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[Irish#1]

Mind sharing where you saw this? I'd be shocked. Not only is it a terrible deal (assuming it's not a sign-and-trade), but they've even reported here that Ainge isn't willing to deal anything of note for one season of George.

One of my sons sent it to me via text. Not sure if it came from the NBA site, but the text has the logo and title "Latest NBA rumors. Trade, free agency and coaching rumors.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah it makes no sense for both parties. The Pacers would want much more than that for George, but Ainge isn't trading for PG without assurances that he'd sign long-term.

Since George opened his big mouth, he's pretty much killed any leverage the Pacers may have in making a decent trade. Even without players, getting Boston's top pick would be a great deal at this point for the Pacers.

 

[koonja]

The Celtics are up to something. Ainge is up to something. No info.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Since George opened his big mouth, he's pretty much killed any leverage the Pacers may have in making a decent trade. Even without players, getting Boston's top pick would be a great deal at this point for the Pacers.

I missed the pick swap. That's as good of a deal that the Pacers could get unless George leaks that he'd stay in Boston. However, it's not a good move for Ainge and the Celtics, because if PG doesn't want to stay, they just gave up good assets for a 1 year rental. And I highly doubt that George will push the Celtics over the top.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If the Cavs get PG, the East couldn't be more lopsided. They'd literally have the 3 best players in the conference.

Wrong.

Giannis, baby!

 

[koonja]

Wrong.

Giannis, baby!

His shot looks like a broken car trying to go uphill. He'll be so easy to defend in the playoffs against teams who game plan for him.

 

[koonja]

If I'm the Cavs, I work something out to trade Irving and Love for PG13 and Jimmy Butler. That's 2 major defensive upgrades, and you're not sacrificing offense at all. They could make that happen I bet.

 

[woolybug25]

If I'm the Cavs, I work something out to trade Irving and Love for PG13 and Jimmy Butler. That's 2 major defensive upgrades, and you're not sacrificing offense at all. They could make that happen I bet.

You always seem to jump to conclusions.

Irving is one of the best point guards in the NBA. I get the knock on his defense, but he is a pure scorer. I disagree that his offense wouldn't be missed in that scenario.

Don't get me wrong either, I'm a Bulls fan and love me some Jimmy Butler.

 

[koonja]

You always seem to jump to conclusions.

Irving is one of the best point guards in the NBA. I get the knock on his defense, but he is a pure scorer. I disagree that his offense wouldn't be missed in that scenario.

Don't get me wrong either, I'm a Bulls fan and love me some Jimmy Butler.

Agree, I love Irving. Butler is also one of, if not the best SG's in the NBA. And he can score too, but is loads better defensively and would be a great person to have against the Warriors to avoid disadvantages in pick and roll/switches. Irving also needs the ball in his hands to be part of the offense. Butler doesn't. He's also a better rebounder.

PG13 is better than Love, no explanation needed.

If I'm starting a team from scratch, I take Irving over Butler. If I'm trying to win next year for the Cavs, I'd take Butler. They need more perimeter defense to take down GSW.

 

[NDRock]

Agree, I love Irving. Butler is also one of, if not the best SG's in the NBA. And he can score too, but is loads better defensively and would be a great person to have against the Warriors to avoid disadvantages in pick and roll/switches. Irving also needs the ball in his hands to be part of the offense. Butler doesn't. He's also a better rebounder.

PG13 is better than Love, no explanation needed.

If I'm starting a team from scratch, I take Irving over Butler. If I'm trying to win next year for the Cavs, I'd take Butler. They need more perimeter defense to take down GSW.

Irving has shown the ability to play his best on the biggest stage. I'm not trading him for Butler or PG. Love on the other hand, is expendable.

 

[pumpdog20]

Anyone who thinks adding PG wouldn't give them a chance against GW is high.

You're high if you think just trading Love for George is the answer.

Now to your dream scenario of adding Butler and George over Irving/Love, you have winner there. Have Butler run the point, and you got a team that can compete with Golden State.

 

[koonja]

You're high if you think just trading Love for George is the answer.

Now to your dream scenario of adding Butler and George over Irving/Love, you have winner there. Have Butler run the point, and you got a team that can compete with Golden State.

Do you realize how much better they'd be on defense? That's two 6'9" athletes on the wing, and able to switch on any position, 1-5. And PG is better offensively, too.

Have Lebron run the point like he basically already does.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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His shot looks like a broken car trying to go uphill. He'll be so easy to defend in the playoffs against teams who game plan for him.

