ND Women’s Basketball 2021-2022

[phillyirish]

Absolutely embarrassing. Down 45-6 in 2nd half.

 

[irishff1014]

What. The. Fuck.View attachment 3050376

Not the same program it once was.

 

[BabyIrish]

I’m at the game. Louisville is just tougher. We’re all finesse. Push us around and it’s over.

 

[ACamp1900]

Falling right into the ‘make them put in all the 3rd stringers’ strategy

 

[stpeteirish]

Will be hard for a well coached team to regroup from this debacle.
And I’m beginning to wonder if we are one.

 

[BabyIrish]

Here’s my thoughts on the game:
We were completely overmatched from a physical standpoint. We only had a handful of uncontested shots in the first 17 minutes of the game. I’m not sure if Louisville is just that good defensively or if we just weren’t prepared.

Then on the defensive side of the ball, we started in a zone and they torched us. Ball movement around the arc was crisp and led to easy looks. So much so that Louisville was 7/7 from 3 in their first 29 points of the game. Once we switched they then dominated us by dribble penetration.

We have to be more creative offensively against top teams. We can certainly out athlete most teams we face. But when it comes to teams like Louisville it’s not going to cut it. We have to do more offensively than try to screen or throw it into the post. Spacing, passing, and constant back cuts help soften an aggressive defense.

Defensively I’d like us to stick with more man to man then zone. We’re fast and tall enough to play man to man consistently with good help defense.

I know Coach Ivey is starting to take her lumps from fans. But lets be patient. Muffet didn’t get ND to her first final four until her 9th season. Expecting Ivey to have the women playing like Muffet did is not a reasonable expectation. It won’t be pretty every time. She has to grow as a coach too. And I believe she’s doing so. This team is still talented enough to give most teams a tough time. Just get back to the practice floor and grind in preparation for the ACC tourney.

 

[stpeteirish]

Expecting Ivey to have the women playing like Muffet did is not a reasonable expectation

Why not? Isn't that why you hire from within, to keep things rolling? Do you expect us to get worse in Football with the coaching change?

Ivey's teams have had some real meltdowns in her two years at the helm. She may grow into the job but there's red flags waving.

 

[BabyIrish]

Why not? Isn't that why you hire from within, to keep things rolling? Do you expect us to get worse in Football with the coaching change?

Ivey's teams have had some real meltdowns in her two years at the helm. She may grow into the job but there's red flags waving.

Yes I fully expect us to get worse in football in the next year or two. And others have said so as well. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Freeman on his first year on the job to be able to coach like Kelly who has 30 years on the job.

Do you remember the 2020 season with Muffet? Lost by 34 to NC St. Lost by 33 and 32 respectively to Louisville. Lost by 30 to Virginia.

Am I disappointed in todays game? Absolutely. Wasn’t exactly thrilled to spend money watching that performance. However, it doesn’t mean that Ivey can’t improve as a coach or the team can’t improve its play.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I suppose that my reaction to the first half of this game is based on poor memory, but I don't think so.
Given the quality of our personnel, that was the single worse performance I believe I've ever seen for
a Notre Dame athletic team.

Everyone has bad days, but everyone is not supposed to look low energy, low aggression, low preparedness.
That was impossible to watch --- really bad. And as to one comparison to Muffet, Muffet never had a team look
that unprepared and unengaged with anywhere near this much talent. The infamous last season for Muffet was
only because the whole team had graduated and Muffet, the ultimate loyal head coach, stayed on so as not to
stick Ivey with a bare cupboard.

I NEVER advocate thinking about letting someone go. But there's something wrong here in terms of attitude
and intense engagement --- that's a coach-thing. Dodson and Citron played hard. In the end, even they got
discouraged and over-hurried things (even Citron's foul shooting routine.) Ivey has got to get serious and hand
out some no-nonsense benchings (and probably running laps in practice for too-cool cruising.) Something has
to explain a team with only a couple of players who are willing to refuse to lose by getting fire in the belly.

