ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[forkbeard3777]

I just listened to an episode of the "Always Irish" for the first-time this morning. Holy shit, that podcaster/host...

Is that normal? I thought I was having an epileptic seizure.

 

[forkbeard3777]

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ReliaQust Bowl versus TAMU lol

Tampa is nice that time of year...

In all seriousness, Notre Dame better be in a better game than that. Anything below a 9-3 season would be an epic failure for Notre Dame. You've essentially got three games on your schedule: Ohio State, USC, and @ Clemson. Now, I certainly don't believe Notre Dame will go 0-3 in those, but that's it. Sure, you've got a couple of "respectable opponent games": @ NC State and Pitt (maybe, maybe Duke, but dear God, if Notre Dame can't simply show up, line up across Duke, and annihilate Duke, you're a lot further off than you initially thought), in which, Notre Dame undoubtedly should go 2-0/3-0.

That said, Notre Dame should be pushing for the Playoffs and/or New Year's six bowls. Nothing less.

 

[ulukinatme]

Kahoun tweeted out his commitment at 7:19 this morning.
Rivals, 247 & IB all posted it with an article between 7:20 to 7:30.
People started talking about it on the ND On3 message board around then & the threads all got deleted. Then an hour later On3 posted he committed. They either had no idea or were not paying attention.
Bad look for them to delete posts & chastise subscribers because they can’t do their own job.

You're suggesting that On3 doesn't do their due diligence?!

 

[Irishdrunk]

IB is not my drug of choice but his bk hating schtick plays well to me and a solid majority of his potential audience. BK is an evil villain, he believes in nothing, he stands for nothing, he is your typical vacuous politician type clawing up an imaginary ladder to points unknown leaving a randomized trail of successes and failures along the way. It means he will have damn near equal parts sycophants who were bettered by his presence and detractors by those he burned :;;but in clear some total BK is a cock sucker and anytime he is literally or rhetorically (by the mountain dewed Jaba) smacked, I certainly raise a hearty cheer. As a Notre Dame for oh so many reasons BK can eat a dick.

BK believes in himself. He is an opportunist and that is why ND fans now hate him. But I think we are all learning that the ND Admin is also a bunch of scrooges when it comes to truly hunting down a Natty. BK had to deal with that - which frankly is a built-in and very legitimate excuse. He won't have such issues or an excuse at LSU.

Therefore, I tend to take my anger out on the ND Admin more so than be angry at BK and his departure. I think they give lip service to so-called National Title Program Mandate - which is just infuriating if you are actually an ND Fan.

 

[Reaper97]

I just listened to an episode of the "Always Irish" for the first-time this morning. Holy shit, that podcaster/host...

Is that normal? I thought I was having an epileptic seizure.

I’ve never made it past 2 minutes with him.

 

[stlnd01]

Tampa is nice that time of year...

In all seriousness, Notre Dame better be in a better game than that. Anything below a 9-3 season would be an epic failure for Notre Dame. You've essentially got three games on your schedule: Ohio State, USC, and @ Clemson. Now, I certainly don't believe Notre Dame will go 0-3 in those, but that's it. Sure, you've got a couple of "respectable opponent games": @ NC State and Pitt (maybe, maybe Duke, but dear God, if Notre Dame can't simply show up, line up across Duke, and annihilate Duke, you're a lot further off than you initially thought), in which, Notre Dame undoubtedly should go 2-0/3-0.

That said, Notre Dame should be pushing for the Playoffs and/or New Year's six bowls. Nothing less.

Yes Notre Dame should be pushing for an NY6 or better, but at 9-3 we could definitely land in the Outback Bowl. Especially if there are two Big 10 teams and two SEC teams in the NY6. Could even happen at 10-2, depending on the breaks. (and even if we beat Clemson they could still go to the Orange Bowl over us b/c that's the one ACC slot we can't take).
There are only two or three at-large slots in the NY6 that we can qualify for. It's kind of a problem.