ABC has been in one playoff series and completely tore the Raptors apart.

As for Irving, his purpose is to pace (or outscore) the other team when Lebron is on the bench. PG and Butler can't do that to the same level.

 

[koonja]

He has been in one playoff series and completely tore the Raptors apart.

The first two rounds of the Eastern conference playoffs don't count. I'm talking a true playoff series with two teams that matter. I should have clarified this from the get go, my bad.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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The first two rounds of the Eastern conference playoffs don't count. I'm talking a true playoff series with two teams that matter. I should have clarified this from the get go, my bad.

Well it will be awhile until you see him in one of those, and to be fair, Toronto was 8th in the league in OPPG.

 

[ND NYC]

The Celtics are up to something. Ainge is up to something. No info.

agree

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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agree

They need to make a splash with established guys. If they turn all these picks into a bunch of Jaylen Brown's, Ainge is still the idiot who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Quit overthinking everything to be cute.

Their first round draft picks have been steaming poop for the last decade, minus Avery Bradley. To put it in perspective: they haven't drafted a guy who made an all-star team in almost 20 years, and that guy didn't make it as a C (Joe Johnson).

 

[ND NYC]

does Cleveland have any interest in Carmelo for a year?

 

[NDRock]

They need to make a splash with established guys. If they turn all these picks into a bunch of Jaylen Brown's, Ainge is still the idiot who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Quit overthinking everything to be cute.

Their first round draft picks have been steaming poop for the last decade, minus Avery Bradley. To put it in perspective: they haven't drafted a guy who made an all-star team in almost 20 years, and that guy didn't make it as a C (Joe Johnson).

Paul Pierce?

Ainge hasn't been horrible. Has had some hits as well as misses.

 

[koonja]

Paul Pierce?

He was drafted in 1998. IrishSteelhead said 'almost 20 years'.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

does Cleveland have any interest in Carmelo for a year?

Not if they plan on winning. He has completely fallen off a cliff. This season was brutal for him.

 

[NDohio]

does Cleveland have any interest in Carmelo for a year?

That would be a disaster. The last thing their offense needs is for it to come to a complete stop once Melo gets the ball.

 

[zelezo vlk]

They need to make a splash with established guys. If they turn all these picks into a bunch of Jaylen Brown's, Ainge is still the idiot who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Quit overthinking everything to be cute.

Their first round draft picks have been steaming poop for the last decade, minus Avery Bradley. To put it in perspective: they haven't drafted a guy who made an all-star team in almost 20 years, and that guy didn't make it as a C (Joe Johnson).

Well, Rondo too. That's about it though.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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Well, Rondo too. That's about it though.

Phoenix drafted him, but was traded immediately. I'll allow it.

 

[Irish#1]

Anyone who would take Anthony is crazy.

 

[NDRock]

He was drafted in 1998. IrishSteelhead said 'almost 20 years'.

Followed by "and that guy didn't make it as a C (Joe Johnson)" Indicating, at least to me, he was speaking about Johnson, not Pierce. Hence, my post.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Lakers are trying to offer the 27th, 28th pick and Julius Randle and or Jordan Clarkson for PG. Pacers better tell them to go pound sand.

 

[Irish#1]

Lakers are trying to offer the 27th, 28th pick and Julius Randle and or Jordan Clarkson for PG. Pacers better tell them to go pound sand.

From what I'm hearing, the Lakers may be getting a little nervous and may make a traded instead of waiting to get him next year. They're afraid he may land some place else and decides he likes it. Hearing Clippers are getting involved which may be why Lakers getting nervous.

 

[woolybug25]

Lakers are trying to offer the 27th, 28th pick and Julius Randle and or Jordan Clarkson for PG. Pacers better tell them to go pound sand.

That's actually a really good offer for a guy that claims to be coming there in a year anyway.

I get the "Clippers are in LA too" argument. But they aren't the Lakers and never will be. Being the big man in a lakers uniform is like being the cleanup batter for the Yankees. You know you've made it when you are a star in LaLa Land.

 

[zelezo vlk]

That's actually a really good offer for a guy that claims to be coming there in a year anyway.

I get the "Clippers are in LA too" argument. But they aren't the Lakers and never will be. Being the big man in a lakers uniform is like being the cleanup batter for the Yankees. You know you've made it when you are a star in LaLa Land.

I'm not sure the Clippers can even afford PG unless they trade Deandre and/or let Blake walk, right? That plus Chris Paul is most likely signing a massive extension with the team that will be an anchor dragging the Clippers down into the depths of NBA mediocrity, just as they deserve.