ND Women’s Basketball 2021-2022

[dad4aa]

We also had a TO and three missed shots in the lane in the last 30 seconds.

 

[stpeteirish]

We also had a TO and three missed shots in the lane in the last 30 seconds.

and a steal and a basket just after the buzzer. bummer.

We lost to a team that really doesn't have near the talent as we do so its a bad loss IMO.

Plenty of chances to win.

 

[dad4aa]

Just like the football team. Bad weekend for ND sports.

 

[BabyIrish]

Coach Lawson went all in on stopping Dodson in the second half and it paid off. They pressured our guards to make it hard for an entry pass and then they denied Dodson. I would have liked to see Ivey use Dodson as bait and start getting her the ball at the top of the lane and work a little high low action within Westbeld. I think if we do that we probably win the game comfortably.

 

[stpeteirish]

Irish women with a big win over #2 NC ST tonight. Lead all the way but it got dicey at the end with NC St missing two 3's to tie in the final seconds. Nice to win one vs a very good team our girls played their butts off tonight.

 

[Ndaccountant]

What a week for the Ivey family.

 

[Irish#1]

Irish women with a big win over #2 NC ST tonight. Lead all the way but it got dicey at the end with NC St missing two 3's to tie in the final seconds. Nice to win one vs a very good team our girls played their butts off tonight.

Starting to find their groove.

 

[Irish#1]

What a week for the Ivey family.

Jaden is driving me nuts. He is so talented, but his own worst enemy. I think he'll go pro after this season. Wouldn't mind seeing the Pacers grab him.

 

[BabyIrish]

Irish pick up another victory over ACC 5th placed Virginia Tech. Those are two huge victories. Dodson was inconsistent in the first part of the season but since January she has been on a tear.

Miles looked spectacular last night. With her shooting percentage going up, she’s becoming a superstar. We’ve got two warm up games before we face off against GT and Louisville twice to end the season. Hoping we can get 2 out of 3 in those games.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Miles looked spectacular last night. With her shooting percentage going up, she’s becoming a superstar.

Agreed, she's starting to look for her own shot more and her already high confidence has gone up another level. She still makes a few questionable turnovers, but when she connects on a behind the back pass in transition like last night those turnovers are easier to accept. She's an exciting player for sure.

 

[stpeteirish]

Team is really starting to click. Only real issue with the starters is Westbeld who cannot hit a shot beyond two feet.

Bench is thin. They only had 7 s-ship players last night. Three are injured and it’s tough to get any info on when (if?) they’ll be back

 

[BabyIrish]

Prohaska is day to day with the eye injury she suffered against NC St. Nat Marshall is out for the year with some kind of muscle tear.

I can’t remember who the third injured person is.

Agreed on Miles with the turnovers. If she can continue to clean those up the sky is the limit.

Also agreed on Westbeld. It’s been a disappointing sophomore season for her at least on the offensive side of the ball. She doesn’t seem as comfortable playing high as she did playing low last year. Hopefully her and the coaching staff get it figured out because then you have a four headed monster with Miles, Dodson, Citron and her.

 

[BabyIrish]

20 minutes till tip-off! ND vs #3 Louisville. I have a feeling Louisville will be too physical for us but here’s hoping for another upset!

 

[BabyIrish]

Tough loss. We’re in trouble. We currently only have six healthy scholarship players. You can’t play good college basketball with that roster.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I taped the game; will watch it later. Impressions of a short period early in the second half: this team has more problems than just personnel numbers. Not knowing how to organize to face a full court press is a stunning coaching problem with age-old successful techniques employable. Can we imagine the defensive wizardess Muffet having problems facing something that simple (and with two guards that can handle on the floor and two catchable-handed bigs)? Some is bad wrong there.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Watched first half; will watch rest later. Girls played generally hard in that half, but lacking the "Zen Moment" that good shooting requires. Big deal was, obviously, when Dodson got called for her second foul. Neither of those fouls needed to be called. The alleged over-the-back was just Dodson being totally athletically superior to a stumbling opponent, for instance. Regardless, when she left the court the game went south fast, from 21-19 to 32-21 at halftime.

Mabrey was incredibly passive generally and scattered at the moment of pulling the trigger. Terrible game. Maybe the worst of her career --- zero points, o for 8 shooting. 5 turnovers, zero assists, and in these sorts of games I look at personal fouls --- just 1 foul --- often a measure of activity and engagement in the war. Anaya Peoples in contrast had four fouls and four assists. i.e. engaged. I'll say more FWIW after I watch the second half and not just read the final stat sheet for it.

 

[stpeteirish]

Peoples was awful too.And with 6 healthy players we’re screwed.
Peoples’ fouls were mostly dumbass charges.