 

[dublinirish]

Tampa is nice that time of year...

FAKE NEWS. It's common knowledge that Tampa stinks all year round

 

[NDQuebec]

Tampa is nice that time of year...

In all seriousness, Notre Dame better be in a better game than that. Anything below a 9-3 season would be an epic failure for Notre Dame. You've essentially got three games on your schedule: Ohio State, USC, and @ Clemson. Now, I certainly don't believe Notre Dame will go 0-3 in those, but that's it. Sure, you've got a couple of "respectable opponent games": @ NC State and Pitt (maybe, maybe Duke, but dear God, if Notre Dame can't simply show up, line up across Duke, and annihilate Duke, you're a lot further off than you initially thought), in which, Notre Dame undoubtedly should go 2-0/3-0.

That said, Notre Dame should be pushing for the Playoffs and/or New Year's six bowls. Nothing less.

How times have changed. Only a few years back, 10-2 was not satisfactory. Now we are talking about settling for 9-3.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

How times have changed. Only a few years back, 10-2 was not satisfactory. Now we are talking about settling for 9-3.

We didn't have 3 top 10 teams on the schedule a few years ago

 

[Reaper97]

We didn't have 3 top 10 teams on the schedule a few years ago

How do we know we do this year?

Preseason rank doesn’t mean anything.

And ND lost to Marshall & the worst Stanford team in decades at home last year.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

How do we know we do this year?

Preseason rank doesn’t mean anything.

And ND lost to Marshall & the worst Stanford team in decades at home last year.

I'll give you Clemson as a maybe, but USC and Ohio St. will top 10 teams. Clemson is more tricky since its a road game.

 

[forkbeard3777]

As I continue to listen to IB, Driskell’s conspicuous hatred for both the state of Louisiana and LSU is just so humoring to me. I can’t quite figure out exact what it is, but it’s clearly more than just “BK” dropping Notre Dame for LSU.

I love that on my morning rowing workout, I put on IB's Rapid Fire, and the subject title is, "Antonio Carter snubs LSU." Then, the two lackeys, Sean and Vince, just gloated and boasted over nabbing Carter over LSU. Look, it's a good get. He needs to be immediately plugged in at safety. Be happy about it. However, for a site and platform (Irish Breakdown) that purportedly hates BK and maintains that he was a poor coach, was a poor recruiter, and did a poor job, they sure are awfully petty.

 

[forkbeard3777]

I'll give you Clemson as a maybe, but USC and Ohio St. will top 10 teams. Clemson is more tricky since its a road game.

I agree. However, I did like the moxie from what little I've seen from Klubnik for Clemson. Ohio State should take a step back, albeit a small one, with the loss of Stroud. But, they're Ohio State and have a ton of talent. Regrettably, I think USC is the real deal this year. You know what you're getting offensively, and they've improved their defense over the off season.

 

[IrishSpartan]

I love that on my morning rowing workout, I put on IB's Rapid Fire, and the subject title is, "Antonio Carter snubs LSU." Then, the two lackeys, Sean and Vince, just gloated and boasted over nabbing Carter over LSU. Look, it's a good get. He needs to be immediately plugged in at safety. Be happy about it. However, for a site and platform (Irish Breakdown) that purportedly hates BK and maintains that he was a poor coach, was a poor recruiter, and did a poor job, they sure are awfully petty.

Vince D is a awful I stay far away from any of his content

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I agree. However, I did like the moxie from what little I've seen from Klubnik for Clemson. Ohio State should take a step back, albeit a small one, with the loss of Stroud. But, they're Ohio State and have a ton of talent. Regrettably, I think USC is the real deal this year. You know what you're getting offensively, and they've improved their defense over the off season.

I'm not saying Cade isn't going to work out for the Tigers, but he looked absolutely lost in their bowl game against Tennessee. It was some ugly offensive football and he had over a month to prepare for that one as "the guy" after DJ transferred.