That was just terrible to the point of turning off the TV in the 4th quarter when even Louisville intensity turndown
didn't make much difference. One on court commentator said they looked "afraid" early in the game --- how the
he!l is THAT possible? National commentators were actually laughing about the game. Post-game comment was
"Notre Dame never had a chance."

 

[stpeteirish]

Ivey has got to get serious and hand
out some no-nonsense benchings (and probably running laps in practice for too-cool cruising.

Can't do that-not enough players. We only have seven "healthy" scholarship players.
Direct result of having more than half of your first recruiting class leave last spring.

 

[stpeteirish]

Yes I fully expect us to get worse in football in the next year or two

You are consistent then. Which is impressive as accountability on message boards is damn near non-existent.

 

[BabyIrish]

I’m not trying to start a long debate but this is a complete overraction to two unfortunate games against Louisville. Is Niele Ivey the best coach in the country? No. Is she as good as Muffet? No. But she shouldn’t be fired because the team isn’t tough enough nor does it mean that it’s a poorly coached team.

We are 21-7 and 14-5. We have wins against the 23, 22, 18 and 3rd ranked teams in the country. That’s not a poorly coached team.

What happened today and two weeks ago can happen when a new coach with a very young team plays against a veteran team and a veteran coach. It happens. It happened to Muffet. It happened to Jeff Waltz. It’s happened to everyone. It’s another learning experience and opportunity for growth.

To address OMM’s low energy and low aggression comments. I didn’t sense that from the ND team in the building. I think they knew they were facing a tough team and came into the game with a serious attitude to fight this team. I never sensed that any of the 7 weren’t out there giving it their all. They were trying. They were just completely shut down.

I’ll definitely admit that they were unprepared. I think Walz had an idea on the adjustments he predicted we were going to make heading into the game and he was ready for it. He was one step ahead. And we didn’t adjust.

And I couldn’t give a damn what the national pundits think. This team wasn’t afraid. I was seven rows from the floor, and I never saw fear in their eyes. They looked lost more than anything.

I think this team will turn it around. Enough to win a championship? No but they won’t be dejected, especially after the double foul incident at the end of the second quarter. That lit a fire in them. It got them angry. Plus Skylar was at the game and spoke to the team post game. I’m sure her speech also gave them the boost.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Hope you're correct. Still the worst performance I've seen.

 

[BabyIrish]

Hope you're correct. Still the worst performance I've seen.

Agreed. I told my wife I’ve never seen a collegiate game against top 25 teams where a team was that dominant. It was an all time terrible performance.

 

[BabyIrish]

Irish rebound with a convincing 71-53 win over Georgia Tech to start ACC tournament play. Miami does a favor by upsetting Louisville to advance and play us in the semifinals.

 

[texbender]

UL loss opens door for Lady Irish. Let's see if they seize the moment.

 

[laughingirish90]

Miami outplayed us from the start of the game. they made several key 3 pt buckets and also played really good defense. this team needs to improve in certain areas but they can be scary good if those improvements are made and if Dodson gets the okay to return

 

[stpeteirish]

Miami outplayed us from the start of the game. they made several key 3 pt buckets and also played really good defense. this team needs to improve in certain areas but they can be scary good if those improvements are made and if Dodson gets the okay to return

"scary good"? We're a long way from that. Maybe you missed the Louisville game where we were down 41-6.
We don't have enough players (only dressed 7 non-walk ons) and don't have enough good players (four by my count, counting Dodsen). Mabry and Brunelle are only good at one thing, shooting, and woefully inconsistent at that. Peoples is a solid defender who can't hit shot to save her life.

 

[BabyIrish]

The same complaints I had against Louisville I have today. Half court offense is way too predictable stagnant. If we play anyone who can provide tough on ball pressure our offense is pretty much shut down. We thrive in transition, and you can’t win a championship based on out running your opponents.

The 2-3 zone we play allows for way too many open 3 pointers. I personally think the team is good enough to play more matchup than zone but maybe I’m wrong and this is the best we can do.