 

[BabyIrish]

OMM, the only person who I thought had a good game was Citron. She played hard and was also effective at both ends of the court. Everyone else struggled in multiple aspects. Miles hadn’t seen on ball defense like this yet and she didn’t know how to handle it.

Dodson battled but was just ineffective most of the game. Couldn’t win battlers in the post, dropped lots of rebounds. Westbeld just looks off. They tried to establish her down low but didn’t work at all. As you said Mabrey was non existent. Peoples pretty much the same. Brunelle looked pretty good till the shoulder injury.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Sounds like Sam got good news. Revenge will be sweet in a few weeks.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I still haven't watched the whole game, but will blab my mouth a bit anyway.
1. Brunelle can be fine offensively. She really lacks anything like toughness defensively;
2. Miles, Mabrey, Citron, Westbeld all had instances of what an old WMU coach called "floating the rock." This is casually tossing soft passes with arcs on them --- the most interceptable (and undisciplined) passes one can make. These passes are signs of lack of intensity. Even wide open passes need to have as much zip as possible as long as they are within reason to be catchable.
3. Floating the Rock was just a talisman of this lack of intensity that I saw after the first quarter (when it was there.) The Maddy Westbeld out-of-bounds bonehead was another head shaker.
4. Miles is too much in her own head. She's generally superior to her opponent but appears to want to prove it rather than just play basketball. I don't know how you get her some humility, but she needs that now. She needs to look at the opponent as maybe not as good as she is, but pretty #$^# good nevertheless.
5. I'll take Dodson all day. Major effort all the time. Same thing (in a more girlish way) with Citron.
6. As to Roster numbers: our numbers sure aren't ideal, but Muffet often played an Iron Five with just a little bench help. She seemed to LIKE having a rotation with no more than seven, as if it gave her less substitution management distractions while she coached. When she played more it was foul-trouble-induced. But ... 6 is too few. Our best teams in my opinion were when we had 8 and Muffet could bench a couple of starters to field a line-up of defensive wildwomen at intervals, usually in the second half.

 

[laughingirish90]

I still haven't watched the whole game, but will blab my mouth a bit anyway.
1. Brunelle can be fine offensively. She really lacks anything like toughness defensively;
2. Miles, Mabrey, Citron, Westbeld all had instances of what an old WMU coach called "floating the rock." This is casually tossing soft passes with arcs on them --- the most interceptable (and undisciplined) passes one can make. These passes are signs of lack of intensity. Even wide open passes need to have as much zip as possible as long as they are within reason to be catchable.
3. Floating the Rock was just a talisman of this lack of intensity that I saw after the first quarter (when it was there.) The Maddy Westbeld out-of-bounds bonehead was another head shaker.
4. Miles is too much in her own head. She's generally superior to her opponent but appears to want to prove it rather than just play basketball. I don't know how you get her some humility, but she needs that now. She needs to look at the opponent as maybe not as good as she is, but pretty #$^# good nevertheless.
5. I'll take Dodson all day. Major effort all the time. Same thing (in a more girlish way) with Citron.
6. As to Roster numbers: our numbers sure aren't ideal, but Muffet often played an Iron Five with just a little bench help. She seemed to LIKE having a rotation with no more than seven, as if it gave her less substitution management distractions while she coached. When she played more it was foul-trouble-induced. But ... 6 is too few. Our best teams in my opinion were when we had 8 and Muffet could bench a couple of starters to field a line-up of defensive wildwomen at intervals, usually in the second half.

you didn't miss much as we were i believe 2 for 22 from 3 pt range or something like that. we missed a bunch of shots that should've gone in but didn't. can't have a very poor shooting day against a team as good as the cardinals. if Maya comes back next year then i could see this team being scary good if they improve on the turnovers and a couple of other small things

 

[BabyIrish]

I still haven't watched the whole game, but will blab my mouth a bit anyway.
1. Brunelle can be fine offensively. She really lacks anything like toughness defensively;
2. Miles, Mabrey, Citron, Westbeld all had instances of what an old WMU coach called "floating the rock." This is casually tossing soft passes with arcs on them --- the most interceptable (and undisciplined) passes one can make. These passes are signs of lack of intensity. Even wide open passes need to have as much zip as possible as long as they are within reason to be catchable.
3. Floating the Rock was just a talisman of this lack of intensity that I saw after the first quarter (when it was there.) The Maddy Westbeld out-of-bounds bonehead was another head shaker.
4. Miles is too much in her own head. She's generally superior to her opponent but appears to want to prove it rather than just play basketball. I don't know how you get her some humility, but she needs that now. She needs to look at the opponent as maybe not as good as she is, but pretty #$^# good nevertheless.
5. I'll take Dodson all day. Major effort all the time. Same thing (in a more girlish way) with Citron.
6. As to Roster numbers: our numbers sure aren't ideal, but Muffet often played an Iron Five with just a little bench help. She seemed to LIKE having a rotation with no more than seven, as if it gave her less substitution management distractions while she coached. When she played more it was foul-trouble-induced. But ... 6 is too few. Our best teams in my opinion were when we had 8 and Muffet could bench a couple of starters to field a line-up of defensive wildwomen at intervals, usually in the second half.