He's uber talented, I just don't know if the lightbulb has clicked mentally for him, or if it will as a true Sophomore.

I'm much more worried about USC and OSU this year than Clemson, even on the road. I'm definitely not implying that's going to be a cakewalk for ND and I'm not calling a win now lol, but on paper they're inferior to USC and OSU is all.

It's helpful that it's a road environment that Hartman is familiar with, having played there twice.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I suppose BD is petty to BK because BK was petty to him. I don't know what BD did to deserve BK's Div III comment back to BD but it probably wasn't a deferential question by BD to precipitate the exchange.

Probably a chicken or the egg thing between them. The funny thing is BD is podcasting his hatred and basically stating how little BK knows and BK is heading up a Top 10 Program for obscene amounts of money.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I'm not saying Cade isn't going to work out for the Tigers, but he looked absolutely lost in their bowl game against Tennessee. It was some ugly offensive football and he had over a month to prepare for that one as "the guy" after DJ transferred.

He's uber talented, I just don't know if the lightbulb has clicked mentally for him, or if it will as a true Sophomore.

I'm much more worried about USC and OSU this year than Clemson, even on the road. I'm definitely not implying that's going to be a cakewalk for ND and I'm not calling a win now lol, but on paper they're inferior to USC and OSU is all.

It's helpful that it's a road environment that Hartman is familiar with, having played there twice.

Agreed. I think if ND wins 1-3 that is good and 2-3 would be really great. 3-0 and MF will be discussed in the light we thought he was capable of. Still a tough schedule regardless. I don't think BK had this type of Top 3 opponents most of the time FWIW.

 

[T-Boone]

I just listened to an episode of the "Always Irish" for the first-time this morning. Holy shit, that podcaster/host...

Is that normal? I thought I was having an epileptic seizure.

I think he is great. Just a passionate fan.

 

[forkbeard3777]

I'm not saying Cade isn't going to work out for the Tigers, but he looked absolutely lost in their bowl game against Tennessee. It was some ugly offensive football and he had over a month to prepare for that one as "the guy" after DJ transferred.

He's uber talented, I just don't know if the lightbulb has clicked mentally for him, or if it will as a true Sophomore.

I'm much more worried about USC and OSU this year than Clemson, even on the road. I'm definitely not implying that's going to be a cakewalk for ND and I'm not calling a win now lol, but on paper they're inferior to USC and OSU is all.

It's helpful that it's a road environment that Hartman is familiar with, having played there twice.

Good point. Hartman's familiarity with their roster through previous scouting and film will greatly help, too.

I doubt it'll happen, but I'd love for ND to catch them in a day game scenario as opposed to a night game. I haven't been (planning on going in 2025 presuming they're still on the schedule), but they appear to have an electric night game atmosphere.

 

[DONTH8]

I'll give you Clemson as a maybe, but USC and Ohio St. will top 10 teams. Clemson is more tricky since its a road game.

I think Clemson is going to be much improved. Garrett Riley will make a huge difference. Their offense was so stagnant, now they should have an offense that is able to house it on any given play. I'd say they should be top 10.

 

[NDQuebec]

Agreed. I think if ND wins 1-3 that is good and 2-3 would be really great. 3-0 and MF will be discussed in the light we thought he was capable of. Still a tough schedule regardless. I don't think BK had this type of Top 3 opponents most of the time FWIW.

I don't think winning 1 out of 3 can be considered good. Particularly if they lose another one to a lesser opponent. Whatever happened to the "10-2 is not good enough, that's BK's ceiling and MF will get us to a national championship" remarks? I remember last year, before the beginning of the season, when several sites stated that 10-2 was the absolute floor. You make it sound like you lowered the floor and the ceiling. I can't wait to hear what the other sites say about ND's floor this year. IMO, anything less than 10-2 just won't be acceptable, despite NIL, the portal etc.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I don't think winning 1 out of 3 can be considered good. Particularly if they lose another one to a lesser opponent. Whatever happened to the "10-2 is not good enough, that's BK's ceiling and MF will get us to a national championship" remarks? I remember last year, before the beginning of the season, when several sites stated that 10-2 was the absolute floor. You make it sound like you lowered the floor and the ceiling. I can't wait to hear what the other sites say about ND's floor this year. IMO, anything less than 10-2 just won't be acceptable, despite NIL, the portal etc.