I personally think we have the talent to compete for a championship even if it’s only 7/8 deep but I don’t think they’re being put in the best place to succeed by the coaches. We’ll be lucky to make it to the Sweet 16.

 

[irishrb]

I don't know if they have the talent right now to compete for a championship, but they absolutely have better talent than what they are showing. I agree with the zone....Too often they're running around like a chicken with their head cut off and I think they wait too long to get out of it when a team gets hot from the perimeter. They are absolutely missing something...somewhere...They blow quite a bit of games late, and at times, just don't look good....at all.

 

[BabyIrish]

Got a #5 seed in the Bridgeport (East Region). The #4 seed is Oklahoma. I think that’s probably the best matchup we could get at 4/5 game. Might make the sweet 16. We’ll see though. That unfortunately leaves us playing NCSt I’m the sweet 16 and then possibly UCONN in the Elite 8. And of course UCONN won’t leave their home state till the Final Four even though they’re the two seed. NC St got royally screwed on that one.

 

[stpeteirish]

The second round game would be at Oklahoma I believe.
Bridgeport only comes into play if we win the first two.

 

[BabyIrish]

The second round game would be at Oklahoma I believe.
Bridgeport only comes into play if we win the first two.

Right, but that’s why I said NC St got royally screwed. Their the 1 seed and will likely play UCONN the 2 seed as a de facto home game in the Elite 8.

 

[stpeteirish]

Right, but that’s why I said NC St got royally screwed. Their the 1 seed and will likely play UCONN the 2 seed as a de facto home game in the Elite 8.

Yeah that bs happens every year. UConn always close to home or at home.
Until the women’s game starts to sellout their regionals regularly this will continue.
Or until Geno finally goes away

 

[tko]

I don’t care for UCONN. I’d love to smack Geno’s punk ass mug.

 

[BabyIrish]

I don’t care for UCONN. I’d love to smack Geno’s punk ass mug.

We’ll be lucky to get past UMass. I think we need to be on upset alert for that one.

 

[BrownerandFry]

I suppose that my reaction to the first half of this game is based on poor memory, but I don't think so.
Given the quality of our personnel, that was the single worse performance I believe I've ever seen for
a Notre Dame athletic team.

Everyone has bad days, but everyone is not supposed to look low energy, low aggression, low preparedness.
That was impossible to watch --- really bad. And as to one comparison to Muffet, Muffet never had a team look
that unprepared and unengaged with anywhere near this much talent. The infamous last season for Muffet was
only because the whole team had graduated and Muffet, the ultimate loyal head coach, stayed on so as not to
stick Ivey with a bare cupboard.

I NEVER advocate thinking about letting someone go. But there's something wrong here in terms of attitude
and intense engagement --- that's a coach-thing. Dodson and Citron played hard. In the end, even they got
discouraged and over-hurried things (even Citron's foul shooting routine.) Ivey has got to get serious and hand
out some no-nonsense benchings (and probably running laps in practice for too-cool cruising.) Something has
to explain a team with only a couple of players who are willing to refuse to lose by getting fire in the belly.

That was just terrible to the point of turning off the TV in the 4th quarter when even Louisville intensity turndown
didn't make much difference. One on court commentator said they looked "afraid" early in the game --- how the
he!l is THAT possible? National commentators were actually laughing about the game. Post-game comment was
"Notre Dame never had a chance."

This is concerning, not your comment, but the truth contained therein.

"how the hell is that possible" Ugh an inconvenient truth.!

 

[BabyIrish]

Irish pick up the win yesterday, but the same problems still remain. We’re inconsistent at best in our half court offense. We look dynamic when we’re in transition from a turnover or defensive rebound. But our defense isn’t good enough to give us transition offense against the elite teams. We’ll be out in the next round or two in my opinion.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[laughingirish90]

i just read elsewhere that Oklahoma doesn't have a player taller than around the 5-10 range and so it'll be interesting to see how our coaches plan for this game. they earned a 4th seed and so the height thing doesn't seem to have been a big issue for them this past regular season