Don't worry about what happens a year from now or even two. Make the hire in this moment and go to work for 2022.

 

[notredomer23]

I don't really like Candle, but we're kidding ourselves that it's not a homerun taking a 2 time MAC winning head coach to be your OC. Probably just a valuable perspective like Golden to have outside of simply being OC, too.

 

[Huntr]

One of the beat reporters said being able to go tempo is on the list of preferred traits.

Sampson on the II pod.

 

[Free Manera]

Re: the "power 5 coordinator mystery candidate"

ND has supposedly talked to 24+ candidates and I have only seen maybe like 12 names put out by the media. Therefore, tons of "mystery candidates" are out there and I'm sure at least one of them is a power 5 coordinator.

 

[irishff1014]

Re: the "power 5 coordinator mystery candidate"

ND has supposedly talked to 24+ candidates and I have only seen maybe like 12 names put out by the media. Therefore, tons of "mystery candidates" are out there and I'm sure at least one of them is a power 5 coordinator.

Or just some people that aren't options.

 

[Free Manera]

Our just some people that aren't options.

For sure, my point is just that throwing in a "mystery candidate" to that article doesn't really mean much.

 

[Luckylucci]

I have a hard time seeing Lewis being viable. Its predicated on tempo. Are we sure Freeman wants the offense to have that much pace?

I could be misremembering this, but I thought Freeman said during his HC acceptance presser or one of his media appearances shortly after, that he wanted to be aggressive in all phases of the game. And, I remember thinking this means Tommy is going to open up the offense with Buch at QB. So, how much of last years offense was Freeman's vision for the offense and how much of it was based on personnel?

All questions that I think this hire and the subsequent events that follow will be very interesting to track.

 

[dublinirish]

I could be misremembering this, but I thought Freeman said during his HC acceptance presser or one of his media appearances shortly after, that he wanted to be aggressive in all phases of the game. And, I remember thinking this means Tommy is going to open up the offense with Buch at QB. So, how much of last years offense was Freeman's vision for the offense and how much of it was based on personnel?

All questions that I think this hire and the subsequent events that follow will be very interesting to track.

His mentor and sounding board is Jim Tressel the proper antithesis of being aggressive in any phase of the game. I wouldn't put any stock in what MF said on this topic.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I don't really like Candle, but we're kidding ourselves that it's not a homerun taking a 2 time MAC winning head coach to be your OC. Probably just a valuable perspective like Golden to have outside of simply being OC, too.

Agreed. Candle, Lewis, Moorhead all have that HC experience like Golden does. Freeman has barely a dozen games coached as an HC.

Listen, Candle and Lewis have both done positive things with backup QBs during the season. These are back up MAC QBs, folks, not some four or five star dude who got his ass kissing from Miami to L.A. That may as well be getting blood from a stone.

If he's the guy, so be it.

 

[Luckylucci]

His mentor and sounding board is Jim Tressel the proper antithesis of being aggressive in any phase of the game. I wouldn't put any stock in what MF said on this topic.

Well his ST’s are very aggressive so I don’t think that’s relevant to everything.

 

[Katzenboyer]

His mentor and sounding board is Jim Tressel the proper antithesis of being aggressive in any phase of the game. I wouldn't put any stock in what MF said on this topic.

So because Tressel ran a conservative offense, and MF speaks with Tressel, MF is full of it?

That makes no sense, especially considering how aggressive Freeman's defenses were.

 

[dublinirish]

So because Tressel ran a conservative offense, and MF speaks with Tressel, MF is full of it?

That makes no sense, especially considering how aggressive Freeman's defenses were.

The formation of Marcus Freeman: How Ohio State shaped his Notre Dame blueprint

As mentor Jim Tressel watches Saturday's game at Ohio Stadium, he may see as much of himself in Notre Dame as he does Ohio State.

theathletic.com

 

[irishog77]

His mentor and sounding board is Jim Tressel the proper antithesis of being aggressive in any phase of the game. I wouldn't put any stock in what MF said on this topic.

I could be misremembering this, but I thought Freeman said during his HC acceptance presser or one of his media appearances shortly after, that he wanted to be aggressive in all phases of the game. And, I remember thinking this means Tommy is going to open up the offense with Buch at QB. So, how much of last years offense was Freeman's vision for the offense and how much of it was based on personnel?

All questions that I think this hire and the subsequent events that follow will be very interesting to track.

He definitely said something along those lines, Lucky. And consequent words and actions have seem to indicate that's what he'd like to do.

But brings up an interesting point made by Dublin. Maybe not so much about Tressel though. The team came out super aggressive in the Fiesta Bowl in his first game ever as a HC. Then it blew up in his face. In his first real game as a HC to start this season, having 8 months to essentially prepare for it and try and make a statement about who they are and who they are going to be, MF was super conservative, at least offensively, against ohio state.

Bottom line, I think in a perfect world, MF probably thought/thinks being aggressive is great and sounds good to players, recruits, and fans, but the reality is sometimes you can't be. I chalk up most of those "being aggressive" words to being inexperienced as a coach. Maybe in the next year or two he figures out exactly who he wants to be and then who he actually can be as a head coach.

 

[irishog77]

Seems like everything we already know, but there’s this,

Notre Dame offensive coordinator search: Report on vetted candidates

The question surrounding Notre Dame football this offseason went from \

fightingirishwire.usatoday.com

Not knocking you, WW. Thanks for posting.

But I hate articles like this. It's just a re-report of the Football Scoop article. Nick Shepkowski should have the decency not to try and credit himself for an "article," when his entire article is based off another article.

 

[Ndaccountant]

MF has said numerous times dominating the line on both sides is what he is shooting for. We have seen it before where dominant running can be run out of spread and tempo. Lewis does run a fair bit and loves pulling two lineman on seemingly most plays. I just wasn't sure if MF wants to go that fast. Very few teams do and of the ones that do, I don't think any of them have stout defenses. Time will tell.

 

[Luckylucci]

MF has said numerous times dominating the line on both sides is what he is shooting for. We have seen it before where dominant running can be run out of spread and tempo. Lewis does run a fair bit and loves pulling two lineman on seemingly most plays. I just wasn't sure if MF wants to go that fast. Very few teams do and of the ones that do, I don't think any of them have stout defenses. Time will tell.

Agreed and aggressive doesn't have to mean tempo. I should have included that in my previous post

 

[DONTH8]

How do we have 30+ pages of discourse and my boy Mike Sanford isn't getting mentioned?

Dude is currently available after getting Colorado a dub last year as HC. The disrespect.