Exactly, and we SHOULD be better and are set up to be much better this year than next year. We have a frichan probably top 5 college qb at worst top 10. Unless we hit the portal again for 2024 and get a top proven QB, we'll have significant drop off at QB in the 24 season.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I don't think winning 1 out of 3 can be considered good. Particularly if they lose another one to a lesser opponent. Whatever happened to the "10-2 is not good enough, that's BK's ceiling and MF will get us to a national championship" remarks? I remember last year, before the beginning of the season, when several sites stated that 10-2 was the absolute floor. You make it sound like you lowered the floor and the ceiling. I can't wait to hear what the other sites say about ND's floor this year. IMO, anything less than 10-2 just won't be acceptable, despite NIL, the portal etc.

I would be assuming 9-3 with maybe one other loss...no dumb losses. I think 10-2 would be great and likely be a Top 10 finish.

 

[forkbeard3777]

I don't think winning 1 out of 3 can be considered good. Particularly if they lose another one to a lesser opponent. Whatever happened to the "10-2 is not good enough, that's BK's ceiling and MF will get us to a national championship" remarks? I remember last year, before the beginning of the season, when several sites stated that 10-2 was the absolute floor. You make it sound like you lowered the floor and the ceiling. I can't wait to hear what the other sites say about ND's floor this year. IMO, anything less than 10-2 just won't be acceptable, despite NIL, the portal etc.

Assuming everyone stays relatively healthy throughout the year, excluding Ohio State, USC, and Clemson, I think Notre Dame has to run the table this year. There is no excuse not to. You've got your quarterback, an elite offensive line, a top 10 running back, and capable wide receivers. Your defense has some question marks littered throughout, and it needs to improve (particularly in the redzone). But, it wasn't necessarily a "bad" defense - especially given last year's offensive/Pyne's impediments. There is no excuse for losing any other games in my opinion. I'll admit that NC State, Pitt, and Duke won't roll over and lay down, but frankly, Notre Dame should be putting those caliber teams well out of commission by late 3rd quarter.

That leaves the remaining three. Luckily, 2/3 are at home. Going 0-fer would be disappointing. Winning 1 or 2 would be great. Winning all 3 would be ecstatic. However, that USC game may just be a bad matchup. I think Notre Dame will need to catch some breaks/turnovers on that one. I'm more optimistic on Ohio State given the timing of the game coupled with them breaking in a new quarterback on the road. They'll have played hardly anyone with a pulse, and Notre Dame (hopefully) will have a solid road win in NC State under its belt. Also, luckily, unlike previous seasons, I expect that ND may be in a position to "outscore" teams should they get in a shootout.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Assuming everyone stays relatively healthy throughout the year, excluding Ohio State, USC, and Clemson, I think Notre Dame has to run the table this year. There is no excuse not to. You've got your quarterback, an elite offensive line, a top 10 running back, and capable wide receivers. Your defense has some question marks littered throughout, and it needs to improve (particularly in the redzone). But, it wasn't necessarily a "bad" defense - especially given last year's offensive/Pyne's impediments. There is no excuse for losing any other games in my opinion. I'll admit that NC State, Pitt, and Duke won't roll over and lay down, but frankly, Notre Dame should be putting those caliber teams well out of commission by late 3rd quarter.