1. While this may be the case with Brunelle, she at least looked competent in the post. She posted up with physicality and scored pretty easily which was a far cry from what Westbeld showed. Which is a shame because I really like Westbeld.

2. We were fine in the first quarter with intensity but when Dodson went out and Brunelle injured, we lost that mental focus and it spiraled for sure.

4. Agree so much with Miles. She’s trying way too hard to be this spectacular PG. She doesn’t need to have no look passes every time. That comes once in a while. Just stay within the system and play ball.

6. True that Muffet played with a short roster and even won the championship doing so. But that was also with an old experienced team. We are not. We are young and inexperienced. And show is our head coach. We need Prohaska and Brunelle back asap.

 

[BabyIrish]

Great win in overtime yesterday over a pretty good Georgia Tech team. The win almost guarantees a top 4 seed with a double in the ACC tourney. I didn’t get to watch only listen because of work but it sounded like everyone contributed this time around. Brunelle isn’t close to a 100% but she’s gutting it out. Kudos to her. Worried about Prohaska. To be out this long with an eye injury can’t be good. Hope she’s okay.

 

[stpeteirish]

DaraMabrey and Prentiss Hubb seem to be traveling in parallel universes playing bad and then single-handedly winning games in OT

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[Irish#1]

Ladies got the Clemson monkey off their back and secured a double bye for the ACC tournament with the win. Citron had 23 points and 13 rebounds.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Still not getting to watch games (no such channels on my reduced selection array) but from what I can read, the girls are becoming more and more formidable. What I wanted to mention however was that with Dodson returning, they could be a real contender next year. Dodson is a warrior and will be a "woman among girls" most games next year. Citron is becoming a special player. I believe that Miles will turn the corner on in-game maturity and rarely make the oh-so-cool ego errors, and become an All-American. The keys are two:

1. Maddy Westbeld has to look at herself seriously over the off-season and decide whether she wants to be a pro player or not. Her play has slid this year and it's not just Dodson's low-post presence. She has played huge stretches of games almost passively, and I believe her not to be in great BBall shape. Overall, the team needs to get Maddy fired up plus three high function other players to go with these outstanding four.

2. We need at least one shooter who will also play defense, one "second" point guard, and one seriously able "big" if the team is to contend. I do not believe that Brunelle is any of these because of her physical lack-of-strength under the boards, and the apparent fact that her past coaching has never demanded that she "get physical" , especially defensively, with people on the court. Maybe she'll grow up from a girl to a woman by next year but she needs to hit the weight room hard.

All that said, I don't see many teams who can point to four returning starters as good as these four.

 

[BabyIrish]

Still not getting to watch games (no such channels on my reduced selection array) but from what I can read, the girls are becoming more and more formidable. What I wanted to mention however was that with Dodson returning, they could be a real contender next year. Dodson is a warrior and will be a "woman among girls" most games next year. Citron is becoming a special player. I believe that Miles will turn the corner on in-game maturity and rarely make the oh-so-cool ego errors, and become an All-American. The keys are two:

1. Maddy Westbeld has to look at herself seriously over the off-season and decide whether she wants to be a pro player or not. Her play has slid this year and it's not just Dodson's low-post presence. She has played huge stretches of games almost passively, and I believe her not to be in great BBall shape. Overall, the team needs to get Maddy fired up plus three high function other players to go with these outstanding four.

2. We need at least one shooter who will also play defense, one "second" point guard, and one seriously able "big" if the team is to contend. I do not believe that Brunelle is any of these because of her physical lack-of-strength under the boards, and the apparent fact that her past coaching has never demanded that she "get physical" , especially defensively, with people on the court. Maybe she'll grow up from a girl to a woman by next year but she needs to hit the weight room hard.

All that said, I don't see many teams who can point to four returning starters as good as these four.

Citron is my favorite player. She does everything so well. Because Miles is so flashy (nothing wrong with that) Citron is probably going to be overlooked a lot. But it’s a shame because of how talented she is. She grinds on the defensive end. She grinds for rebounds. She’s sneaky quick and can get to the bucket pretty regularly. And her long range shot has been falling for the past month.

As you said Mike we’re probably a year away from really being a contender but this team continues to make great strides.

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[MacIrish75]

What. The. Fuck.