That leaves the remaining three. Luckily, 2/3 are at home. Going 0-fer would be disappointing. Winning 1 or 2 would be great. Winning all 3 would be ecstatic. However, that USC game may just be a bad matchup. I think Notre Dame will need to catch some breaks/turnovers on that one. I'm more optimistic on Ohio State given the timing of the game coupled with them breaking in a new quarterback on the road. They'll have played hardly anyone with a pulse, and Notre Dame (hopefully) will have a solid road win in NC State under its belt. Also, luckily, unlike previous seasons, I expect that ND may be in a position to "outscore" teams should they get in a shootout.

FWIW, I don't think ND will be favored in any of these matchups. The defense is a concern and a coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball and HC growing into their roles is another. If they win all 3 that would be great. This same team on year 3 of MF's tenure I would be more inclined to push for 11-1 or 12-0. Lets see how he does this year.

 

[forkbeard3777]

FWIW, I don't think ND will be favored in any of these matchups. The defense is a concern and a coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball and HC growing into their roles is another. If they win all 3 that would be great. This same team on year 3 of MF's tenure I would be more inclined to push for 11-1 or 12-0. Lets see how he does this year.

I don't either. If Clemson were at South Bend, I'd expect Notre Dame -3 being the home team. I think we can all agree that Clemson is the most favorable game of the three (even on the road); yet, I did f'ing forget about Riley's hire as OC. I expect that they'll certainly improve offensively.

Freeman needs to have a big year, imo. ND needs to competitive in these three games (I still say win one or two) and no more "hiccups." They'll be rebuilding next year (some for the better, some for the worse).

 

[forkbeard3777]

When BK opens his trap to discuss ND, that’s the only time LSU takes a momentary spotlight for me, but that’s minimal. I have never been on an LSU board and have no desire to, because I’m a Notre Dame fan. I don’t know any of their talking heads (rational or fanatical) or what any of them have to say about anything LSU, Notre Dame, or any other team, because, well, I don’t care. I don’t know how they are going to do this season, I presume well enough given the way LSU has nearly always been as a program. Otherwise, I’m comfortable being ignorant about their plans, because again, I’m a Notre Dame fan. I guess I’m old about this stuff now and need to be more progressive. All I know is if we meet again in the near future, it should be a fun game. Otherwise and then, .... Love Thee Notre Dame.

 

[forkbeard3777]

That’s you tickling BK’s balls on a Notre Dame message board or what? Your giving an assessment of what our team and Freeman needs to do on our message board is odd at best. This isn’t the NBA. We aren’t all opposing best friends in the offseason.

I mean, the guy you last agreed with in this thread is probably you having a conversation with yourself. That’s how weird it’s gotten around here as of late.

I think I’ve made it painstakingly clear that I’ve always liked, respected, and rooted for ND, you clod. Just out of curiosity, did you go to school there?

 

[PutuporShutup]

I would be assuming 9-3 with maybe one other loss...no dumb losses. I think 10-2 would be great and likely be a Top 10 finish.

10-2 must be the floor with the best qb in 11 of 12 games … qb has held us back for far too long most seasons

 

[forkbeard3777]

Is it “bridge and tunnel boy” or “clod” or both? Make up your mind. You can insult as much as you want, because I’m not buying the bullshit of how much you “respect” ND when you post LSU propaganda in a former ND player’s thread.

Well, I thought the “bridge and tunnel” remark was maybe just a tad bit too harsh; albeit, probably some underlying truth to the comment. The clod comment on the other hand…

I don’t see how my post could conceivably be construed as “LSU propaganda?” Nothing whatsoever was a jab at ND at all. Diggs has had one foot out the door prior to enrolling at ND. He was homesick, entered the portal, met with a few teams, and ultimately signed with the school approximately 50 miles from his home. Are you going to fault the kid for that?

Much like Antonio Carter leaving Rhode Island and selecting ND over LSU, Wisconsin, Ole Miss, Florida, and such…the guy (in his IB interview) sounded legitimately happy, content, and at peace with his decision. I’m sincerely happy for him and his family, I hope he thoroughly enjoys his time in South Bend, thoroughly excels there, and does phenomenal in the NFL and post-football while representing ND to the highest degree.